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#1 Jun 17 2009 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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#2 Jun 17 2009 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow some things never change. Smiley: lol
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#3 Jun 17 2009 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess "Looking" does not include reading older posts.
#4 Jun 17 2009 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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i dont have the search option so its difficult searching every post, yes.
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#6 Jun 17 2009 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Nevermind forget I asked. Ill stop posting here. Most people just cough me an attitude anyway when I'm looking for help. Cyas.

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#7 Jun 17 2009 at 3:02 PM Rating: Default
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Hehe thanks thats a useful link.
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Oh god, that link is awesome, I'ma use that all the time.
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Yes you do.


Perfectly executed.
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#10 Jun 17 2009 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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It's funny how some people will provide links that obviously/intentionally don't yield a direct answer to a simple question to pretend like they're all smart and being helpful. If you don't know the answer yourself, you can always just say so, or -- get this -- not respond. Was THAT so hard?

If the answer is "it depends" like I suspect it probably is, well then, depends on what? It doesn't have to be precise (and probably can't be, because **** is situational and all) but even just a rough guideline would be more helpful than a list of google links which primarily have nothing to do with the question being asked.
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Fynlar wrote:
It's funny how some people will provide links that obviously/intentionally don't yield a direct answer to a simple question to pretend like they're all smart and being helpful. If you don't know the answer yourself, you can always just say so, or -- get this -- not respond. Was THAT so hard?

If the answer is "it depends" like I suspect it probably is, well then, depends on what? It doesn't have to be precise (and probably can't be, because sh*t is situational and all) but even just a rough guideline would be more helpful than a list of google links which primarily have nothing to do with the question being asked.

The link i provided may not directly provide any benefit (i have no idea, i didn't look at any of the results), but it does help. If he wasn't aware of how to use site: on google to search a specific site, he is now. And it does help him find the answer to his question on his own.
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#12 Jun 17 2009 at 6:24 PM Rating: Decent
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And by "some people" you mean TPO? And by "direct answer" you mean "providing a link to a site that fulfils the exact function of the Alla search which the OP said they didn't have access to"?

score 1 for vagueness and passive-aggressive +1ing

btw top result is http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=3;mid=1215908067265448441 ....gosh, how irrelevant
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#13 Jun 17 2009 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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i should start quoting posts like these in their entirety, so people can't just delete them =/
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#14 Jun 17 2009 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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That was kind of mean...

I can understand read the sticky, or check sues damage formula, but a blank search engine, while useful, will require a lot more effort and lead to frustration.

Though her edited response might have merited it. What did it say?
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That was kind of mean...

I can understand read the sticky, or check sues damage formula, but a blank search engine, while useful, will require a lot more effort and lead to frustration.

You mean it'd require him to put in a tiny bit of effort instead of none? That was the point kind of the point. If he's too lazy to take a minute or two to look up the answer then why should i waste my time to explain it?

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Though her edited response might have merited it. What did it say?

idr exactly what it was, but he clearly didn't put any effort into figuring it out himself, and the same basic question that you can probably find asked at least once on ever page of these forums about int/mab, and which is better.
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#16 Jun 17 2009 at 10:14 PM Rating: Good
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You mean it'd require him to put in a tiny bit of effort instead of none? That was the point kind of the point. If he's too lazy to take a minute or two to look up the answer then why should i waste my time to explain it?


Someone with 28 posts may not know where to look, even on this site. I have nothing against telling someone to RTFM, but you should probably tell them where the manual is.

In the past VxSote would probably give them the answer and then excoriate them. They don't leave the site that way and they are also more careful about what they ask in the future.

Edited, Jun 18th 2009 2:16am by Pensive
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#17 Jun 17 2009 at 10:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Post count is irrelevant. Unless he had someone else type his post up, he knows how to read, which is all that's required to find the answer to such a common question.
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Princess posted 4 times on a few hours old thread (meaning he/she's probably spamming refresh on browser) with some posts that are actually longer and more troublesome thehn it would have been if a straight answer had been given XD

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#19 Jun 18 2009 at 7:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Because forums (you know, one where you discuss topics and ask questions) are supposed to support anti socialist behavior when the forum is dedicated to discussing a MMORPG right?

Tired of seeing the same old topic on a website that doesn't even have a free search topic function, especially when =3's forum sticky is a POS to begin with? Don't @#%^ing read it. Don't @#%^ing reply to it. Just GTFO and jump in a fire to save us all a big headache in the future.

