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#102 Sep 03 2011 at 11:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Are there situations when RDM could viably swap staves?
Yes.
Are there situations when RDM could viably use sword?
Yes.
Are there situations when DD armor is viable idle gear?
Yes.

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...Are there situations when DD armor is intelligent to cast spells in?
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Edited, Sep 4th 2011 1:59am by IcookPizza
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#103 Sep 04 2011 at 12:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Believe it or not Alma, some people get insulted when someone calls them ignorant, lazy, or a troll. What you said and whatever intent you had are only half of the equation.

I suppose you're too self-absorbed in your own little world to realize that.
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#104 Sep 04 2011 at 2:25 AM Rating: Excellent
Alma, there were actually a few reasons as to why I opted to "single" you out, and none of them were meant to entail any malice or ill-will towards you. Primarily though, the reason I did so was because when I receive reports on post content, I will often make specific reference to the person whose post has been reported, so there's no question as to who I am addressing. Some may find it embarrassing, but many times have I ran into people that would continue to behave inappropriately because they "didn't know I was meaning them" when I'd make a comment in a topic.

As for you feeling that the comments you made weren't insulting, just because you don't find them insulting or offensive doesn't mean that the person you're directing them to feels the same way. Though some people might just take it in stride or openly accept that they're trolling, there are others that genuinely dislike it. I mean, if memory serves, you took some offense to being called a troll in the past, so you can understand how others might as well.

My warning stands though towards everyone in here involved; though you may not like the other person, at least try to show some respect towards them and cut out the name calling or rude remarks. Not only is it hurting your case on the matter by being rude in your posts, you also run the risk of getting in trouble. Like I said before, I don't expect you guys to become friends, I just want you all to lay off the negative, condescending comments and at least be a bit more respectful.
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#105 Sep 04 2011 at 3:20 AM Rating: Default
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IcookPizza wrote:
Are there situations when RDM could viably swap staves?
Yes.
Are there situations when RDM could viably use sword?
Yes.
Are there situations when DD armor is viable idle gear?
Yes.

WOO-HOO I've correctly answered three trivia questions!

Almalieque's turn! First question...
...Are there situations when DD armor is intelligent to cast spells in?
*tick tock tick tock*

Edited, Sep 4th 2011 1:59am by IcookPizza

Yes.. When I cast 3 merited Slow II on a mob with Sabo+ esto +1 hands with a bard's elegy (gain mnd if I wanted), I see absolutely no benefit in carrying extra mnd/ m.acc gear to further enhance slow while meleeing.

ICP's turn... If every little bit counts, then why not go 5/5 slow II? If every lit bit doesn't count, then what's the big deal? Is that combo above not good enough to get the job done?

GO!
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Believe it or not Alma, some people get insulted when someone calls them ignorant, lazy, or a troll. What you said and whatever intent you had are only half of the equation.

I suppose you're too self-absorbed in your own little world to realize that.


1. A self proclaimed troll can't be offended by being called a troll.

2. If you are trolling, then you shouldn't be offended by being called a troll. If you don't want to be called a troll, then don't troll. That's not an insult. If you are intentionally finding stuff to oppose with absolutely no intent to actually agree on anything, then you are troll.

3. The lazy reference you made was actually me calling myself lazy, WHY, because I was. Just like #2, your only argument for not doing something can't be "I don't feel like doing it" and then get offended when someone labels you lazy. If you are actually being lazy, then it is not an insult. If you're just calling someone lazy just because, then you would have a point.

4. As for ignorant, it's all about the context. I didn't say "You are just ignorant". I stated something along the lines that x,y, and z explains your ignorance on the situation. There's a big difference. You are taking stuff out of context.



Edited, Sep 4th 2011 11:34am by Almalieque
#106 Sep 04 2011 at 3:31 AM Rating: Decent
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If you are intentionally finding stuff to oppose with absolutely no intent to actually agree on anything, then you are troll.


From the horse's mouth, folks.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#107 Sep 04 2011 at 3:32 AM Rating: Default
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Alma, there were actually a few reasons as to why I opted to "single" you out, and none of them were meant to entail any malice or ill-will towards you. Primarily though, the reason I did so was because when I receive reports on post content, I will often make specific reference to the person whose post has been reported, so there's no question as to who I am addressing. Some may find it embarrassing, but many times have I ran into people that would continue to behave inappropriately because they "didn't know I was meaning them" when I'd make a comment in a topic.


