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#52 Mar 05 2009 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
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Also, milich, with that parse, 75% acc is abysmal for a warrior. Honestly, I'm not the type to tell fellow wars "you ***, ditch axes!" But I die a little inside when newbier 75 WARs are using axe/axe since I know, most of the time, they'd be performing so much better with a great axe. Most I party with end up feeling so owned by my g.axe that they make apologies for not using g.axe, "sorry it's not skilled lol".

The best argument for g.axe is that when your war isn't sufficiently pimped out yet the gap between axe/axe and g.axe is much much larger IMO. If someone's equipment/merits are more fleshed out, the speed advantage of axe/axe starts making up for the lower accuracy and attack it has. If you're at the newer stage where g.axe outperforms axe by a wider margin then, I'm sorry, "Whateva, I do what I want, I just wanna have fun" doesn't cut it for me as an excuse.
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#53 Mar 05 2009 at 7:36 PM Rating: Default
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Is it really that much more "fun" to DW for some people than use a 2h?


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Sometimes... YES! I actually prefer DW man/joy working on man/ridill. However if a party asks me to switch to G. Axe..I certainly will, but I enjoy playing DW more. No one has ever had a fit about me dual wielding instead of g. axe. I am going to have to agree with most of the people here... it's your dime do what you want. That being said it's the other guys dime too...if he boots your *** then don't cry.



Well allrighty then lol. To each their own, to each their own...


edit: bah, didn't realize there was another post in between there...added quotes so people know what the **** i am referring to.

Edited, Mar 5th 2009 10:39pm by itsjustme
#54 Mar 06 2009 at 3:23 AM Rating: Good
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#55 Mar 06 2009 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't think you understand the vague advice given in this thread milich; use whatever weapon you think looks best. Although Mazmaz's post wasn't very good, he (and I) is not taking that piece of advice out of context or making any leaps in reasoning. What if someone in your party thinks clubs looks best and uses them? It doesn't fall out of the advice given, you even defend it too, but I'm sure you would tell them to use something else. If you do, then the advice is obviously flawed.

WAR is versatile in weapons and equipment
WARs' can use clubs
John is a WAR
Use whatever looks best
John likes clubs the most
C: John should use clubs.

I know clubs are the extreme case that doesn't happen often, but you have to evaluate what's been said everywhere.


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#56 Mar 06 2009 at 9:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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i know what you're saying, but if you think the damage hit from using axe/axe is anywhere near the damage hit of club/club, you're way, way, way off.

also, notice that NO ONE is saying, "want to do the most damage you can? well WE SAY AXES ARE FUN, so make sure you USE AXES every so often!" they're saying, "like axes? well, if you do it right, you can have fun with spampage and pseudo-monk DoT and do about as much damage as you would have with great axe."

there's probably some details being glossed over, like merits. does it make sense to not cap DA because you expect to use joytoy and/or ridill? maybe... what do you use WAR for anyway? if you use it everywhere, and if tailoring your merits toward axe-or-sword and away from GA is going to gimp you in endgame events, maybe you should rethink it. but there's lots of possibilities. i think it's silly to merit archery for your SAM, but some people love SAM/RNG (and it does have its uses for kited fights and some stuff in sea). if they have the merits available, why not?

anyway, it may not be apparent to you how it could "feel different" to play as an axe warrior than to play as a GA warrior. if i ever finish WAR (had plans to, but will probably lolPUP and RNG first), i can all but guarantee that i'll be GA only. but still, i can understand liking two different playstyles and still look down on wearing armor because it looks cool.

also, of course, if you're straining for absolute maximizing in your merit parties, you can always kick axe/axe WARs from your party. i wouldn't, but that's your right obviously.

