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#1 Sep 02 2009 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Is it just me that has noticed sch gets ignored by most ppl on the game i can stand in WG for afk for a few hrs then check shouts and i see shouts for missions nyzul, assaults etc and i can see "x mission {Do you need it} ???/??? whm rdm {Can I have it}" or "x mission {do you need it} ???/??? blm {Can I have it}" i just wanna know are ppl still ignorant to what a sch can do or do they just ignore us.

and today someone asked in ls "any blm 61-75 wanna manaburn" I asked if they wanted a sch and they said they I'll let you know and didn't hear anything after i said that sch can nuke really well.

oh and last 2 things how many schs get asked all the time for haste just to keep saying sch doesnt get haste, and why do ppl expect sch to play like rdm always switching between healing, enfeebling, sleeping and dispelling?

i just hate it when ppl seem to choose what jobs they want to know anything about like ppl know what dnc can and can't do but seem ignorant to sch when they came at the same time.

thank you for patience /rant over
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#2 Sep 03 2009 at 9:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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I will get on my 53 WHM to teleport and people will ask me to party and I say I am done XPing on my WHM but I have a 52 SCH. Then they ask: "Can SCH heal?"

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#3 Sep 03 2009 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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I got told to "sub WHM instead of RDM because that's what all healers do" in a level 54 bird pt.. when the PLD (lvl 53.. and really crappy) died in the time I got off a Regen II on him (/RDM(fastcast) + AF boots)..

Left the pt.. and stood around explaining to them that at 54 the only thing I got from WHM sub that mattered was curaga.. and that I shouldn't be using that in a bird pt..

There does seem to be a dearth of knowledge about what we can and can't do. A normal bird pt, I nuke about once a min for 300 dmg.. aspir drain and enbliz the pt and cure (and regen).. and .. they want haste..
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#4 Sep 03 2009 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Not to be mean or anything but your guys servers must suck. On my server I was treated like the queen of Britain when I got around Colibris on SCH and these were all just pick up groups. When it came to manaburns I don't bother. Why would you want to do the blms desperate way for exp when you can get into a REAL pt easy. For mission and stuff BLM or WHM might be more required than a SCH for the lowered caped **** but on higher levels SCH can fill in the roles of a WHM defiantly and blm sometimes you just need to step it up and tell people what YOU can do. For merits I used another job honestly since haste is actually **** important.

Also for your last line
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why do ppl expect sch to play like rdm always switching between healing, enfeebling, sleeping and dispelling?

Its not hard... its pretty standard, just have /rdm. Your enfeebling magic stays high whether you have light or dark arts up, dispel can be used with Light arts and doesn't really suffer much consequences. Unless there asking for this at really low lvs (crawlers nest) in which case fk them!
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#5 Sep 03 2009 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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It is the scholar's job to educate the dumb masses




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#6 Sep 03 2009 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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Ya you guys must have some ignorant servers. On mine, I'll have certain days where I will get invites for random merit parties while I'm at an event in the middle of nowhere with no flag on as SCH. Back when SCH sucked, and I was taking it through a bird party, everyone loved me healing because they could get 5 DD and me as SCH and just rape the area. Stoneskin, Enblizzard, and cheap curing/regen.

Generally, many people do seem to not fully understand SCH. That just happens when someone hasn't played it or experienced it enough. Obviously, if someone has never touched SCH, and only sees crappy SCH play...they will have no idea what a SCH can do. Once they see a good one, they know. At that point, you wont get the "Haste Can I have it" comments anymore, or the "sub whm cause then you can heal" comments.

#7 Sep 03 2009 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
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thank you for the replies seems like its just ignorance on some servers and i dont wanna go into the times i have been asked to sub whm for -na spells i even got a tell from a sac in my ls that said "always sub whm in sky for ppp" i said sch gets it he said "only under addendum: white we need it faster" i was like um... i always have addendum: white up healing.

god i hate it when ppl try to tell you how to do your job when they dont know how to play it
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#8 Sep 04 2009 at 8:12 AM Rating: Decent
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I took a (regrettable) invite, and the first thing out of the RDM's mouth was "you can AE haste, right?".
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#9 Sep 04 2009 at 8:17 AM Rating: Decent
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I have both BLM and SCH leveled to 75 (along with BLU, but... it's lolblu). Guess which job I get asked to come to Dynamis on. Every. Single. Freaking. Run.
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#10 Sep 04 2009 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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alauna wrote:
I took a (regrettable) invite, and the first thing out of the RDM's mouth was "you can AE haste, right?".


lmao had a ls pt in caedeva mire i accession run to pt stoneskin then get amnesia and drk says "AOE haste instaid of stoneskin"

/sigh

ps i have also thought of writng a macro "SCH DOESN'T GET HASTE SO STOP F****** ASKING"
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#11 Sep 04 2009 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I, Like haleole, leveled a long time ago. Pre-level sync in fact. Ignorance of SCH's abilities seemed to be less of an issue back then than it is now. I have actually come across a SCH that was level 60 and was asking me what level we can cast haste...

