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#1 Sep 05 2009 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I just got the BLM nyzul staff on auto sort. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Laevateinn if I unlock this will it replace HQ staves? I am working on INT merits and will merit elemental and enfeebling magic.

Edited, Sep 5th 2009 11:03pm by Shastal
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#2 Sep 05 2009 at 8:04 PM Rating: Default
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Hq staves are better in all situations (as long as you're not naked). Also, anyone who's too stupid to realize that it's a piece of **** is almost definitely too stupid to finish it...

Edited, Sep 6th 2009 12:05am by ThePsychoticOne
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#3 Sep 05 2009 at 8:14 PM Rating: Good
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I was asking since my blm isn't 75 yet... don't shoot a person for asking a question
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#4 Sep 05 2009 at 8:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think you understand how Mythics work. It's not exactly just as simple as "unlocking it". It's 90~mil and up to half a year's work for it. Depending on the situation, it will parse better, but the situations are so small and unimportant that it's not really worth it unless you have EVERYTHING for BLM.
#5 Sep 05 2009 at 8:23 PM Rating: Default
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She wasn't shooting at you.

But yes, she's right. Since Elemental Staves provide a percentage to your magic damage and accuracy, there's a tipping point where Laevateinn will be better than HQ staves; however I don't know what that point is.

Edited, Sep 5th 2009 9:24pm by Jagtarro
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Overburn the Fussy wrote:
I don't think you understand how Mythics work. It's not exactly just as simple as "unlocking it". It's 90~mil and up to half a year's work for it. Depending on the situation, it will parse better, but the situations are so small and unimportant that it's not really worth it unless you have EVERYTHING for BLM.

Of course the only time it's better is for mobs that aren't resistant (hq staves have 20 more macc), and your mab gear is horribly gimp nonexistent.

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Jagtarro wrote:
She wasn't shooting at you.

But yes, she's right. Since Elemental Staves provide a percentage to your magic damage and accuracy, there's a tipping point where Laevateinn will be better than HQ staves; however I don't know what that point is.

As long as you have at least +2 mab from gear, hq staves will win.
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#8Chriustwo, Posted: Sep 09 2009 at 2:10 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm a little confused - how do you know elemental staves have damage bonuses and magic accuracy?
#9 Sep 09 2009 at 2:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Chriustwo wrote:
I'm a little confused - how do you know elemental staves have damage bonuses and magic accuracy?




Test it? Calculate projected outcome vs actual outcome? If you know the formula(which we do), you can do both of these things.
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I'm a little confused - how do you know elemental staves have damage bonuses and magic accuracy?


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#11Chriustwo, Posted: Sep 09 2009 at 3:35 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So there's some cool way to test these hidden attributes on our elemental staves...
#12 Sep 09 2009 at 3:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Chriustwo wrote:
So there's some cool way to test these hidden attributes on our elemental staves...
Somehow per this board there is no way Mythic has hidden effects as well right?
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Test it? Calculate projected outcome vs actual outcome? If you know the formula(which we do), you can do both of these things.


I suppose we have a Laevateinn around these parts that we've done all this testing with to show HQ > mythic?

Which is what I was getting at...


There's at least 4 Laevateinns. 2 of them have been fully tested and found nothing that the description didn't already tell us.
#13Chriustwo, Posted: Sep 09 2009 at 4:46 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sweet
#14TybudX, Posted: Sep 09 2009 at 5:14 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah, I'm sure that's what Pork and Beans thought.
#15 Sep 09 2009 at 5:21 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I'm sure that's what Pork and Beans thought.


Porkpork and beanbeans didn't do any testing besides letting someone figure out what the ES bonuses did. At least none that they made public to anyone large scale.
#16 Sep 09 2009 at 6:24 PM Rating: Good
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I was using sarcasm to point out just how underwhelmed the first people to finish BLM mythic must have felt. And I think their names are funny.
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#17 Sep 10 2009 at 5:14 AM Rating: Good
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Chriustwo wrote:
I suppose we have a Laevateinn around these parts that we've done all this testing with to show HQ > mythic?

Which is what I was getting at...

You did a terrible job "getting at it" then. Perhaps subtlety is not your strong suit.
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#18 Sep 10 2009 at 8:48 AM Rating: Good
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No mythics have been found to have any hidden effects, anyways. The developers aren't going to give one mythic hidden effects and not the others. The Laevateinn is a situational piece at best and until a weapon is created that gives a 15% damage boost or higher to nukes along with additional INT or MAB, HQ staves will always be better due to the way nuke damage is calculated.
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You know what would be really cool? If we could take our staves to Nokkhi and have him bundle them up for us. One slot. I'd pay 60 million gil to turn my HQ staves into one slot.
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#20Chriustwo, Posted: Sep 10 2009 at 11:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Or getting it is not your strong suit?
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Chriustwo wrote:
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You did a terrible job "getting at it" then. Perhaps subtlety is not your strong suit.

Or getting it is not your strong suit?

The thread started with how ridiculous the idea that BLM mythic was worth something. I had no beliefs that the blm weapon would amount to anything, but my point stands that no reference was made to Laevateinn having been tested to be free of hidden effects.

Forgive me for not F5ing the wiki discussion on this until somebody had obtained.



Preliminary testing at fanfest over a year ago showed it was useless. I don't see how hard it is too understand.
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#22 Sep 10 2009 at 8:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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The thread started with how ridiculous the idea that BLM mythic was worth something. I had no beliefs that the blm weapon would amount to anything, but my point stands that no reference was made to Laevateinn having been tested to be free of hidden effects.


SE has consistently shown that they have no idea how to make mage weaponry, even relic-class weaponry, that surpasses a certain set of level 51 HQ staves. We simply have no reason to believe that mythics will make things any different when a good number of the mythics already tested or acquired (both melee and mage) have already been shown to be nothing special.

At least the WHM and SMN mythics have known, non-hidden effects on their weapons that we know are good (even though I can't think of any SMN out there that would bust their asses for a mythic just to get -1 perp)
#23Chriustwo, Posted: Sep 11 2009 at 7:25 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Didn't they also mention they could make changes before they were actually released? How is that too hard to understand?
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Didn't they also mention they could make changes before they were actually released? How is that too hard to understand?
All I'm saying is nobody casually mentioned mythic has no hidden effects to factor in when comparing the staves because not everybody has their eyes glued to boards and wikis about blm mythic.


Wishful thinking is all nice, but there are limits...
- It didn't have hidden effects at fanfest.
- Nothing indicates it might have any hiddens.

And yet, you still cling to the hope that it was modified to include an hidden effect?

Nevermind that if it had a hidden making it superior to HQ staves, the Laevateinn holders would be bragging about their Staves every chance they get...
#25Chriustwo, Posted: Sep 11 2009 at 3:22 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) when it's not exactly common knowledge about the whole nature of the mythic.
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SE has consistently shown that they have no idea how to make mage weaponry, even relic-class weaponry, that surpasses a certain set of level 51 HQ staves.
Well, aside from that they know how to improve on an Apollo's Staff for a WHM who's not nuking or sleeping things.

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