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#1 Jan 07 2011 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
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Halp. I have Indra +2 and am almost done with Varuna +2. All other staves currently HQ. I obviously have full enfeebling/dark/hMP and resist sets.

Basic Nuking set.
Goetia Petasos +1
Goetia Chain
Teal Saio
Eradico Mitts (got free lot from a shout in the zone, have Morri also)
Cog Belt
Goetia Mantle
Teal Slops
Goetia Sabots +1
Tamas and a 7 INT Diamond Ring
Moldy & as of yesterday Hecate Earring
Phantom Tathlum

OK, there are some obvious changes to make, like upgrading to a Witchstone which I will do as soon as I can. I need to check the prices again or go pop the NM. It's something I will fix this weekend.

I'm working on the BLM empyrean body and will eventually +2. BLM is my second job and one I really enjoy so it gets a lot of love, just not as much as my WHM. Novio isn't going to happen right now.

1) For the back slot, I ended up with a Searing cape on a Turul kill last night, should I switch it in over the goetia? I don't particularly want to. Wondering if I am starting to lose too much INT. Resists aren't really an issue ever and my skill is less than 2 points from cap but I'm worried about dropping int everywhere in favour of MAB.

2) I assume once I have my goetia hands upgraded to +1 I'd be better off using those?

3) I nuke in Teal slops, are the EAF+1 better?

4) What do you think of the Twilight Cloak? Am I right in assuming that Goetia +1 Head and Body would be better?

Goetia Petasos +1 RareExclusive
[Head] All Races
DEF: 27 INT +6
Elemental Magic Skill +10
Elemental Magic casting time -6%
Enmity -4
Lv. 85 BLM

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Teal Saio
DEF: 48 HP +24 MP +24 INT +6 MND +6
CHR +6
Magic Accuracy +4
"Magic Atk. Bonus" +4
Set: Enhances "Fast Cast" effect

versus

Twilight Cloak
MP +75 "Magic Atk. Bonus" +15
Enmity -15 Able to cast "Impact"


Edited, Jan 7th 2011 7:08am by eldelphia

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 7:09am by eldelphia
#2 Jan 07 2011 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Well this is just basic from eyeballing, but hopefully it helps a bit.


Searing Cape > Goetia for damage. Goetia would be part of a resist set, which is kind of useless at the moment with everything being on easy mode.

Goetia Hands +1 > Eradico by a wide margin.

Goetia Slops + 1 are pretty much a piece to use for cumulative bonus until you can +2 them (i.e. very situational). Kinda sucks but Teal should outdamage them.

Twilight Cloak... well that's a lot of MAB and it certainly beats Teal + Goetia head for pure damage.



A Quick reference: 2 INT > 1 MAB > 1 INT
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#3 Jan 08 2011 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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blowfin wrote:
A Quick reference: 2 INT > 1 MAB > 1 INT


What about Augur's Jaseran vs. Teal Saio? If you go with Teal, you're giving up 7 INT in return for 4 MAB (and 4 MACC, not that that matters).

2 INT > 1 MAB, but is 1.75 INT > 1 MAB?
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yankeestom wrote:
[quote=blowfin]A Quick reference: 2 INT > 1 MAB > 1 INT


What about Augur's Jaseran vs. Teal Saio? If you go with Teal, you're giving up 7 INT in return for 4 MAB (and 4 MACC, not that that matters).

2 INT > 1 MAB, but is 1.75 INT > 1 ****************** situational. If you've got ultimate+beyond, and half decent gear, augur should win.
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#5 Jan 08 2011 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
sh*t's situational. If you've got ultimate+beyond, and half decent gear, augur should win.


I have Beyond but not Ultimate. My 3rd atma on BLM (after MM/Beyond) is usually either Full Moon or Apocalypse depending on whether I want more refresh or expect to die a lot.

Semi-related: is Sorcerer's Tonban better than Teal Slops when casting on the matching day? Not sure how the weather bonus compares to 2INT+3MAB.
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yankeestom wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
sh*t's situational. If you've got ultimate+beyond, and half decent gear, augur should win.


I have Beyond but not Ultimate. My 3rd atma on BLM (after MM/Beyond) is usually either Full Moon or Apocalypse depending on whether I want more refresh or expect to die a lot.

Semi-related: is Sorcerer's Tonban better than Teal Slops when casting on the matching day? Not sure how the weather bonus compares to 2INT+3MAB.
Why would you ever use apoc other than if you plan to intentionally zombie something? Smiley: frown

And yes to sorc tonban.
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Why would you ever use apoc other than if you plan to intentionally zombie something? Smiley: frown


Because I usually use /RDM, and I occasionally I get careless. So sometimes perma-reraise is more convenient than higher damage when my damage is already insane.

Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
And yes to sorc tonban.


Thanks.

Edited, Jan 8th 2011 2:53pm by yankeestom
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yankeestom wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
Why would you ever use apoc other than if you plan to intentionally zombie something? Smiley: frown
Because I usually use /RDM, and I occasionally I get careless. So sometimes perma-reraise is more convenient than higher damage when my damage is already insane.
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#9 Jan 09 2011 at 4:08 AM Rating: Good
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While its true that we have access to significantly more MAB than before, most people fail to notice that tier V spells have had a fairly large jump in base damage (favors MAB) and a not so significant jump in tier-nuke modifier (2.299 over 2 for IV). Also take into account that INT in abyssea is skyrocketed depending on atmas/furtherances/pulse martellos.