For diumb comments, I humour them. Dumb questions, I make up BS answers. For sky, I don't heal unless we're dealt a poo-fan. But, with my performance compared to that of the BLM's I've been with lately, I usually tell them to emerency cure so I can keep nuking. I personally took SCH with the approach of making an extremely potent nuking job that can heal when the situation absolutely calls for it.

Haste is NOT necessary btw to cap EXP/hr on greater colibris. It just makes it easier.
#12 Sep 04 2009 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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lolscholar wrote:
It is the scholar's job to educate the dumb masses




BE THAT SCHOLAR


I know this was a joke (and made me laugh too); but there is a lot of truth to it D:


SCH is not a wildly known job. It suffers from the same problems of DNC, PUP, and COR. This are jobs that since they are still relatively new and very very rare; people just don't know what they can do.
They just go with their gut instincts and try to compare it to the closest thing.
For many COR is just another flavor of BRD, SCH is some sort of RDM, PUP is another SMN, and DNC is a THF/WHM (Yes; I've heard that u.u).

And you can't really blame them. Very few people get to interact with this jobs. Before I took SCH up, none of my leaders had any clue whatsoever of what we could do. Took me some talking, explaining, and most important: demonstrating; before they started saying "Come SCH" over my other jobs.

So it is YOUR job to educate your teamates. If you know that a SCH can do a better job at a given task; just go SCH and show them.
Like I said in the other thread; it takes a few casts of Graviga before all the mages love you.
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#13 Sep 05 2009 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
What server you on???

I constantly get bombarded with pt invites and always have my flag down.


The only bad thing i hear about sch is that they suck cus they dont get haste or cant refresh.
Well for once i am so glad we didnt get to be another haste or refresh ***** especially -ga style. I got bored enough with my rdm cus of this.
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#14 Sep 05 2009 at 4:56 AM Rating: Good
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cus they dont get haste or cant refresh.

Not bashing Scholar or anything, but this is pretty much the entire reason people (stupidly) look down on the job from an exp standpoint.

I'm sure you're all aware of this, but no matter how hard you nuke, or how effective your en-ga is, it will not provide as much dot or usefulness in shortened recasts as hasting everyone.
The annoying part comes in when you invite said random RDM or WHM and it turns out there absolutely terrible. You know for a fact that random SCH would have had a higher chance of knowing his job better, and in the long run, probably would have provided faster exp due to less retarded deaths.

:(


In short, East Ronfaure [S] and level sync were made for SCH. It is no coincedence that exp there drys up at 41 lol.



EDIT: Whoever didn't invite SCH to a manaburn is pretty retarded too. Aside from the fact a SCHs nukes are virtually identical to BLMs except more efficient, they can also modify the weather for everyone which becomes massively potent at obi level. /sigh


Edited, Sep 5th 2009 12:59pm by bimrog
#15scrish, Posted: Sep 05 2009 at 6:37 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hehe who needs a rdm when sch has access to stoneskin get a brd ballad x2 and sublimation when ever i have that setup unless the tank can't keep hate and its burning mp there is no downtime
#16 Sep 05 2009 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
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When people say they want a WHM, they usually just mean they want a main healer. Most people are flexible about it if you express your interest, unless the situation specifically calls for a WHM or whatever.
#17 Sep 05 2009 at 8:10 AM Rating: Good
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I have not seen a SCH in a merit party except one time. Everyone on my server says BRD + BRD ONRY. I am currently level 52 but climbing fast mostly from Solo and Duo. Everyone complains that SCH doesn't get haste and even my Nyzul static said they were worried about it since I am going to main SCH and heal for them and let our RDM come on a DD job. Here is what I proposed to them: I will come SCH and Member #2 will come DNC. I will heal and buff he will Haste Samba (5/5 merited) and debuff. I think that isn't bad. Yes 10% haste is a bit less and it is only for melee hits not for recasts but with the potent healing you get and the stoneskin you shouldn't be getting casting interrupts anyway unless you are main tanking overly often right?

Would that be a viable combo DNC + SCH + DDx4 I want to try it out in a merit party and see... The best XP/H party I was in was DD x3, DNC, BRD, COR. But I think that worked really well because the DNC and I live together so I could demand his WSs for extra skillchain damage. xD
#18 Sep 05 2009 at 11:01 AM Rating: Good
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scrish wrote:
however if i have a rdm in pt i will take refresh cos its more relyable over time


Not true, and you're pulling 40 MP away from your RDM to gain 30 MP for yourself *or lose 10 MP if you have relic body*.

In meripo, recasts don't matter when no one is /NIN. :-D
#19scrish, Posted: Sep 05 2009 at 5:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What i meant by refresh is more relyable is that with sublimation up if a pt is burning mp you have 2 choices to rest (if you have stoneskin) maybe slow the pt down or pop sublimation early and maybe not get much back and maybe still have to rest but because refresh is constant there is less chance of having to rest i have had a pt that bad that i have run out of mp about 1 min into sublimation pop it again and get around 20 mp back in that situation refresh is best but if you can use it and get atleast 3 min into it before to need to pop it again then it is better than refresh.
#20 Sep 05 2009 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent
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With your grammar (I had a little trouble following) I'm not sure if i totally understand your problem, but how is it possible that your mp problems with a RDM in an xp party are so bad? What is the RDM doing? Are you using strategems? I can't think of a single standard xp camp that I struggled that bad with mp, especially with another full mage.

