Job Adjustments (was =10)Follow

..maybe because the topic was job adjustments in the upcoming update, and the last few pages were nothing but walls o'text arguing over Convert strategy?

But while I'm here:



Have you even played the game lately? 90% of /SCH's benefits are MP conversation, and given that mages can get up to 7/tick refresh from gear alone, the utility offered by /RDM (long list of obvious things), /WHM (native status cures, Cure4), and /BLM (Sleep2, Sleepga, Stun, Warp2) become much more appealing than /SCH... heavy nuking scenarios are about the only time I opt for /SCH on BLM and RDM these days (assuming I don't need /NIN).

As for WHM... between 7/tick Refresh from gear, 900HP/75seconds Regen4, and +2 pants, MP conservation is the last thing I'm looking for in my subjob. I find that the much improved crowd control of /BLM due to Sleep2/Sleepga and being able to Stun incoming nukes/TP moves save me much more MP than /RDM or /SCH in the long run.

Edited, Aug 28th 2011 6:24am by LyltiaofLakshmi

Yes, I have. They're fundamentally different because MP and a cell phone battery are not used the same way. They are not comparable concepts.



So spamming Cure 4 on yourself when you're at full HP just to use up your MP before a Convert is stupid? Well, duh, we all could have told you that. I'm not sure why you felt that needed to be pointed out.

Thankfully, most people playing this game are not THAT retarded. They're throwing more backup Cures to give the WHM a break, or throwing out more nukes for extra damage, etc.




And you're still not saying why it's such a bad thing to hang onto a stock of MP until Convert is actually ready :)

If regular usage of Convert provides you with up to 3000 MP to use over the course of ten minutes, it really doesn't make a lick of difference whether you use 300 MP every minute, or 250 MP during the first 8 minutes and burn 1000 MP on the last 2 minutes. Either way, you're still making full use of the MP available to you.




Because any other way of "saving MP" requires either A) significantly more time and effort to generate the same amount of MP (example: in Abyssea, even 10 casted Refreshes on myself would not bestow me the same amount of MP that I get from a single Convert, not to mention the fact that only 4 Refreshes would fit into the duration of a Convert cooldown, or that casting just 4 Refreshes eats up much more of my action time than Convert + Cure does), or B) throwing fewer Cures, letting people die, and generally being a less effective healer.




Light Arts is pretty much only MP conservation to me. Casting speed boost is also provided by /RDM (and it is always functional, without having to worry about casting magic in the appropriate Arts). Penury faces the same issue as Convert (needing multiple uses just to get the same amount of MP as I can get from a single Convert), Celerity would be useful if I ever actually had to cast multiple Raises anymore in Abyssea (I usually do not need to cast ANY Raises anymore in Abyssea, let alone multiple Raises at once), Accession isn't very useful either because many WHM spells are already AoE. In many cases where AoE status heals would be useful, I can employ Esuna.

Dark Arts offers one useful thing in Accession + Sleep, but that still requires an activation of Addendum: Black, meaning I'd need both stratagems ready in order to use it. If I absolutely needed a Sleepga, I'd rather just sub /BLM so that I can fire Sleepga right away, rather than having to throw three JAs just to use it once.




Yes, there is. Already mentioned it in other thread, too. I prefer having my Sleep/Dispel immediately ready when I need them rather than require JA swapping to be used. And Convert is still the simplest, easiest way to generate a large chunk of MP back during fights in Abyssea where atmas alone won't sustain you.

I have /SCH leveled, I have used it before, I know its capabilities. You can stop pretending that you know the only proper way to play the game, now.




Again, in Abyssea MP efficiency is hardly anywhere on my list of concerns. Most fights in Abyssea don't even require me to use Convert, and for the ones that do, it's more than sufficient.




I don't need /SCH MP conservation tricks because atmas+Convert are enough. :)

And again, needing Addendum: Black to Sleep/Dispel means it might as well not even exist to me.

Edited, Aug 28th 2011 8:05am by Fynlar

Hey Alma no one gives a sh*t. If you run out of MP you use convert, is that really hard to understand, and does it really warrant you arguing for 3 pages in =10, then starting a new thread about it. It is a tool, that is situational sometimes you live or die by it, other times you never need to touch it.

That's because no further explanation is needed. Anyone who has actually played the game knows that your "analogy" doesn't jive (because, again, MP pools and cell phone batteries are not used in the same way), and anyone who hasn't played this game doesn't give a sh*t.




