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Fulltime?

For TP the torque is great, but for WS the respective gorget for the weaponskill you're using will undoubtedly do more in terms of accuracy and damage output.

What should I replace them with (no relic or Heca)? Spiked Finger Gauntlets?

Personally I would swap out your Snipers ring for Rajas and just full time that because that 5 store TP when /nin will make your GA a 7 hit instead of an 8 hit. and if you swap out Ulthamam's with ecphoria while /sam you can get a 6 hit setup.

Or you could always eat carbonara but that can get expensive.

Yes.

Did you pick a ring other than Raja's? Otherwise with that and Brutal with /Sam you have a 6 hit build (no need for ecophoria). For hands go with Tarasque +1, Spiked Finger Gauntlets, Fighter's Mufflers (yes these are acceptable), or Fighter's Mufflers +1.

I just got this piece, swear by it for TP, but still WS in gorget, havent done any parse to backup why yet tho.

appropriate gorget will always beat torque for WS. +.1 fTP on first hit > 7ATT on all hits, plus gorget has 3-4 more ACC on all hits.

PCC vs torque, chances are torque wins with aggressor up, PCC wins with aggressor down.

since you have 292 skill w/o torque, 299 skill w/ torque, torque gives you 7ACC (and 7ATT). so, the comparison (PCC vs torque) is 3ACC vs 7ATT.

at 80%ACC, 3ACC is a 1.87% increase. at 93.5%ACC, it's a 1.6% increase. starting at 550ATT (lowish) vs a lv82 g.colibri, 7ATT is a 1.65% increase in damage. it will be a lower increase vs lv81, or starting from a higher ATT.

so, PCC should slightly edge out fortitude torque if you're below 92.5% ACC. however, you run the risk of squandering some ACC with aggressor up if you have an ACC heavy setup and don't bother learning the EVA of various mobs and your total ACC.

one way or the other, fort torque and PCC are very close, if not virtually identical, damage-wise. myself, i would wear fort torque in an attempt to avoid making an "aggressor up/aggressor down" equip swap.

Thanks. That's exactly what I was looking for.

And thanks for the responses everyone, great advice. I went with the SFG on my WS hands since I can use it for level cap situations. I didn't realize that a Rajas was all that was needed for a 7-hit build so I'm definitely going to switch out my Sniper's and use the Rajas full time.

OP, what's your STR and DEX? (after STR merits)



Between mobs, sure, Orochi. =)

Idk if you cap acc in Nyzul, though my guess would be yes, at least with g.axe.

i'm sincerely hoping you know that DEX does not add damage to /THF sneak attack; ;.

also, in case anyone's wondering, sneak attack has no effect at all on the % increase in damage you get from gorget. the WS damage equation looks like this:

(WD + fSTR + WSC) * fTP * pDIF = weapon skill damage (the actual damage you do to a mob with a WS)

WD is your weapon damage, as seen in the description on your weapon when looked at in the item menu or whatever.

fSTR is a function from your STR and mob VIT. when high (and it's usually high), fSTR is (STR - VIT + 4)/4 (with any decimals cut off). fSTR has a cap that's determined by weapon rank. weapon rank is the number on your weapon divided by 9. so for example, byakko's axe is rank 10 (94/9= 10.444, so 10). the upper cap of fSTR is weapon rank + 8 (so 18 for byakko's axe) and the lower cap is negative weapon rank (-8 for byakko's axe). the only people that commonly cap fSTR vs merit mobs or above are MNKs or THFs stacking STR on WS (possibly NINs and axe-or-sword WARs), and occasionally during TP, or SAM on WS because they overload on STR.