As I said, either be a professional admin and address everyone at once or leave me out of it. You can choose to do neither as I have no control over you, but it makes you appear unprofessional. If your true intent was to "warn me", you could have sent me a pm. When you single me out from a slew of much much worse "insults", you appear no different than the people that you are claiming to warn. Which makes you a hypocrite.

I mean seriously, read my comments vs the comments made towards me. Can you honestly say that I was even close to the same level of rudeness as the rest of these people?

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As for you feeling that the comments you made weren't insulting, just because you don't find them insulting or offensive doesn't mean that the person you're directing them to feels the same way. Though some people might just take it in stride or openly accept that they're trolling, there are others that genuinely dislike it. I mean, if memory serves, you took some offense to being called a troll in the past, so you can understand how others might as well.


You just said above that you had no malice or ill-will towards me. The same concept apply here. Just because someone took offense to something, doesn't make it insulting.

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My warning stands though towards everyone in here involved; though you may not like the other person, at least try to show some respect towards them and cut out the name calling or rude remarks. Not only is it hurting your case on the matter by being rude in your posts, you also run the risk of getting in trouble. Like I said before, I don't expect you guys to become friends, I just want you all to lay off the negative, condescending comments and at least be a bit more respectful.


Given the environment, I was one of the most, if not most, respectful person in this debate. I don't deny insulting people, it has always been part of the game here. I honestly don't know what you expect out of an online gaming debate forum. There's been so much worse on this forum, that this is quite laughable. I don't even think anyone broke any filters for Pete's sake.

#108 Sep 04 2011 at 3:33 AM Rating: Default
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LyltiaofLakshmi wrote:
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If you are intentionally finding stuff to oppose with absolutely no intent to actually agree on anything, then you are troll.


From the horse's mouth, folks.


And I've admitted at least twice that I'm not swapping as much as I should, but I do. I'm not creating various scenarios just for opposition.
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And I've admitted at least twice that I'm not swapping as much as I should, but I do. I'm not creating various scenarios just for opposition.


Well then, perhaps you should spend less time arguing here and more time working on your macros, so you can see firsthand how much of a difference it makes? Maybe then you'll have an idea why your arguments seem so flimsy to us.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#110 Sep 04 2011 at 6:32 AM Rating: Excellent
Alma, I meant no ill-will, and I apologize to you and everyone else I've openly called out to in the past like that. All the same though, regardless of who started it or whether someone feels that someone else deserves more severe punishment or anything else, you all need to settle down and be more respectful towards one another. Not just issues of going off topic, but the general condescending attitude that a lot of you have towards one another was the reason that I had to lock the job adjustments topic and why I've had to clean up a good deal of this one. It wasn't a matter of breaking any of the word filters, but just the overall negativity and hostility going on. I don't consider what I'm asking unreasonable by any means. Just be more respectful, drop the condescending comments, and things will work out better.

Edited, Sep 4th 2011 10:16am by Vlorsutes
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#111 Sep 04 2011 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Almalieque wrote:
IcookPizza wrote:
Are there situations when RDM could viably swap staves?
Yes.
Are there situations when RDM could viably use sword?
Yes.
Are there situations when DD armor is viable idle gear?
Yes.

WOO-HOO I've correctly answered three trivia questions!

Almalieque's turn! First question...
...Are there situations when DD armor is intelligent to cast spells in?
*tick tock tick tock*

Edited, Sep 4th 2011 1:59am by IcookPizza

Yes.. When I cast 3 merited Slow II on a mob with Sabo+ esto +1 hands with a bard's elegy (gain mnd if I wanted), I see absolutely no benefit in carrying extra mnd/ m.acc gear to further enhance slow while meleeing.

ICP's turn... If every little bit counts, then why not go 5/5 slow II? If every lit bit doesn't count, then what's the big deal? Is that combo above not good enough to get the job done?

GO!


yes but swaping to fast cast gear > casting in melee gear. Always. You can't swing a weapon while casting so the gear you wear that enhances that is useless. Fast Cast gear mean less time in cast lock and more time swinging. This applies equally to backline casting, as spells like slow do not benefit from -pdt, or -mdt gear, and should be used with fast cast gear still to maximize the uptime of refresh gear and/or nuke damage output.

There is never any situation where wearing melee gear to cast spells in is better then swapping to fast cast set (or other such as nuking gear on an MB or Cure potency for heals).


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Believe it or not Alma, some people get insulted when someone calls them ignorant, lazy, or a troll. What you said and whatever intent you had are only half of the equation.