And again, why is that such a big problem?




Are you trying to say that sitting at 100% MP means that you're losing potential MP because it stops refresh from working? If so, holy sh*t, call the presses. You're on to something BIG here.

By the way, if you ever actually have time to rest mid-fight in Abyssea as a WHM, whatever you're fighting is a joke and you likely don't need Convert in the first place.




Convert is *a* reason to sub /RDM. Easily accessed Sleeps and Dispels are another.

And yes, I can use Convert as a reason. I've already explained why, too. It gets me the largest amount of MP recovered out of everything you just mentioned with the least amount of effort.

I don't know about everyone else, but when I'm healing on WHM, I want to be on call for throwing Cure 5/6 at a moment's notice, not screwing around and letting people die because I was casting a measly 3/tic Refresh that isn't even going to fuel a single Cure 5 by itself.



"Riding" Sublimation requires both attention and making sure your HP doesn't get low enough to the point where it stops working. Personally, I use Medicine Ring in Abyssea since I heal with AF3+2 body, so this isn't always a sure/safe thing for me.

Convert is just much simpler than having to regularly watch your Sublimation+stratagems and repeatedly fire Penury and Sublimation as needed. Convert is just fired once when it's needed. There is no need to continuously watch/use it in order to achieve a similar level of MP restored as to what Convert can give you in one fell swoop.



1. All of which are largely useless to a Cure5/6/Haste/Auspice spammer. The only enfeeble I'm regularly using on WHM is Dia. Generally, either the mob is a joke and doesn't need the enfeeble; or the mob is immune, close to it, or largely unaffected by it anyway.
2. And Convert provides more MP. More than one way to skin a cat.
3. So does /RDM
4. So does /RDM
5. Again, mostly useless to WHM, already explained why.




Unfortunately, that's mainly what /SCH is there for with regard to WHM; MP conservation. It has /BLM and /SMN soundly beat in that department. As far as sheer utility goes though, /SCH doesn't flat out win for WHM. It might for RDM main, but not WHM. There are things you are giving up on WHM by using /SCH; easily accessed Sleeps and Dispels being a huge deciding factor in my book.




5 uses per 10 minutes, and 5 uses combined still won't give you as much MP as Convert does. Not to mention the fact that doing this means no stratagems for anything else, so that means you're locked out of that Sleep/Dispel that you're so insistent that /SCH has for those 10 minutes if you're blowing all 5 charges on Penury.




I honestly can't remember the last time I've needed to cast a Raise in Abyssea, let alone any situation where I've needed to use several at once in a short span of time. That's largely due to the fact that I tend not to let people die to begin with, but even when they do, they're often packing a certain atma that lets them get up on their own anyway.




Stoneskin is laughably weak by Abyssea standards. Not to mention that I'd usually only be casting this for a single melee (yeah, I'm one of those guys who regularly tears things up in Abyssea MNK+WHM style), and I can give him a comparable Stoneskin by just casting Cure on him, which casts much faster and actually restores some HP simultaneously.




Yeah, it's totally unheard of to go inside Abyssea with an actual plan of what you're going to fight and prepare appropriately for it beforehand.




Again, anything that requires Addendum swapping doesn't exist in my book. It's simply too cumbersome to use for something that I could just have available right away without the JA juggling.




Guess what? I usually don't have any other support in Abyssea. Which also means I usually have no other person to throw things like dispels and dark-based sleeps for me. Hell, when I'm playing MNK+WHM, I'm usually dual boxing those two characters, so it's literally just me.

/SCH doesn't "trump" all other subs for me because it doesn't offer anything useful to me other than MP conservation, which /RDM already provides enough of in addition to other things that I find useful.


And you can stop pretending that these scenarios exist. BLM and WHM are in way more demand than RDM. Matter of fact, RDM isn't in demand at all, at least in Anyssea.

What scenarios? You talking about WHM+single melee scenarios? Because I see LOADS of people doing just that in Abyssea, many of which I suspect are dual boxing like I am. It's *extremely* common.


So, all you have is "simplicity", which translates into you being lazy, not because of pure simplicity, but because you're willing to forfeit so many advantages for it.

Yeah, I'm totally going to be losing sleep tonight over all those /SCH JAs that I have to use multiple times over just to equal one Convert of MP restored. I'm sooooo lazy for taking the easier, yet still more than sufficient option.