Without knowing exact values for mob INT its hard to put a definitive equivalence on MAB for INT but I think most people would be surprised how close it still is to 2 = 1. Using OP's gearset, minus body piece, assuming 83 base Hume int, +30 cruor int, Minikin/Beyond/Ultimate, mob INT of 100 (no idea if this is a close guess anymore, Ebony Puddings were 89) running numbers through the damage formula Blizzard V has 1 MAB ≈ 1.96 INT. In the OP's case, Teal will most likely beat Augur's, but its very close and lower spells will begin to push Augur's ahead. Personally I'd use Augur's but that's solely based on appearances :p
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#10 Jan 10 2011 at 3:36 AM Rating: Good
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I have augur's, yet it had not occurred to me to switch it in for nuking on BLM... I have 3 lunar abyssite and access to beyond/ultimate/****'s guardian and minnikin amongst others. I guess what I'm looking for is where I should be aiming with gear and what improvements I can make now.

Level 90 Hume with 5 INT merits, 8/8 Elemental andall BLM merits capped out.


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#11 Jan 10 2011 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd focus on +1 hands in your situation personally, for the moment. Twilight cloak is gonna trump everything for a while in terms of body and head (combined) until you start upgrading the AF3. So yah... after + hands I'd start to +2 your goetia starting with pieces you use regularly now? You seriously have a pretty good nuking set there so it's all pretty marginal with improvements, until you get the +2's.

+2 body and head will outclass that Twilight cloak, but not by much, so enjoy the cloak while you can =) . Augur's... for the gear you have, forget about it, far too weak.

Edited, Jan 10th 2011 11:44pm by blowfin
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#12 Jan 11 2011 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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I don't have the cloak yet but working on it now I have access :)
#13 Jan 11 2011 at 1:51 PM Rating: Good
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Ah gotcha, good luck then =)

Just as a side note this BLM forum is such a friendly place, I seem to have made a friend who likes to rate down every post I make. Don't actually see anyone offering much different advice than what i'm giving so who's got the sandy ****** in here? Maybe we can have a friendly debate about what's troubling you, I think you'll find it's quite theraputic to get your issues out in the open. Particularly if you have small man syndrome.

I remember a time when the BLM forums were full of happy, frien.... no wait, i'm thinking of somwehere else. This forum has always been full of emo basement dwellers come to think of it, carry on.
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blowfin wrote:
Ah gotcha, good luck then =)

Just as a side note this BLM forum is such a friendly place, I seem to have made a friend who likes to rate down every post I make. Don't actually see anyone offering much different advice than what i'm giving so who's got the sandy ****** in here? Maybe we can have a friendly debate about what's troubling you, I think you'll find it's quite theraputic to get your issues out in the open. Particularly if you have small man syndrome.

I remember a time when the BLM forums were full of happy, frien.... no wait, i'm thinking of somwehere else. This forum has always been full of emo basement dwellers come to think of it, carry on.
I just rated you down, and am about to go look for the rest of your posts in this thread, and rate them down as well.
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#15 Jan 11 2011 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for proving my point!

But I know it's not you, because you just got your Scholar yesterday =)

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#16 Jan 11 2011 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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blowfin wrote:
Thanks for proving my point!

But I know it's not you, because you just got your Scholar yesterday =)
No, i only rated you down because you complained about rate downs.
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#17 Jan 11 2011 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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You don't say? Do people actually do that... on Zam?

Apart from being a unique snowflake you credit me with far too much stupidity.
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#18 Jan 11 2011 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Uh...what? I rated you down solely because you complained about the rate downs. No, you didn't deserve to be rated down before that, and if i was able to, i would have rated them up when you made them. I wasn't saying you're stupid. In fact, the only thing i've remembered about you other than your name, is that you're at least reasonably intelligent.
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#19 Jan 11 2011 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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Holy crap, epic sarcasm detection fail. I've been here for a few years mate, I'm well aware that talking about ratings is an instant rate down. Little dissapointed that you're being so unoriginal and playing out the draconian archetypes of Zam though.
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#20 Jan 11 2011 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Actually i'm just annoyed that you wasted my time making me read such a useless post.
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#21 Jan 11 2011 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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You could have done more than just skimmed it and saved yourself the time in the first place?

You know there are some decent tricks to use in a situation like this? When you don't really want to add more posts to the thread.

Case in point: Responding to the below - You don't read them very well then obviously, or take time to interpret meaning.

So why would you bother to reply if you don't even understand the post? Does make you look like a douche when you get it wrong you know.

Edited, Jan 11th 2011 8:34pm by blowfin
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#22 Jan 11 2011 at 2:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Wasn't long enough to require skimming. And i read every post that comes up in live, with no exceptions.

Quote:
You don't read them very well then obviously, or take time to interpret meaning.
I read most of your posts here multiple times, and still didn't fully understand them. I won't even bother speculating how much of that is your fault, and how much is mine.

Edited, Jan 11th 2011 3:32pm by ThePsychoticOne
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