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What if a MNK decided Jujitsu Gi looks pimp and wore it to 75?
To be fair, it does look pretty nice. Smiley: sly


I'm going to have to agree with this ...
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TrotterOfSylph wrote:
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What if a MNK decided Jujitsu Gi looks pimp and wore it to 75?
To be fair, it does look pretty nice. Smiley: sly


I'm going to have to agree with this ...


i've always liked the look of shura togi. if/when i finally get usukane, i'm going to be pretty sad. if i somehow happened across hachiryu haramaki (not gonna happen), i'd be forced to make my first .dat swap. normal MNK gear + recolored saotome domaru = /vomit.
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that's very clever, you should be very proud of yourself mazmaz!

should i have SS'd the chain 100 from my party earlier today, which featured a spampage WAR, 2 poorly geared DRGs, and a GA WAR? the one in which we only ever came close to losing chain due to mobs repopping too slowly? i didn't SS because i thought everyone already knew that any gimp can infinite chain gcolibri, but in hindsight i really wish i had; i want to be clever too.
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#61 Mar 07 2009 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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What Milich said.
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#62 Mar 08 2009 at 6:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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milich wrote:
i thought everyone already knew that any gimp can infinite chain gcolibri,
Nah, you have to be pimp and awesome to do that. Kind of like infinite chaining off Imps.
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#63 Mar 09 2009 at 3:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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milich wrote:
i thought everyone already knew that any gimp can infinite chain gcolibri,
Nah, you have to be pimp and awesome to do that. Kind of like infinite chaining off Imps.
woah, woah, woah... People infinite chain imps???
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milich wrote:
i thought everyone already knew that any gimp can infinite chain gcolibri,
Nah, you have to be pimp and awesome to do that. Kind of like infinite chaining off Imps.
woah, woah, woah... People infinite chain imps???


and here i thought my group was bad *** for getting chain 12 on sky weapons...

Edited, Mar 9th 2009 5:57am by TaterzZ
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#65 Mar 09 2009 at 5:25 AM Rating: Good
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milich wrote:
i thought everyone already knew that any gimp can infinite chain gcolibri,
Nah, you have to be pimp and awesome to do that. Kind of like infinite chaining off Imps.
woah, woah, woah... People infinite chain imps???
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#66 Mar 09 2009 at 5:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Grandmother MojoVIII wrote:
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i thought everyone already knew that any gimp can infinite chain gcolibri,
Nah, you have to be pimp and awesome to do that. Kind of like infinite chaining off Imps.
woah, woah, woah... People infinite chain imps???
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#67 Mar 09 2009 at 5:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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and here i thought my group was bad *** for getting chain 12 on sky weapons...
The thing with sky weapons was that you could get infinite chain, but you had to have a very specific kill speed to do it due to the long respawn times. If you killed too fast and you ran out of mobs, and obviously if you killed too slow the chain ended. I think the best I've ever seen personally was 27 just because we cleared out both areas.
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The thing with sky weapons was that you could get infinite chain, but you had to have a very specific kill speed to do it due to the long respawn times. If you killed too fast and you ran out of mobs, and obviously if you killed too slow the chain ended. I think the best I've ever seen personally was 27 just because we cleared out both areas.


my post was a joke, i've personally pulled in a chain 90 something with an old shell i was in. they had no problem following my directions (move this direction after death) and lined up the kills to maximize movement time in sync with the chain speed. since i've never partied there again, i don't think i'll be able to try something like that ever again.

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The thing with sky weapons was that you could get infinite chain, but you had to have a very specific kill speed to do it due to the long respawn times. If you killed too fast and you ran out of mobs, and obviously if you killed too slow the chain ended. I think the best I've ever seen personally was 27 just because we cleared out both areas.


my post was a joke, i've personally pulled in a chain 90 something with an old shell i was in. they had no problem following my directions (move this direction after death) and lined up the kills to maximize movement time in sync with the chain speed. since i've never partied there again, i don't think i'll be able to try something like that ever again.

most fun in a merit party on bard i've ever had.


were you an infinite chain KRT BRD puller too? i miss BRDs like that.
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Mazzzzzz, I can't see who said they were going to pee! Change your Recast X/Y position to be at the right side of your chatlog, just to the left of the PT lineup.
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my post was a joke, i've personally pulled in a chain 90 something with an old shell i was in.
We always killed too fast. Smiley: crymore
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Mazzzzzz, I can't see who said they were going to pee! Change your Recast X/Y position to be at the right side of your chatlog, just to the left of the PT lineup.