Unless you're a BLM, you will never be primary sleep. Unless you're a brd, you'll never be primary dispel, unless it's a proc, which time is irrelevant.

I'm usually the ONLY sleeper, so yeah. When I need to sleep stuff, I usually need to do it *right now*. I'd rather not have my dark-based sleeps locked behind some JAs, thanks.

So you admit that you never actually explained how it was wrong. That's cool, just don't pretend that you somehow countered my analogy when all you said was "nah-uh".



Let me re ask this question that you conveniently left out. The "right" way of using convert is gauging your mp to run out when your timer is up. Do you or do you not agree with that statement?



? - I said exactly what you quoted.




So, you agree that Convert isn't always necessary?



I'm not denying that it's a reason to sub RDM. I'm countering your claim that every other gain mp methods aren't necessary because MP isn't a problem while at the same time subbing RDM for mp gain. Once again, you can sleep and dispel with /sch. Your "easily" accessed is irrelevant as you will never be primary for those things unless you're BLM (which as /sch gives you dispel, under DA 100% of the time)

*note* I realize later that you are duoing, I'll address that down in the post



Wait, so are you arguing that refresh casting time is the difference between life and death now? WTF are you fighting? If that's the case, then refresh is the least of your worries. That's utter garbage.



So, like I said, you're just being lazy. That's cool, but stop acting like it isn't efficient, you're just being lazy.



1. False. there's a big difference between cure V and cure VI, both in hp cured and mp usage. I would much rather cast a stronger cure V than ever casting cure VI.

2. So, how is this about MP consumption then?

3. So, how is this about MP consumption then?

4. You actually didn't. Besides, you're jumping jobs again to create favorable scenarios for your argument. It's not mostly useless to RDM or BLM. 2 > 1.



Read #4 up above again. You shouldn't be the one sleeping and dispelling as a WHM. You're better off sleeping with Repose then you are with sleep as a WHM. Your deciding factor is backwards.

Why is sleeping and dispelling a huge factor for you being a WHM? Why not just be a RDM or BLM?

You're just being lazy. You don't want to switch arts.

*note* once again, I later realized that you're dual, but the question still stands in a general sense.



What? I wouldn't use Penury to compete with Convert, that's what Sublimation is for. You already mentioned that you're too lazy to operate sublimation. I wouldn't ride the Penury timer, it's the fact that if I need it, I can use it multiple times in a smaller time limit.



You must be really on it. Even when players take damage larger than their hp pool, you can prevent them from dying. You're one awesome healer.



Comparable? How so, having the same name? You can't laugh at stoneskin, calling it weak and then brag about the cure's stoneskin.. that's absurd.



Lazy.. got it. Which was my point. It's not the sub, you're just too lazy to play it right.

Guess what? I usually don't have any other support in Abyssea. Which also means I usually have no other person to throw things like dispels and dark-based sleeps for me. Hell, when I'm playing MNK+WHM, I'm usually dual boxing those two characters, so it's literally just me.

That's cool and I'm not denying it, just don't create all of these optimal scenarios for your argument. If you're a WHM dual boxing or duo with another person, i.e. MNK, /BLM is a favorable sub. In an alliance, it isn't, because you will have other jobs.

In your typical 4-6 person party, you're also better off as /sch if you don't have a certain job in the party.

/SCH doesn't "trump" all other subs for me because it doesn't offer anything useful to me other than MP conservation, which /RDM already provides enough of in addition to other things that I find useful.

It does, you're just too lazy to take advantage of it. Now, granted, if you're doing WHM/xxx as a 2 person dual, then /sch may not be the best sub for that situation. I have stated that /sch doesn't win in every scenario, but overall. If you were to look at the various different scenarios that ANY mage can be in, /sch wins.

What scenarios? You talking about WHM+single melee scenarios? Because I see LOADS of people doing just that in Abyssea, many of which I suspect are dual boxing like I am. It's *extremely* common.

No, what I mean, you aren't staying in one scenario. In one scenario, you're a WHM. In another scenario, you won't need x,y or z because there's a BLM there. You are choosing specific scenarios where /sch wouldn't be idealistic as opposed to the overall picture.

Yeah, I'm totally going to be losing sleep tonight over all those /SCH JAs that I have to use multiple times over just to equal one Convert of MP restored. I'm sooooo lazy for taking the easier, yet still more than sufficient option.

