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#1 Aug 25 2011 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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Hey all, finally hit level 90, and I'm running into issues as to what I should be shooting for in each slot. Was hoping I could ask for help, please.

Grip: Bugard +1 or Elementa?
Ammo: Witchstone or Phantom Tathlum?
Rings: Two +7 int or two augmented Dark Rings?
Neck: Goetia or Artemis?
Back: Goetia or Searing?
Earrings: Which two: Hecate's, Moldavite, Goetia (Novia isn't going to happen). I can farm Hecate's if needed.
Waist: Cognizant or Searing? (Oneiros Sash is also not going to happen)

Atma: I don't have Ultimate yet, so I'm using Minikin, Beyond, Baying. I have Merciless Matriarch, should I be using that instead of Baying?

Thanks in advance.

Edited, Aug 25th 2011 10:54am by Thydonon
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#2 Aug 25 2011 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
Congratulations!!

For Atmas, I currently use MM, Beyond, Baying for nuking because I do not have Ultimate yet either. (I just finished getting my chips and we are popping him this weekend!! YAY!!) For staggers, I use MM, MMatriarch, Impregnable Tower/Apoc. I used to always go Apoc until I started /brd for staggers, so now I pile on the MACC. I love Matriarch for the Fast Cast superior as well. If you are having problems landing spells, you probably want to consider Matriarch, but others I would stick with MAB.

Here is what I currently use.

Grip: Bugard +1
Ammo: Witchstone
Rings: I have 1 +5 and 1 +7 INT rings (snow and augmented diamond) ... I cannot justify paying 1mil for a ring for anther 2 INT
Neck: Goetia or Artemis? I use Goetia, but that is because I don't know that I have ever heard of Artemis (would love more opinions on this)
Back: Searing (I have both and use Searing for the MAB)
Earrings: Which two: Hecate's, Moldavite, Goetia (Novia isn't going to happen). I can farm Hecate's if needed. Goetia and Moldy until you get Hecate's, then Hecate's and Moldy.
Waist: Cognizant or Searing? I had both and started using the Cognizant more. I don't have any hard tests, but just from eyeballing, it seemed to me that I was doing more damage with the added INT in this slot than the MAB.
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#3 Aug 25 2011 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
I agree mostly with Elspetta, but want to add a couple of things. I actually use the elemental grips rather than bugard +1 (they are easy to macro in with staves). Unless I'm missing something, +2 accuracy for each element is much better than +1 INT. Granted, it takes up inventory space, but you can prioritize ice/fire/thunder/dark grips for your most used spells if you're hurting for space. As for the neck piece, I hadn't heard of artemis either, so I went and looked it up on wiki: Artemis' Medal. A very interesting piece, for sure. I would say that the medal is always better than the chain, at least just thinking about it from my perspective. The only time you're getting less macc than the chain is during full moon, in which case you're getting +10 MAB, which without question beats out the chain. I'd love to hear other thoughts on that though.
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#4 Aug 25 2011 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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Elspetta wrote:
For staggers, I use MM, MMatriarch, Impregnable Tower/Apoc. I used to always go Apoc until I started /brd for staggers, so now I pile on the MACC. I love Matriarch for the Fast Cast superior as well. If you are having problems landing spells, you probably want to consider Matriarch, but others I would stick with MAB.

When ES isn't up, you could also use Ascetics Tonic to help land /BRD songs for staggers. When I've soloed as BST/NIN, Ascetics Tonic seemed to help quite a bit getting Kurayami to land.

Elspetta wrote:
Neck: Goetia or Artemis? I use Goetia, but that is because I don't know that I have ever heard of Artemis (would love more opinions on this)

Artemis will beat Goetia for pure damage depending on the moon phase. Unless you're using spellcast, you might find it quite annoying setting up appropriate macros and adjusting based on the moon phase.
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#5 Aug 25 2011 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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When ES isn't up, you could also use Ascetics Tonic to help land /BRD songs for staggers. When I've soloed as BST/NIN, Ascetics Tonic seemed to help quite a bit getting Kurayami to land.


Yeah, I use ES and the tonics, but even before I /brd I actually used the same atma setup for the fast cast. Since my goal is to not kill the nm, I lay off the MAB quite a bit.

Definitely going to need to look into Artemis!
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#6 Aug 25 2011 at 2:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elspetta wrote:
Yeah, I use ES and the tonics, but even before I /brd I actually used the same atma setup for the fast cast. Since my goal is to not kill the nm, I lay off the MAB quite a bit.

I like to be able to kill NQs and other stuff between NM pops. So I just go with my max damage Atma setup, and swap in the "wrong" elemental staff for the proc I'm trying to trigger.
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#7 Aug 25 2011 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Part of this I put in another thread.

