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#27 Jan 11 2011 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
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To be honest for the crab trials I did Kuftal tunnel. I did with another 2 BLMs, since the crabs aggro 2 BLMs would buff up and pull as many as we could normally could get 15-20 in one area, 3rd BLM would sleepga the mobs. Then -ga them to death, can aspir worms or the crabs. Alternate sides of the zones after each deathga and it took us a reasonable amount of time.

I basically did the same thing solo for this trial. On the east side of the map, there's a group of robber crabs south of the scorpion, another group north of the scorpion, and even more crabs down the tunnel further north. With two aspirs, I could handle 8 crabs on a single pull on just one MP bar.

While doing this trial, I realized just how awesome the buff to sneak duration is. Before, I couldn't rely on sneak while resting up for MP. Now, I can cast sneak, rest long enough to restore an entire MP bar, and still have plenty of time to chill with sneak still up.
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#28 Jan 14 2011 at 3:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere, but at what stage will these trump elemental staves, and the HQs?
#29 Jan 14 2011 at 3:46 AM Rating: Decent
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joshwhiltz wrote:
Hey forgive me if this has been answered elsewhere, but at what stage will these trump elemental staves, and the HQs?
Always, unless your macc is absolutely terrible (under 50-60%).
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#30 Jan 14 2011 at 6:39 AM Rating: Decent
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no no, i understand at the end it's great, but i mean after which trial does it pass them? is it only after you complete it?
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no no, i understand at the end it's great, but i mean after which trial does it pass them? is it only after you complete it?
Oh. Assuming you're not nuking naked, and so have ****** macc, the damage+3 teiwaz obviously wins.
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#32 Jan 18 2011 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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See my post here: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fjob=3&mid=1277943678237173876#msg128389555318393695 for a slightly out-dated analysis of damage and accuracy of the +4 staves.

And to add a few suggestions for trial camps:
841:
I went to Sea Serpent Grotto, just inside the gold door. Easy to get to if you have a Norg earring. There are 4 slimes within a quick walk that I know of. Fished while weather was down.

842:
One-shotted gigas tigers in Xarc (S).

848:
Started by teaming up with a random BLM and -ga nuking Despot placeholders. Then killed Despot.
Finished doing domion pages on Sand Sweepers in Abyssea Altepa at Flux 8 solo. Popular spot, so lots of mobs check IT to 90, giving good xp/hr there solo, with no downtime at all.

849:
Teamed with another BLM friend to kill Dusk Lizards east of flux 7 in Abyssea Misareaux. Skilled duo can -ja nuke groups of 15+ easily.

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All Abyssea, all the way. With atmas, abyssites, etc., it's non-stop killing. If you know what you're doing, you can even invite a personal key-***** to come along.
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#33 Jan 27 2011 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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on so working on trial staff and am on the bee's and was wondering if people have a good spot for this?
currently i am in wajorm woodlands just wondering if anyone else had a better spot besides ifrits?
#34 Jan 27 2011 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
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on so working on trial staff and am on the bee's and was wondering if people have a good spot for this?
currently i am in wajorm woodlands just wondering if anyone else had a better spot besides ifrits?


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#35MrSka681, Posted: Jan 30 2011 at 2:35 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i know this will come as bad news but just wanted to let people know i am currently working on +1 staff trial wryvens and for some reason the DRG pets in the reef dont count nor do the thickets pets this was kinda disappointing as they could have been one shotted i know this use to be a place for blm's to solo exp although the repop time on them is high would have been nice to run around w/ refresh up oneshotting for this trial
#36 Jan 31 2011 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Someone already posted that they don't count. And for the love of God, USE PUNCTUATION!!! For bees, when my other account is a high enough level to sync, I'm gonna see if blizzard 2 will do it, and hopefully the bees in Rolanberry Fields will still be EP
#37 Feb 02 2011 at 7:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Didnt see it here, so I figured Id chime in for Crabs, you can do the ones in Abyssea Mis. Coast. What I did having 1000s of bastion points, is I kept buying fana drinks, and using mana wall, pull x10 crab, use fana drink as soon as your SS get taken off(dont wait til you get all crabs do it when you can as soon as SS drops) pop 2hour and start using your -gas. Going from Thundaga line to blizzaga lines seemed to work for me. They should be dead before fana wears.