Except it's only "more efficient" in the terms of mp conservation. If you want to reduce an entire sun to that, that's fine.

I'm usually the ONLY sleeper, so yeah. When I need to sleep stuff, I usually need to do it *right now*. I'd rather not have my dark-based sleeps locked behind some JAs, thanks.

As I've been arguing all along, /sch isn't the best in EVERY scenario. Just because it isn't the optimal in YOUR scenario, doesn't discredit it from being overall the best mage sub. Besides, if you can keep people from dying from moves over 50% of their max hp, surely you can avoid link/aggro.

As a duo, you're probably better off going as RDM if you're so concerned about crowd control. I duo stuff as RDM + BRD and we do just fine.

Your posts are 10% argument and 90% acting incredulous about how stupid people are for disagreeing with you. Can we get a follow-up lock, Vlor?

Yet you're arguing against me with something you agree with. That doesn't make sense. Either you just attacked me because you thought it was the right thing to do or you're too stupid to realize that we're making the same argument. You choose.



That's exactly what I said.....so how does that make me retarded and not you?



If that's the case, then why care so much about sleep?



All of which you get as /sch, plus the ability to AoE sleep, asprir, drain, etc.



If your concern is crowd control, then you're better off as a RDM or BLM. That was his argument for subbing RDM, crowd control. If you have no problem with crowd control, then you go as WHM. If for whatever reason, you're having problems with links, then you should go as RDM.

THAT'S THE WHOLE FREAKIN POINT. People don't rapidly deplete their cell phone to use another cell phone battery because it's stupid, but you can. The reason they don't do that is because it's stupid. Doing so would be equivalent to depleting your mp before convert. You have yet explained how the concepts are different.

If people did deplete their cell phones as such, then that analogy wouldn't support my argument.

Before US cell phones became more popular in Korea, everyone carried 2 batteries just for that reason. Every phone came with two batteries because the battery life was always iffy. At any given time, people would change out batteries. Nobody purposely drained their battery just to use their spare. They used their phone as normal and replaced when low.



Good for you because I just realized that you're not doing this on purpose, you just really don't understand. I made a comparison how people DON'T do something because doing so would be stupid and equivalent to doing the action in conversation. You countered that people DON'T do what was mentioned in my analogy.. Of course they don't, that was the whole point, to show how stupid doing so it is. Instead of explaining the fundamental difference between the scenario, you just replied with "no one does that", which was the entire point to begin with.



Ok then, so you can't argue that not using convert when the timer is up is inherently stupid. You have just said that it is situational.



You being too lazy to use sleep and dispel as /SCH is one thing, just don't act like that others are missing out on it.

I made the note that if you're duo as WHM and MNK, then /SCH is probably not the best sub. I never argued that /sch was the best in every scenario, just in most scenarios.



So how is it that casting refresh is such a distraction, yet you're able to dual box the said same enemies with 3-4k dealing damage while not allowing anyone to ever die? Someone's full of ish.

If you have time to play two characters at once and not die, then you have time to cast refresh playing as one character and not allowing your partner to die. Plain and simple.



I don't see how you can argue about MP not ever being a problem and yet latch on convert so much. When I hit 80, I switched from /sch to /rdm. I realized that convert wasn't necessary given the amount refresh I was getting, so I went back to /sch. I'm not sure how you can admit that MP not being a problem and still act like convert (mp tool) being so important. That doesn't make sense.



???-- I was doing just fine with cure III up until Abyssea, so I beg to differ.



Uh, I'm asking you. How is fast cast about mp conservation?




Nope, I said /sch was the best MAGE sub job and I explicitly said that BLM/SCH was the best crowd control combination.

I'm actually going to stop here. I'll do the rest later. I'ts 0230 and I'll be up all morning responding to this.

Edited, Aug 29th 2011 7:18am by Almalieque

Short on time, I'll finish responding to the other post later.




I can give you that. The point being, if crowd control is such an issue then you shouldn't be WHM. Else, it's not an issue, therefore having to hit a JA MACRO sleep, if Repose doesn't stick for whatever reason, is no big deal.

If the guy is fighting mobs that is dealing upwards to 4k damage, it is impossible for him to be playing both characters at once, while doing crowd control, not die and somehow not have enough time to cast refresh.

He's combining various scenarios to support his argument.

