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#1 Jun 21 2008 at 12:11 AM Rating: Good
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I was just wondering if anyone else was encountering resistance from the player base. When it comes to SCH in merit parties, while I know lacking haste excludes us from the *optimal* setup, I've flat out just had people (usually bards) say {Scholar} {No thanks.} Just this morning I was trying to set up a KRT MNK party ( which SCH really shines in btw) because I was tired of ToAU and meriting on RDM. Yet again, the bard, Japanese this time, rejected without even knowing camp or party set up. It is starting to get very frustrating.

For all of the talk about Scholar being over powered, this is clearly one area where the job has not been accepted at all. I also find some reluctance inviting SCH to Salvage and N. Isle when I do pick up groups. The other day I did a 20F run and the leader, who was a RDM, asked me to come as RDM as well. Eventually I convinced her that going as SCH would probably be better than having 2 RDMs.

Is anyone having similar reactions?
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#2 Jun 21 2008 at 1:50 AM Rating: Decent
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well the realm of exp and merited has always been the source of a lot of job discrimination, so I wouldn't say anything is unusual there. What i have discovered is that players don't understand post Zilart jobs for the most part. I keep getting asked to do things on my sch that could be more easily done on pup, but there is still a ton of resistance to that job compared to sch. Sch is luck because the only thing new about it is strategems. Players pretty much know about spells and how magic in the game works, so they are much less wary about invited a job they do understand part of rather than one they don't.
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#3 Jun 21 2008 at 4:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well theres always gonna be a resistence to jobs that are not the big merit 5. Rdm,brd-cor,and the big dds. Sch, though we have more want in merits than other mage counter parts still arent rdms. And thats fine.

I havent had any real trouble finding parties, and even when I do Campaign solves that problem for me, infact half my merits in the last 4 months have been mostly from Campaign.

Camps like the mire and Mamook are very nice places to be a sch. But the token bird camp is already a bore and most people just want haste. And thats what it boils down to.


I had a party the other day. Me,rdm...bunch of random interchangable DDs and I had cor,sch and rdm available. Well the rdm asked which one would be more useful. Thats completely party dependent in my mind. Of couse they werent feeling sch but cor was all go! I said ok. We end up fighting mamooks...and they RAPE us. Pops on top of pops, quickdraw only has two charges. I died once, I think the thf died once, some other dd's died. It was a mess. People dropped, couldnt get people raised. Nightmare. Now if I had came as sch, they wouldnt have had the covented rolls but the extra healing(we needed) and ss and phalanxga would have been quite useful. I blood ported and came back as sch and we made more exp, almost double than we had before(which was kinda low to begin with)

Merit pts wont ever really accept anything other than certain jobs, and everything else is just a stand-in because what they wanted wasnt available.

Salvage, I've had good times in. SSga, Enspellga, have been really nice. The problem is a sch needs a lot to unlock before it can really get full access. Magic,Ja,Sub...I spend a lot of time kinda standing around. Once I get unlcoked then I start rocking. But usually I'm the last to get things which pisses me off.

And today I did Lebros Cavern. The rdm wanted me to go rdm instead of Sch. with sch having a higher ele skill, and less mp used over time Sch would have been a better option, I could solo the wall without much trouble but of course if people havent seen it done they dont think it can be.

With all new jobs we have to BREAK that mold and push to do things with our new jobs to show people we are viable. I leveled cor before the big SE super boost and honestly the want for corsair has pretty much stayed the same, thats just how bad it can be.

Side note- Anyone else with both sch and rdm at 75 find less mp issues with sch than with rdm? Both are awesome and I love my rdm, but when I go rdm now I just find I run out a bit faster. Maybe I've gotten use to it.


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#4 Jun 21 2008 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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But usually I'm the last to get things which pisses me off.


If your in a static group, they really should rethink their position on cell allocation if your usually last to get things. Ever since getting my sch to 75 and useing it for salvage, i have always been first magic, first sub, 2nd ja. The exception being arra when we get a double magic chest (we prefer to go brd + rdm first on magic since other cell drops can be bad).

Sch performs extremely well in salvage, especially on the early floors. The later you are getting things, the less the group will benifit. Yes you need a lot of cells, but after 1-2 runs of you having those cells, im positive your group will agree its totally worth it.
#5 Jun 21 2008 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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blood ported


Oh damn! Finally someone that says blood port rather than blood warp! I thought I was the only one!^^ You made my day^^
#6 Jun 21 2008 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
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RemoraManthra wrote:
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blood ported


Oh damn! Finally someone that says blood port rather than blood warp! I thought I was the only one!^^ You made my day^^


Well Warp takes you to your homepoint, and Home Pointing takes you to your homepoint, soo....
#7 Jun 21 2008 at 7:50 PM Rating: Good
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Sasaraixx wrote:
I also find some reluctance inviting SCH to Salvage and N. Isle when I do pick up groups.


Tell that person to read this and stfu.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/26917.html#cutid1

Scroll to the middle for the Salvage info.
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#8 Jun 26 2008 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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EarthSage wrote:

Side note- Anyone else with both sch and rdm at 75 find less mp issues with sch than with rdm? Both are awesome and I love my rdm, but when I go rdm now I just find I run out a bit faster. Maybe I've gotten use to it.


That is because of haste and refresh. RDM uses so much MP that refresh begins working against the RDM rather than working with it. Haste adds to this problem, especially with 4x cycles.

SCH has no worries of haste and refreshing and can ga any cure/na spell.
#9 Jun 29 2008 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
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For merit pts, losing haste is a big deal. By inviting a sch you either have to give up potential 15% Dot (or more) on all front lines, or invite a second mage. If you don't have a brd or cor, it's not really an issue. The other mage can haste, and depending on the player, pull, while the sch does cures and the odd buff.

However, if you do have a brd, rdm or whm is going to be better if you're only going to invite 1 mage, since they provide haste and cures. Even smn can give haste and cures. It's even worse when you get to the elite configs, as the dmg potential lost w/out haste is even worse.

Sch is brokenly strong endgame atm; I don't really think that there's much room to complain about not being the preferred healer- cause let's face it, aside from more MP efficiency and some unique PT buffs, sch isn't really that competitive in the field.

There are some configs where a sch shines, but in the average pickup pt, a whm or a rdm is usually better.
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#10 Jun 30 2008 at 12:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Sasaraixx wrote:
I also find some reluctance inviting SCH to Salvage and N. Isle when I do pick up groups.


Just don't go with those groups, SCH is the god of salvage, and perform incredible well in N.Isle too.
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