I dunno what the X and Y positions are supposed to be for that. Do you know them?
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#73 Mar 10 2009 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Mazzzzzz, I can't see who said they were going to pee! Change your Recast X/Y position to be at the right side of your chatlog, just to the left of the PT lineup.


I dunno what the X and Y positions are supposed to be for that. Do you know them?
Ditto, that's the thing that annoys me the most by far about windower.
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Mazzzzzz, I can't see who said they were going to pee! Change your Recast X/Y position to be at the right side of your chatlog, just to the left of the PT lineup.


I dunno what the X and Y positions are supposed to be for that. Do you know them?
Ditto, that's the thing that annoys me the most by far about windower.


My monitor's widescreen, so it may be different for ya, but mine are X=1200.0
Y=910.0.

I had to mess around with it, changing the dimensions and then loading/unloading Recast until I got it where I wanted. It's a huge pain in the *** but it's so worth it having it in an out of the way place.
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#75 Mar 10 2009 at 8:11 PM Rating: Good
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Mazzzzzz, I can't see who said they were going to pee! Change your Recast X/Y position to be at the right side of your chatlog, just to the left of the PT lineup.


I dunno what the X and Y positions are supposed to be for that. Do you know them?
Ditto, that's the thing that annoys me the most by far about windower.


My monitor's widescreen, so it may be different for ya, but mine are X=1200.0
Y=910.0.

I had to mess around with it, changing the dimensions and then loading/unloading Recast until I got it where I wanted. It's a huge pain in the *** but it's so worth it having it in an out of the way place.
Yeah, if I can work this out it will be a godsend...
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Mazzzzzz, I can't see who said they were going to pee! Change your Recast X/Y position to be at the right side of your chatlog, just to the left of the PT lineup.


I dunno what the X and Y positions are supposed to be for that. Do you know them?
Ditto, that's the thing that annoys me the most by far about windower.


My monitor's widescreen, so it may be different for ya, but mine are X=1200.0
Y=910.0.

I had to mess around with it, changing the dimensions and then loading/unloading Recast until I got it where I wanted. It's a huge pain in the *** but it's so worth it having it in an out of the way place.
Yeah, if I can work this out it will be a godsend...
I just did it through Trial and Error. Works out well.
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#77 Mar 23 2009 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
I'm not completely against DW'ing axes, but I certainly have a preference personally for a GAxe. As a footnote, I also have GAxe merits capped and only a couple into Axes, and that makes a difference.

I recently sold my Maneater because I realized I haven't used it in about a year. I kept my Woodville's b/c it's the cheaper of those two axes and I want the option to DW with the Joyeuse I got for my RDM when I feel like it. I can't say I've missed the Maneater.

Many gear choices, including weapons, are situational to an extent. That doesn't mean that anything goes; it means anything within reason goes. And yes, WAR is about versatility. I would say dealing heavy damage is what I focus on most of the time, not just because of the damage dealt but also because it's what gives me the ability to tank in small situations and also pull hate back off the healer who's trying desperately to save my Oh-Crap-ThirdEye-Isn't-Up-Yet **** while I finish the mob off. Dealing heavy damage is a very important part of our versatility.

It all still comes down to Player Skill > Gear (again, within reason). The compliments I've gotten on my WAR have been because I had the sense to use my TP at an opportune moment, didn't die despite doing enough damage to pull hate off the tank for a short duration, voke adds/pets before they could glance at mages, and just simply be willing to do whatever is in my power to make whatever I'm involved in succeed. The times I've won parses that people have done were because I used my brain and stayed alive (or reraised and ran right back in) to deal more damage while the other DD's were whining for an R3 as if they can't ever get a meripo or do Campaign.

So, if there's not a huge disparity between DW'ing and GAxe with whatever gear you have, it's your call. Just don't gimp your damage and your ability to be versatile for the sake of doing "what feels best" to you.

Also, I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here since I didn't quite read all the flaming, but try to get a Berserker's Axe ASAP to bridge between Fourth Toporok and Perdu. The difference is noticeable easily without any parsing. My suggestion is to sell the Maneater and use that gil to apply towards a Berserker's Axe. Soon after getting a Berserker's, I stopped DW'ing and never looked back.
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