After that just rinse and repeat, bene chest should be able to drop from the crowd you kill, or just keep killing one by one til one drops for you. Can do w/o bene, youll just probably have to wait on mana wall timers(youll probably have bene by then though...) and use up more temp items. Should be done after 25-30 rounds of that.
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#38 Apr 27 2011 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Atma Beyond is great for these trials. Do as much as you can in abyssea if you have this atma.
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#39 May 21 2011 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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Trial 848: 150 Arcana, Ice killshot of 50+ damage


i joined a dominion ops party on dolls in altepa. was able to two shot the dolls every time and it didn't take long to finish trial. still got great azure lights for the party so i don't feel this was leeching in any way as i was killing nearly as fast as the meles were if not a lil faster.
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#40 May 26 2011 at 9:06 AM Rating: Good
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I did that also and the leader of the party noticed the staff checked me and then said in party Ice Magic Kills only please for all mages!

So between the 2 smn's 2 blms and 2 rdm. It was rocked out in no time flat.
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#41 May 27 2011 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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So far my friend & I have duo'd most of these trials. We plan on doing the 250 Crabs in Abyssea - Grauberg (Glen Crab) at flux 4 for Dominion Ops. We both have 3 atmas and have used Minikin + Beyond + Ultimate. On the bee trial, we were able to 2-shot the bees with Blizzard V + Blizzard III, and 2x Blizzard IV. Barring resists, kills are fast and efficient. We plan on killing the crabs (and wyverns) in a similar manner.
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#42 Jun 13 2011 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
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Trial 841: 50 Slimes in Ice, Dark, Water or Earth weather

I just did this trial in Dynamis - Jeuno. There's a goblin pathfinder with a slime pet right by the entrance. Get him by himself and you can kill his pet over and over. Just bind him when he's about to wake up and he'll stare at you for a while before summoning a new one. At one point he used his 2 hour and charmed me for about 5 minutes. I was duoing at the time, but I imagine that if I had been solo, he would have despawned and uncharmed me.
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#43 Jul 31 2011 at 4:39 AM Rating: Decent
That's @#%^ing epic, Ani :o! Much better than just waiting for a rainstorm in the Den of Rancor with a train of 10 mobs at 1%.

Edited, Jul 31st 2011 3:40am by tertoonetwothreefour
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#44 Aug 02 2011 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I did the Dyna Jeuno thing too. Binding the goblin isn't necessary. Just be a little patient and you can pull the slime easily and fight it at your leisure by the zone in where the goblin will never see it and link. I got the trial done in 40 minutes and that included one death from a poorly-conceived pull.

Other testimonies.

Arcana - the observer mobs in Abysssea Uleg die easily.
Lizards - Abyssea Konschat
Crabs - Abyssea Mis by the boss pop
Wyverns - Abyssea Grauberg

Most everything died with a Bliz V followed by a II. Sometimes, on mobs that were leveling up, I'd need a III.

Everything solo from beginning to end.

I have the 3 best BLM nuking atmas for ice (MM, Ultimate, Beyond) so I ALWAYS did abyssea given an alternative, if only for the MM refresh. In the scars and heroes zones, I'd start getting enough time chests to actually build up time past the point where I'd started.

BLM/SCH is superior for the MP reducing strategem, not to mention latent fast cast and normal MP reduction from dark arts. Gets Blink and Stoneskin too and that's all the buffs you need. It got to the point where I never rested EVER and was ALWAYS riding Bliz V's timer. Intense lights and frequent manafonts helped this, I admit, but that's just good fun ;D

Boring trials but not hard and you can do them essentially whenever you like so that's nice. Tough I kept going on firesday for some awful reason >_>
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#45LyltiaofLakshmi, Posted: Aug 02 2011 at 2:17 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ...why are you single-target nuking things for trials on BLM?
#46 Aug 02 2011 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
Yeah, there's an argument to be made for /RDM for phalanx as you pull a big ol' group of mobs to manafont-wall-ja down. I personally didn't find the risk/reward quite worth it unless the mobs were quite well packed together as long pulls ended in deaths for one reason or another more often than I'm proud to admit. Also, having the +2 staves for -ja spells makes it a lot more attractive.
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#47LyltiaofLakshmi, Posted: Aug 02 2011 at 8:49 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You don't need /RDM, Phalanx, or +2 Staves, all you need is Sleepga and Blizzaga, the correct Atmas, and a solid-enough grasp of basic BLM strategy to maintain proper distance from the pack when casting, and to run away while unable to cast. There's zero reason to get hit or die.
#48 Aug 03 2011 at 11:32 AM Rating: Good
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-aga kills weren't that realistic for several of the trials. Bees and wyverns were far enough apart that any given -aga had a shot of only hitting one mob, depending on how they meandered. And many of the mobs (arcana, bees, crabs, wyverns) were aggro so I was limited in where I could stand when still at max distance. It's hard to hit groups when you can only target the nearest of the group because the group aggros.