OP: If you're still around and not scared away by all the useless forum trolls on this website, I suggest reading Kanican's blog:

http://kanican.livejournal.com/34049.html

for an in-depth discussion of MACC, INT, etc.

Edited, Jun 18th 2009 11:20am by HitomeOfBismarck
#20 Jun 18 2009 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default
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Funny how you claim the rest of us are trolling when you haven't provided anything useful to the OP yourself.

I'm not sure if you've seen the OPs post, but if you think providing yet another link without a direct and I mean put his/her nose right on the exact page then you probably haven't helped as much as you think. Kanican's LJ requires some reading and perhaps more reading than browsing 1-3 pages on Alla.





#21 Jun 19 2009 at 12:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Summary of Conclusions

1) +1 MACC ("Magic Accuracy" the stat) is equivalent to +1 Skill

There is some debate as to whether 1 skill really equates to 0.9 magic accuracy over 200 base skill (as is the case for melee skills). Statistically it is incredibly hard to tell the difference between 1.0 and 0.9 without a massive number of trials, so the current testing is unable to support or refute this idea. For the purposes of this post, I will consider them equivalent unless future testing suggests otherwise.

2) +1 MACC increases the chance to land the spell successfully by 0.5% if the chance to land successfully is below 50%. If the chance to land successfully is above 50%, +1 MACC increases the chance to land the spell successfully by 1.0%.

This makes no reference to any "base magical accuracy" stat. It only states that if you add +1 MACC the chance to land the spell unresisted will increase by 0.5% or 1.0% depending on the land rate prior to adding the +1 MACC.

3) HQ Elemental Staves grant roughly a 20 to 30 MACC bonus.

It should be noted that this 20 to 30 number has long been assumed on JP Wiki.

4) +1 INT is equivalent to +1 MACC when the difference between the caster's and target's INT is at or below +10. +1 INT is equivalent to +0.5 MACC when the difference is above +10. It is currently unknown if there is another "tier".

This is meant in the context of spells that are based on an INT to INT check, which is true for say Elemental Magic. Other moves like Paralyze rely on a MND to MND check. Even still more complex, the stats of the mob and player don't always have to be the same. Certain Weapon Skills such as COR's Leaden Salute are based on an INT to AGI check. It depends on the individual move in question, but the general concept is likely to be the same.

5) The chance to successfully land a magic spell unresisted is dependent on the level difference between the caster and the target.


Took me all of 5 seconds to read. Perhaps you're just slow? If the OP wanted more proof as to how Kanican came to those calculations, he would have to read further.

And for MATK,

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Magic_Attack_Bonus
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Magic_Damage

Though do go on. I don't even know the OP's specific question..but the point is trying to help > being a ****.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 4:33am by HitomeOfBismarck
#22 Jun 19 2009 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Though do go on. I don't even know the OP's specific question..but the point is trying to help > being a ****.


It's not being a ****, it's just being bored of these questions. It took you all of 5 seconds to find the answer, the OP should have found it in no more then 5 minutes then, instead of asking us to spoon feed it to him.


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And just to clarify, your reference to Kaeko's LJ wouldn't have answered the OPs question, and your second post would if they took the time to figure it out, which from the looks of them asking here, I doubt it'd help them anyway.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 12:27pm by klownzor
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In the past VxSote would probably give them the answer and then excoriate them. They don't leave the site that way and they are also more careful about what they ask in the future.


I had to lol a bit.

But yeah, I have little sympathy for people who can't spend 5 minutes to look around on their own.
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#24 Jun 19 2009 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Funny how you claim the rest of us are trolling when you haven't provided anything useful to the OP yourself.


Believe it or not, not all of us have the answers and some of us would like to know them as well. That does not mean that I cannot affirm that trolling has definitely taken place in this thread.

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It's not being a ****, it's just being bored of these questions.


Back button. Top of the browser. Not really difficult. Do not think that the fact you still feel compelled to respond for some reason somehow protects you from being a ****.

Alternatively:

If you were really, truly tired of the INT vs MAB debates and questions, one would think that you'd avoid potential stress and wasted time by simply NOT clicking a thread titled "INT vs. MAB+" in the first place.
#25 Jun 20 2009 at 6:38 PM Rating: Default
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That was kind of mean...

I can understand read the sticky, or check sues damage formula, but a blank search engine, while useful, will require a lot more effort and lead to frustration.


hmm...the search engine isn't blank. It automatically types in the question, brings up a lot of choices, all of whic work when you click on them. seems pretty useful to me.
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