Dom ops party last night took me from 84 to 90 and I'm extremely gimped right now. My elemental skill is too weak to be useful in terms of landing solid nukes. BLM has an A+ in Elemental Magic Skill. A+ skill cap at 90 is 361. A+ fully merited is 377.

To combat this, I am using:
blm/sch with Dark Arts - B+ skill: 341 (also gives that skill to enfeebling and dark magic)
AF gloves: 15 skill
Goetia Mantle: 7 skill
Elementa Grip: 3 skill
Ice Staff: 10 skill, only use on ice element spells

This brings me to 366 skill (376 skill when using Ice Staff). I can also keep items like Goetia Chain and Goetia Earring equipped for the much needed magic accuracy/reduced resist that comes from Magic Accuracy and Intelligence. I think I'm going to hold in this gear until I can get closer to cap, then I'll replace it with more damaging gear. The main thing I'm giving up here is gravity. But I wasn't going to be able to stick that at my skill level anyways, so it's not a tragic loss.

Honestly, it's really not a bad gearset. Once I pick up my Elemental Magic Skill merits I can pull the AF gloves in favor of the easily obtained Eradico Mitts and probably even swap a Bugard Strap +1 for the Elementa Grip. Those are the only two pieces that offer nothing more than Elemental Magic Skill, I'm one night of meriting and one pair of farmed gloves away from a very decent gear arrangement. But, I am locked to blm/sch for now.

Thank you for the help in this thread. I will refer back to it once I've got my skill up to where I can focus on damage increasing gear instead of resist reduction gear.

Edited, Aug 25th 2011 3:33pm by Thydonon
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#8 Aug 25 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
svlyons wrote:
Elspetta wrote:
Yeah, I use ES and the tonics, but even before I /brd I actually used the same atma setup for the fast cast. Since my goal is to not kill the nm, I lay off the MAB quite a bit.

I like to be able to kill NQs and other stuff between NM pops. So I just go with my max damage Atma setup, and swap in the "wrong" elemental staff for the proc I'm trying to trigger.



That is an excellent idea! I always get frustrated with abnormally low numbers when I am farming regular mobs between pops. I typically switch out my gear when staggering as well, so I don't get any set procs. I am working towards a fast cast set, so I could probably switch between fast cast and idle while staggering, then put the goetia set back on between procs.

Thanks!!
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#9 Aug 30 2011 at 8:31 PM Rating: Default
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Elspetta wrote:
svlyons wrote:
Elspetta wrote:
Yeah, I use ES and the tonics, but even before I /brd I actually used the same atma setup for the fast cast. Since my goal is to not kill the nm, I lay off the MAB quite a bit.

I like to be able to kill NQs and other stuff between NM pops. So I just go with my max damage Atma setup, and swap in the "wrong" elemental staff for the proc I'm trying to trigger.



That is an excellent idea! I always get frustrated with abnormally low numbers when I am farming regular mobs between pops. I typically switch out my gear when staggering as well, so I don't get any set procs. I am working towards a fast cast set, so I could probably switch between fast cast and idle while staggering, then put the goetia set back on between procs.

Thanks!!



Do you have varuna +2?


With goetia set +2 on all but body and hands no other fast cast gear and /rdm I cast bliz 5 around 25%...... I feel like a god doing that lol.
#10 Aug 30 2011 at 8:37 PM Rating: Default
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Thydonon wrote:
Hey all, finally hit level 90, and I'm running into issues as to what I should be shooting for in each slot. Was hoping I could ask for help, please.

Grip: Bugard +1 or Elementa?
Ammo: Witchstone or Phantom Tathlum?
Rings: Two +7 int or two augmented Dark Rings?
Neck: Goetia or Artemis?
Back: Goetia or Searing?
Earrings: Which two: Hecate's, Moldavite, Goetia (Novia isn't going to happen). I can farm Hecate's if needed.
Waist: Cognizant or Searing? (Oneiros Sash is also not going to happen)

Atma: I don't have Ultimate yet, so I'm using Minikin, Beyond, Baying. I have Merciless Matriarch, should I be using that instead of Baying?

Thanks in advance.

Edited, Aug 25th 2011 10:54am by Thydonon



Elemental,
Witchstone nothing beats it
The more int the better for rings. I think there is a ring now with MAB on it but its a pain to get.
Goetia Neck
Goetia to start with and Searing also. I use Twilight cape on the right day of week.
Hecatates and Moldavite
Cognizant
Minikin for sure, Beyond and baying is fine till ultimate. Merciless Matriach is not needed.