Manafont Manawall madness is fun, and I DID get a larger number of kills when I didn't have to worry about MP costs, but ultimately they actually hurt my MP efficiency in the long run since I take a fair number of hits since the mobs are usually EM or T so my stoneskin doesn't last amazingly long if I'm spending all my time spamming spells.

I'm skeptical of there being "zero reason to get hit" when fighting things like wyverns. Those things BEELINE. They're within melee range before the first spell's casting bar is gone.

Duo+ wasn't an option; I did this at off hours when nobody I knew was available.

S'cool being bashed for giving a testimony that worked. I'll stop doing that around here.
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#49LyltiaofLakshmi, Posted: Aug 03 2011 at 1:37 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You presented a workable but largely inefficient strategy that barely takes advantage of BLM's particular strengths, or Abyssea's unique opportunities. Whining about being 'bashed' and playing the pity card doesn't make your strategy any better. You'd do well to understand that critiquing one's ideas and 'bashing' them personally are not one and the same; nowhere did I insult you in my posts. I simply pointed out the shortcomings of your strategy and presented a much better one.
#50 Aug 04 2011 at 4:22 AM Rating: Good
Lyl be trollin' your strategies. I appreciate your testimony for one, goodness knows why s/he felt it was worthy of such contempt.

Seriously though, I disagree that there's no reason to get hit. One bad mob pathing can split the group in two and leave half your mobs unslept. Also, jumping the gun on your sleepga could lead to them catching up while you're "Unable to cast spells at this time." Also, if you can't kite because an NM sez hi, you've got to stop and eat some hits instead of running into the jaws of the accidental MPK. Also, links/repops happen.

I dare anyone to do a 200+ kill trial without running into any of those complications.
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#51 Aug 04 2011 at 5:04 AM Rating: Default
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All of the things you listed can happen, but you can certainly control them.

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One bad mob pathing can split the group in two and leave half your mobs unslept.


The first thing you always do at a new camp when you plan on againg is to gauge the lay of the land, take note of obstacles that cause mobs to path badly, etc. An initial pull or two of a few mobs is all it takes to quantify these things and ensure your safety when you start pulling larger numbers.

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Also, jumping the gun on your sleepga could lead to them catching up while you're "Unable to cast spells at this time."


That's not a problem with the strategy; it's a problem with the execution. Always err on the side of caution to avoid this problem; if you have movespeed+, as long as you keep moving, you are never in any danger as you can simply keep running to gain enough distance to Sleepga safely.

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Also, if you can't kite because an NM sez hi, you've got to stop and eat some hits instead of running into the jaws of the accidental MPK


For one, a NM blocking your path is not an 'accidental MPK'... regardless, this is one of those hypothetical situations that are quite easily avoided by not playing with your monitor off and rolling your face across the keyboard.

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Also, links/repops happen.


If you are utilizing proper strategy, no, they don't. Pulling the mobs away from where they spawn tends to solve those problems rather neatly. I can see how this would be a concern if you were single-target nuking mobs without pulling them to a safe distance, though.

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Lyl be trollin' your strategies. I appreciate your testimony for one, goodness knows why s/he felt it was worthy of such contempt.


If I was trolling, I would've just said he sucks, and wouldn't have bothered explaining a much better strategy in detail. As I said above, his strategy is workable, but horribly inefficient, given that single-target nuking is at best 4-5k on your strongest nuke, and againg is 20k+ on a single nuke; on every conceivable level, againg wins. Kills per hour, kills per nuke, damage per nuke, damage per MP, net effort per kill, etc. There's also the fact that againg mobs prevents them from leveling up, which seemed to give him trouble.

Besides, his testimony was pretty much worthless.. wrong camps, wrong spells, wrong strategies.. if that's the kind of post you appreciate... we're not gonna see eye to eye on much, to put it diplomatically, which is more than I can say of your response.

Edited, Aug 4th 2011 7:09am by LyltiaofLakshmi
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