By the way, you're totally ignoring the concept of "pt mp" and strictly thinking in terms of your own mp pool, which is what Banggugyangu was trying to tell you.

You should learn to conserve your mp better, if your problems are as drastic as your example. Even if you got refresh, it wouldn't do much to help the mp conservation problems you seem to be having.
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#21Banggugyangu, Posted: Sep 08 2009 at 10:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) exactly what I was trying to say, thank you.
#22 Sep 18 2009 at 4:16 AM Rating: Decent
I wouldn't say ignored, but uncommon.

On Fairy, majority of the time there can be about 1500 players up, 20 of which are COR, 13 are Pup, and 17 Sch. Dnc is fairly common nowadays, because of the small server/ high solo correlation.

In terms of Pties, its alot like my Pup where people didn't know what I could do, until I showed them. But in terms of exp, post 40 its been a dream.

Accession is virtually broken for awhile, Regenga II, Blinkaga, Phalanxaga, Stoneskinaga, Enblizzardaga, are really impressive spells. To the point, where I question the need of Haste as much in a merit pt, if you can negate majority of the damage taken by all the DD's with Blink, Stoneskin, Phalanx and regen on every DD, and the healer can refresh themselves, allowing the member to go /war or something, but this is something I haven't tested completely yet, but would love too.

Nin afterall, gimps overall damage potential for "safety"

However, Sch's Accession makes it pretty useful for just about everything, I'd say I beat out for a Whm most times because even now with the Scholars cap, and maybe a /dnc in the pt or a smart Pld or Nin, I can main heal a Pt with low DT and some cookies, while raking in a good couple hundred dmg a Colibri based off Enspells with a handfull of DD's.

Sch has alot of potential, but the lack of Haste is understandable but hurtful. People will only change things when you show them that it can be changed, and many people invite X job for what they've seen soley at 75 and not whats actually in front of them.

In the same vein that a well geared Pup is the best DD you can get till 50, is the same reason a Mnk can beat out a Sam, or War/Nin, and a Sch can stand toe to toe with a Rdm, Whm, and Blm in the right situations.

You are the Scholar, educate the unwashed masses.

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I was in a party once where we couldnt get above chain 8 - we had a RDM who didnt haste. Suddenly, he left and we got a WHM who did haste. Didnt lose chain until 100+ when we all had to leave.

Haste wont make or break a pt that has fantastically geared DDs, but it can make or break a party with "meh" DDs. SCH does suffer here. However, it can be (mostly) offset if you tell everyone in your party "hey, we have a SCH main heal, dont go /NIN, go /WAR /SAM /RNG /DRG etc for the extra DD and the SCH can stoneskinga / blinkga."
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#24 Sep 19 2009 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a question. How many SCH's put together a +enh set for maximizing enspellga's? Also do you take specific monster weakness into account or just blast with day / weather enspell? I'm asking this because most that I've asked in-game seem to just use AF and manifestation + enspell-whatever.

I know on RDM maximizing +enh skill makes a very large difference for full land rates (not just damage amount).
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I have a question. How many SCH's put together a +enh set for maximizing enspellga's? Also do you take specific monster weakness into account or just blast with day / weather enspell? I'm asking this because most that I've asked in-game seem to just use AF and manifestation + enspell-whatever.


Enhancing gear is rather easy to get outside the relic body, so I can't really think of any good excuse not to have it. As for choosing the enspell, it depends on many factors, the first being Stormsurge. If you have full merits in this, Firestorm + Enfire becomes your best combo. I suppose Thunderstorm + Enthunder would be a distant second, can't say I've ever cast this specifically for the DEX+7, but everything's situational etc.

Is the target neutral/weak to fire? Not Watersday? Firestorm + Enfire

Is the target strong against fire and weak/neutral to current day element? Enspell corresponding to current day + Firestorm. If Watersday, use the matching Storm for the Enspell instead.

Is the target strong against fire and the current day element, and has no exploitable weaknesses? Use whatever the **** you feel like that isn't Enfire/En-day element.

Is the target strong against magic? Is it going to be dead in 30 seconds whether you cast it or not? Does your party consist of 2-handers only? Is the target dangerous enough where you might actually have to cure beyond Stoneskin? ****, could you be effectively nuking the target instead?

Save your charges for something more useful.
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Weather / Day have very little effects on enspell's. Your talking ~2 extra damage possibly. That's why its always best to target the monsters weakness element so you get highest possibly accuracy rate (full land rate).

That being said, almost every monster I've ever fought has been weak to ice, or at least neutral to thunder. What does 5/5 Voidstorm do?
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