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#1 Mar 14 2009 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
So a guy in my linkshell who is very well geared and always does incredible damage on weaponskills (Steel Cyclone, King's Justice) has recently been sporting a Martial Bhuj full time. Previously he has been using Byakko's Axe as long as I can remember.

I've been using Byakko's since I got it some months ago. We were gathering for Einherjar last night and another guy in the shell who plays SAM and DRG and WAR (with incredible gear himself) asked me if I had one.

I told him that as far as I knew, it wasn't one of the top G Axes to have (Relic > Perdu > Byakko's?), and I asked what would be so special about it. He said that it was basically like a Hagun for Warriors based on the weaponskill properties.

What are your thoughts regarding a full time Martial Bhuj?
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#2 Mar 14 2009 at 8:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Im pretty sure it's been shown many times that the DoT of the other GA's will be better than the increased WS damage from martial. The only time I could see using this is if you are only trying to make skillchains with Steel Cyclone or if you are contributing with hate control and using SATA Steel Cyclone. Now I guess I am saying this without much application as I dont own a martial bhuj and the events I do (einherjar, nyzul, salvage) I usually go either /nin or /sam and can provide good DoT. But if I did own a martial, I would only use it if I were going /thf to do better with SATA SC.
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#3 Mar 14 2009 at 9:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Chialing wrote:
He said that it was basically like a Hagun for Warriors based on the weaponskill properties.

Hagun works for Samurai because a much more significant portion of their DoT comes from weapon skills than for Warrior. Most of our DoT comes from just slappin' mobs around.

Chialing wrote:
What are your thoughts regarding a full time Martial Bhuj?

Sh*t is situational. /thf is the best use for M. Bhuj that I personally know of.

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Edited, Mar 14th 2009 1:10pm by clatuu
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#4 Mar 14 2009 at 10:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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You get better damage out of a perdu voulge, and I this is the 3rd thread I can think of where this came up and I responded, but I don't know where they are right now. Basically, best case scenario, m.bhuj WS damage gets very close to perdu voulge damage, and then perdu DoT destroys it. Worst case scenario, perdu WSs harder from sheer base damage (and attack/acc).

clatuu wrote:
Chialing wrote:
He said that it was basically like a Hagun for Warriors based on the weaponskill properties.

Hagun works for Samurai because a much more significant portion of their DoT comes from weapon skills than for Warrior. Most of our DoT comes from just slappin' mobs around.
Well, sorta, a g.axe WAR gets a fairly even split between melee and WS damage, maybe 55% melee 45% WS or something like that. Dual Wielding is where you start to see a really highly DoT weighted split, more like 70/30. True that SAM is more 40% melee 60% WS, but the real deal breaker is that TP bonus does far more for Y/G/K than it does for King's Justice or Steel Cyclone or Raging Rush.



Edited, Mar 14th 2009 1:26pm by bsphil
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#5 Mar 14 2009 at 10:24 AM Rating: Excellent
I wanted to search for such a thread, believe me, but I don't have premium. :)

I'll just stick with Byakko's until I get Perdu.
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#6 Mar 14 2009 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
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That is your best bet.
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#7 Mar 14 2009 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Martial is an upgrade from Byakko's, but not the ultimate choice to stay with.
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#8 Mar 14 2009 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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lolgaxe wrote:
Martial is an upgrade from Byakko's, but not the ultimate choice to stay with.
I have my doubts, but more importantly, it's an expensive piece and byakko's is really easy to come by.
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#9 Mar 14 2009 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
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Martial is an upgrade from Byakko's, but not the ultimate choice to stay with.
I have my doubts, but more importantly, it's an expensive piece and byakko's is really easy to come by.
Well, yeah the ease of acquisition and how minute an upgrade it is is more than reason enough to not overlook Byakko's. Also, Martial isn't where you want to be at the end. Perdu is where you want to end with, which is also another reason to really skip Martial. But it's not like Martial is somehow wrong to have, either. That honor belongs to Juggernaut. Smiley: laugh

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#10 Mar 14 2009 at 4:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
You get better damage out of a perdu voulge, and I this is the 3rd thread I can think of where this came up and I responded, but I don't know where they are right now. Basically, best case scenario, m.bhuj WS damage gets very close to perdu voulge damage, and then perdu DoT destroys it. Worst case scenario, perdu WSs harder from sheer base damage (and attack/acc).

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Chialing wrote:
He said that it was basically like a Hagun for Warriors based on the weaponskill properties.

Hagun works for Samurai because a much more significant portion of their DoT comes from weapon skills than for Warrior. Most of our DoT comes from just slappin' mobs around.
Well, sorta, a g.axe WAR gets a fairly even split between melee and WS damage, maybe 55% melee 45% WS or something like that. Dual Wielding is where you start to see a really highly DoT weighted split, more like 70/30. True that SAM is more 40% melee 60% WS, but the real deal breaker is that TP bonus does far more for Y/G/K than it does for King's Justice or Steel Cyclone or Raging Rush.



Edited, Mar 14th 2009 1:26pm by bsphil


This. It's just more that the damage from our WS don't come as much from the SC mods as Sam. Also, our split ispretty even. As bsphil said for /nin, and for /Sam its probably closer to 50/50.
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#11 Mar 16 2009 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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I have one and alternate between a Byakko's and it, depending on the situation. Both are great. However, unless you're really built around it, the standard WAR builds for RR and Byakko/Perdu will perform much better.

There is one possible situation where the Martial Bhuj will outperform both the Byakko's and the Perdu's and that's a party where you can consistently and swiftly perform Darkness.

I don't have the parse anymore but it did beat out my Byakko's some, just don't recall how much. It was a party with a MNK where he and I were almost even in TP gain for the entire duration. So we'd be performing Asuran -> Steel Cyclone rapidly from mob to mob with solid unresisted rates.

It's a tough situation to find though because you'd not only have to have a MNK (or someone to open for you) but someone that has roughly equivalent or much faster TP gain.

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 6:24pm by Shouta
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