Nomral Mobs I can do 95% dmg with Bliz 5. Just need a Blizzard to finish off. Then I can tier IV, III, and II the next kill. (Resist do factor in)

Right now my normal abyssea dmg is around 5100 cap.

You cant beat the elemental trial weapons. At least do Ice and Thunder.


Edited, Aug 30th 2011 10:38pm by Fumikuu
#11 Aug 31 2011 at 8:05 AM Rating: Good
Fumikuu wrote:
Elspetta wrote:
svlyons wrote:
Elspetta wrote:
Yeah, I use ES and the tonics, but even before I /brd I actually used the same atma setup for the fast cast. Since my goal is to not kill the nm, I lay off the MAB quite a bit.

I like to be able to kill NQs and other stuff between NM pops. So I just go with my max damage Atma setup, and swap in the "wrong" elemental staff for the proc I'm trying to trigger.



That is an excellent idea! I always get frustrated with abnormally low numbers when I am farming regular mobs between pops. I typically switch out my gear when staggering as well, so I don't get any set procs. I am working towards a fast cast set, so I could probably switch between fast cast and idle while staggering, then put the goetia set back on between procs.

Thanks!!



Do you have varuna +2?


With goetia set +2 on all but body and hands no other fast cast gear and /rdm I cast bliz 5 around 25%...... I feel like a god doing that lol.


Yes I do have Varuna's +2, but when I am trying to stagger, I need my AM procs to go off faster. Especially when doing IC's because their normal swings count as TP moves. There is little time to get a spell to go off clean. So for me the faster the better. For regular killing/nuking, I'm fine in my full AF3 +2 and +2 staves (I have 2 completed and working on my 3rd). I also /brd as mentioned above for staggers, so I don't get the benefit of /rdm fast cast.
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#12 Sep 01 2011 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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So,

After playing around on blm90/sch45, I have my own experiences to add here. The thing to remember here is that you need to be able to contribute on blm/brd. Also, I have much more enjoyable experiences when I can reliably land an very big nuke instead of put out terrible damage and then every so often drop a massive nuke. Consistency ftw. So, I have found that I prefer:

Grip: Bugard +1
Ammo: Witchstone
Rings: Int
Neck: Goetia
Back: Goetia
Earrings: Goetia and Moldevite. If I had Hecate's I'd use Goetia and Hecate's to keep the accuracy.
Waist: Cognizant
Hands: AF

Atma: I picked up Ultimate, and I use it with Minkin Monstrosity and Beyond. Prior to Ultimate I used Baying Moon with Minikin Monstrosity and Beyond.

This is an example of my six-line macros:
Bliz4
/ma "Blizzard 4" <t>
/recast "Blizzard IV"
/equip main "Aquilo's Staff"
/equip head "Goetia Petasos +1"
/equip body "Literae Coat"
/equip legs "Teal Slops"

So, I swap staff, body, head, and legs.
Elemental: Goetia Petasos +1, Literae Coat, Teal Slops, Staff
Dark: Goetia Petasos +1, Literae Coat, Wizard's Tonban, Staff
Enfeebling: Igqira Tiara, Wizard's Coat, Igqira Lappas, Staff

This might not be the best way, but it has worked very well for me. It is at least one feasible way to do things. I sold off two ksnm99 orbs (and one run did get a BB item, grats to them!) to buy a lot of gear, but even if you use NQ staves it's nice, and the Igqira head and legs are cheap.

Current spell set/macro position:
Ctrl
1 mana wall @@
2 enmity douse @@ and **
3 sublimation @@, line 1 /recast Sublimation, line two /target <st>, line three /ja "Sublimation" <me>
4 stoneskin @@
5 ice spikes @@
6 aspir
7 aspir 2
8 manifestation @@
9 sleepga
0 sleepga 2

Alt
1 stun, happens so fast I put spell on line 5, recast on line 6 to ensure gear swaps on lines 1-4
2 bliz 4
3 thun 4
4 bliz 5
5 blizzaga 3
6 drain
7 bind **
8 break **
9 sleep **
0 sleep 2 **

** indicates macro line 1 is recast and line 2 <stnpc> targeting
@@ indicates macro does not have gear swaps
Lack of ** or @@ markers indicates macro has six-line macro setup as above

Best of luck. 5/8 on feet seals, legs will be next!

Edited, Sep 1st 2011 11:59am by Thydonon
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#13 Sep 01 2011 at 3:38 PM Rating: Default
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Now that you have your gear figured out and good DD atmas try this once you get pearl and azure capped. Manawall then Manafont after you see a ISL chest. Pop Chest Pull 5 exp mobs and aoe them all down. If your lucky you get another restore chest.

Rinse and repeat.

When I am in an exp party or farming mobs I never stay with the party unless we are killing nms. They hold the mage down ><
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