Here now stop posting about it. As you can see /RDM offers more staying power when focusing on smaller groups using more single target spells, as the number of targets increases then an only then does SCH move ahead.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fjob=1&mid=1292239426278472421&h=50&p=2#68

RDM > SCH for whm sub most of the time.

Edited, Aug 29th 2011 7:12am by rdmcandie

Are we arguing about subs for Red Mage or Black Mage?

I'll get to the rest later..



I'm talking about the overall best sub for ALL mages. My argument is that /SCH is overall generally the best sub for any given mage at any given time. This does not mean it is the best 100% of the time, but if you had to choose just ONE sub to level, it should be SCH.

I do this every day.



For all your railing against laziness, presenting Pro/Shell as things that make strategems worthwhile to WHM is curious. WHM/SCH doesn't get Phalanx. Afflatus Stoneskin > Accession Stoneskin. Phalanx isn't worth the time to cast unless you're Whisker burning / Cleaving. In other words, Accession is largely useless for WHM in today's game, making /SCH's only real benefit MP efficiency.



Laziness has nothing to do with it; changing Addenda via macros with /wait commands takes 3 seconds minimum, and given that /SCH addenda spells are the kind that tend to be time-sensitive (-nas, Dispel, Sleep)... /SCH becomes a much less attractive subjob when switching between addenda is necessary, just as SCH main becomes much less attractive as a main job in the same situations.

When 2boxing, as I do and I know Fynlar does, these distinctions only become more pronounced. It's the same reason why Refresh is so very rarely worth casting when /RDM; 110 net MP over 2.5 minutes (when your gear is restoring 350MP over the same window) just isn't that great, and there's just usually better things to be doing with your time, like casting SS/Blink, running ahead and pulling the next mob, etc.

It really just boils down to the fact that WHM barely needs MP conversation from their subjob at all anymore; and if they do, Convert more than covers it, making Refresh a waste of time.



Actually no, as the penalties for casting out of Arts are double that of the benefits of casting in Arts. You don't do much research, do you?

Edited, Aug 29th 2011 4:15pm by LyltiaofLakshmi

But that is not true at all

WHM/RDM can cure longer in the majority of situations (noted in the link I posted above, that you probably didn't click.) That makes RDM the best sub overall for WHM. Not SCH.

Probably the biggest reason to /SCH doesn't even work with RDM, and since skill levels are meaningless in the majority of situations, the -MP cost is trivial, the fast cast doesn't even benefit RDM.

The only reason a RDM would want to /SCH now is for AoE Stoneskin and maybe Phalanx or enspells.

BLM is default, since RDM sucks at healing for the most part anyway (although it can heal +1 seals nm's and some +2 nm's with relative ease with an evade tank). It offers more in a group situation then WHM, and in a low man situation, stuns can save wipes.

BLM/SCH - gets nothing, at all. /WHM here for low man group play (until 96 when /RDM gives haste), /RDM for solo, and large group events.

/SCH is pretty much the worst mage sub for these mage jobs most of the time, it has some neat tricks, but WHM clearly is better with /RDM (click the link) For RDM /BLM and /WHM are about even and SCH can't match what they offer (Stona, Bar spells/ Stun). For BLM it will be RDM but is currently WHM for its ability to main heal a duo with an evade tank.

Stop posting your personal beliefs as fact, the ability's of all the jobs when subbed do not support your opinion.

Oh, since you put it that way..

They are the same.



It doesn't matter if it's one move or a combo. If you're able to duobox, crowd control and prevent your other character from dying from a 3-4k damage hit/combo, then you can cast refresh. There really isn't any way around it. If you have enough time to cast sleep on a mob that is there, then you have time to cast refresh when you don't need to sleep a mob. It takes more time and effort to sleep a mob then it does refreshing yourself.



You're right, it's correct because it's correct. I'm just stating the truth.



Think about it......

You are saying that MP is hardly an issue. Then you say that convert is the BEST MP tool... If MP is hardly an issue and Convert is soooo great, then chances are, other MP alternatives would suffice. Else, Convert isn't as great as you claim or MP is a greater issue than what you're making it out to appear.



Which would only matter if you actually had to sleep/dispel often.



You said all of /sch is about MP conservation, so how are all of those traits/abilities about MP conservation.

I was going to respond to each of your comments, but I'll just say that you're a tool.

You all can't say that MP isn't an issue then turn around and want /rdm for convert. That's stupid. /SCH offers way more crap for any mage job than any other sub can ESPECIALLY for RDM. If you don't suck as a RDM, then you should be switching between black and white magic and /sch is the only sub that allows you to do that.