WSC is "mods". an X% mod multiplies the relevant stat by X%, then multiplies it again by a level correction (.83 for level 75 players). say a WS has a 75% STR mod. the equation looks like (STR*.75)*.83. this number is floored at each step, meaning the decimals are chopped off. for example 130 STR, 75% STR mod looks like this:

floor(floor(130*.75)*.83) =
floor(floor(97.5)*.83) =
floor(97 * .83) =
floor(80.51) =
80

fTP is a multiplier that varies from WS to WS, and sometimes varies with TP. since it is universally more damage efficient to WS at 100%TP than later, people generally take note only of the fTP of a WS at 100%TP (or at 200%TP if you use a martial weapon such as hagun). king's justice, for example, has an fTP of 1.0 at 100%TP, 1.25 at 200%, and 1.5 at 300%. fTP doesn't have tiers; it increases linearly. so, with king's justice, a WS at 150% TP has fTP = 1.125. fTP applies only to the first hit of a WS, and is the part that gets affected by sea gorgets.

pDIF is a function from your ATT and mob DEF, that is corrected for how many levels above you the mob is. pDIF is a random number a little bit above cRatio, which is:

yourATT/mobDEF - .05*how many levels above you the mob is = cRatio

pDIF is what gets increased by a critical hit. for 1h weapons, pDIF ranges from 0-2.45~, and for 2h weapons it ranges from 0-2.7~ (forget exact cap, if it has even ever been discovered). a critical hit adds 1 to pDIF, and raises the cap to 3.15 (though see **note** if you care about a squabbling detail). /THF sneak attack just forces a normal critical hit. therefore, the only things affecting the goodness of sneak attack are how much ATT you have and the level and DEF of your target.

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so, the only thing that influences the % increase your WS yields from a sea gorget is the fTP of your WS (and how many hits there are in the WS). for example, asuran fists has fTP=1.0, so a gorget raises the damage of the first hit by 10%. on a fully connected (8 hit) asuran fists, that's (1.1 + 1*7 = 8.1) a 1.25% increase. so, in a capped ACC situation, an ATT or STR neck option would need to increase damage a bit more than 1.25% to beat gorget.

rampage is interesting, in that its fTP (which again applies only to the first hit) is actually lower than 1, so it especially likes sea gorgets. the first hit of rampage has fTP = .5, so adding .1 fTP is actually a 20% increase in damage (very large). guillotine is in a similar boat.

anyway, while the value of ATT and STR and other things might change in different situations (different mobs, different buffs), the only thing that changes the value of a sea gorget, in terms of the damage it adds besides for the ACC, is which WS you use and (sometimes) how much TP you have.





**note** in actuality, 1h pDIF probably ranges from 0-2.4, and crit pDIF cap for both 1h and 2h is probably 3.0. the reason we see damage indicating a pDIF of 2.45 or 3.15 is that there is a random modifier to all damage that ranges from 1.0 to 1.05. note, 3.0*1.05 = 3.15. this is basically trivial; since we generally use cRatio as "average pDIF", we project a slightly lower damage than you'll actually get, but we don't overestimate or underestimate the impact of ATT (or anything else).

eg, say we suppose your dmg/hit is going to be (94 + 10) * 1.5 = 156. if the random modifier averages 1.025, your actual dmg/hit would be 159.9 (2.5% more than base dmg * pDIF), but so what? it's still all multiplication so:

base dmg*10% * pDIF * RANDOM =

base dmg * pDIF*10% * RANDOM =

base dmg * pDIF * RANDOM*10%

"RANDOM" makes no difference at all to theorycrafting, especially considering it is applied equally to melee as it is to WS.

because of how pDIF used to work, you would see hills at certain numbers (1.0 pDIF) if you graphed out dmg/each hit. now you get the same thing, but if you were to add in the 1.0-1.05 random mod.

i suspect they added it in to obscure pDIF, since they saw that we had figured it out. and, it worked for the most part.

Yeah I love spellcast. I often idle in Orochi Nodowa, Barone Corazza, and a Sol Cap. I get some strange looks for it lol.

I'm interested in how your XML works in the torque/pca when applicable, would you mind PMing it to me, or a link to it?

I'd use Love Torque with dagger or polearm on Warrior, if I had it. I'd also have to probably stay awake during a JoL fight to lot if it were ever free lot ...

Pretty sure PCC and Love Torque have equal acc for polearm. :P