I know a thread has gone downhill when I'm actually siding with RCD on something.

You keep saying this, and all it does is point out to those of us that aren't horrible at the game that you have no idea what you're talking about.



As I already pointed out, /SCH offers WHM nothing outside MP efficiency. Accession is useless. If you think otherwise, you clearly haven't played the job and are therefore talking out of your ass.

Alma, The only way you're ahead of your time is if the future involves the machines taking over and sticking us all in a computer simulation of 2009.

Edited, Aug 30th 2011 6:27pm by LyltiaofLakshmi

Fynlar 1 Alma 0!




Spoiler(granted i think I said this several posts ago, but gj Fynlar.)

You're talking in circles, we already established that you don't NEED them, but when you do, you sub BLM, not RDM.



No it's not. You said that you based your sub based on what the group needs. You said your duo partner is a Monk, so it will never change, therefore, you were referring to an entirely different scenario. Unless that is, you forget what a MNK is capable of every time you play and you have to research it to see if anything changed.



Why you think that is contradictory is beyond me. Just shows your lack of understanding.

The first quote said 100%, which means in every scenario. I've stated numerous times on this page that there is no one job that is perfect in EVERY scenario. I even stated numerous times that /SCH isn't probably the best sub for WHM + MNK combo. That does not in any way keep it from being the best overall mage sub. Crap, like I said in my previous post, it can be the worst sub for WHM and still be considered the best overall mage sub..

You're grasping at straws now.... I guess that's a good sign of you actually quitting like you said you were.




But you said that you don't allow people to die, so who's contracting themselves now? You're once again changing the scenario. If people ARE dying from those spells, then yes, any spell at that time can cause death. You claimed that no one dies. The mob doesn't know what spell you're casting. You are either able to cure or you aren't. If 5 seconds away from curing will cause someone to die, then it doesn't matter if that spell were cure, refresh, haste or protect.

So, you can pretend all you want that somehow the game favors one spell over another, but it doesn't work that way. 5 seconds is 5 seconds.



Not saying that it should have, just points out that you don't have an MP issue, because if you did, you would cast it. Convert alone wont cut out an MP issue. It'll help you in the times when you might be out of MP, but that's not the same as an "MP issue". Constantly being low on MP isn't the same as being low on MP every once in a while.



That's EXACTLY MY POINT.. You don't need sleep, so stop acting like needing sleep in the middle of a SERIOUS fight is necessary. You don't need it, therefore, having to program DA in your macro to sleep a mob is negligible.

If for whatever reason you're having to cast sleep every 10-30 seconds on a mob, then you have time to cast refresh.


It's really that simple, pick one.

Here's the thing. I never said it wasn't worth casting. I even said I switched back from /rdm back to /sch just because I didn't need refresh or convert. My point, which it appears you see now, you can't claim that one causes death and the other one doesn't.

The simple fact that you axed refresh from your spells to cast (which used to be the #1/#2 spell in the game along with haste) means MP is not an issue. Even as a RDM, I hardly get anyone asking me for refresh II. MP is just not a big issue like before, which means convert is nothing more than a preference MP tool, nothing to push /rdm over any other job. Especially when other jobs do just fine not being /rdm.



Please point out the contradiction because you're clearly confused. First of all, this topic started off as main RDM subbing sch. Fynlar came into this bringing up WHM. I still believe /sch is the best mage sub for whm, but being so doesn't mean it's the best in EVERY scenario. Being in a duo is much different than being in a LS alliance event. And yes, my LS (which i rarely participate in due to my schedule) does LS events every week.

My counter to you was even if it WERE NOT(not that isn't) the best sub for WHM, it still doesn't disqualify it as being the best mage sub.

If /sch is about MP efficiency for any job, then you simply fail. There's too many tools that I listed several times already that's not directly "mp efficiency". Unless I'm reading ffxiclopedia wrong, you get a better recast time but worse casting time with /sch and vice versa with /rdm.



Once again, I'm not arguing that one sub is perfect for every scenario. I'm arguing if you were to look at every scenario and tally up which sub would win in each scenario, then /sch would win overall.

It goes back to the race argument. One can argue a specific race is over the best given EVERY scenario, but depending on your playing style and what you do, just like everything else in this game, it's situational.

Edited, Aug 31st 2011 1:20pm by Almalieque