I suppose you're too self-absorbed in your own little world to realize that.


1. A self proclaimed troll can't be offended by being called a troll.

2. If you are trolling, then you shouldn't be offended by being called a troll. If you don't want to be called a troll, then don't troll. That's not an insult. If you are intentionally finding stuff to oppose with absolutely no intent to actually agree on anything, then you are troll.


Edited, Sep 4th 2011 11:34am by Almalieque


Since these 2 are directed at me ill bite.

1. I am not offended

2. Again not offended. However just because someone disagrees with you, they are not trolling. Infact if that is your logic then you are the only troll here, since just about everyone but yourself agrees with what I (the troll) have been saying. Your merits are crap, your illogical arguments in response to proven things is wrong, and considering this is a thread where someone came for advice (admittedly some time ago) you filling it up with incorrect information, and personal beliefs that numbers and logic don't support, is going to get slammed. Welcome to =2 and the FFXI Zam boards in general.

Don't like it....don't post false information, and use personal opinion as fact when everything in the game does not support your position.

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#112 Sep 04 2011 at 7:48 AM Rating: Default
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Almalieque wrote:
IcookPizza wrote:
Are there situations when RDM could viably swap staves?
Yes.
Are there situations when RDM could viably use sword?
Yes.
Are there situations when DD armor is viable idle gear?
Yes.

WOO-HOO I've correctly answered three trivia questions!

Almalieque's turn! First question...
...Are there situations when DD armor is intelligent to cast spells in?
*tick tock tick tock*

Edited, Sep 4th 2011 1:59am by IcookPizza

Yes.. When I cast 3 merited Slow II on a mob with Sabo+ esto +1 hands with a bard's elegy (gain mnd if I wanted), I see absolutely no benefit in carrying extra mnd/ m.acc gear to further enhance slow while meleeing.

You really don't see the point in capping dMND?
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For slow? I wouldn't waste my time making a macro or my inv. Same with Para. The % change is very small.
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The bottom line was that Fylnar painted this scenario when in reality it was multiple scenarios. Just like when he said was duo-box, but then said he would check to see what the other people were subbing and tried to use that horrible save of "well technically 2 people is a group". That would have saved him if he didn't already state that the other character was a monk. So, instead of just admitting to being wrong, he kept making stuff up until he finally gave up.


When I'm dealing with someone who can't understand/accept how [spell] is easier, faster, and safer to perform than [JA -> JA -> spell] and only seems to be interested in arguing semantics all the time, my interest in keeping with the "conversation" fades rather quickly.

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Enough of this. Can't a single topic in the Rdm forums or even somewhat pertaining to Rdm not degrade into this tirade of flaming and trolling?


Welp, this is the kind of thing that inevitably happens when forum mods aren't able to simply ban stupid.

Most forums are like this (regarding their lenience, I mean) so I can somewhat understand the mod frustration here, but at the same time, I don't really see how you can be surprised when someone's being blatantly obtuse in order to **** people off and it somehow actually ends up (gasp!) ******* people off.

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I'm not gonna lie if I'm pressed for inventory Mnd Gear is the first thing I drop, even then 4 pieces of Emp+2 have a fairly good amount of MND/Macc/Enfeebling Skill on them anyway, and the Emp Neck/Back have 14 MND between them as well. I have a cascade belt which is another +7 MND with enhancing skill, and use Sagacity Lappas/Mahatma Slops for legs for Mnd/macc skill mix (Don't have Augur's Brais; Morrigan's is still the most Mnd iirc). Ammo is still only +2 MND. That just leaves Rings since Earrings aren't worth the -inventory imo (more so at 90 cap in terms of stat increase though but the newest ones are never on AH).





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Yeah, but you're not casting it in TP gear either.
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ICP's turn... If every little bit counts, then why not go 5/5 slow II?
There are only 10 merits for Group2.
To one person, "every little bit" can mean maxing 2 spells.
To another person, "every little bit" can mean unlocking 3, 4, maybe even 5 of those Group2 spells.

In other words... your analogy (to casting spells while wearing DD armor) doesn't work.

If your argument for wearing DD gear while casting Slow II is "it isn't a big deal", fine.

Just know that my Slow II will always be better than your Slow II. *wink wink*

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And I've admitted at least twice that I'm not swapping as much as I should, but I do. I'm not creating various scenarios just for opposition.


Well then, perhaps you should spend less time arguing here and more time working on your macros, so you can see firsthand how much of a difference it makes? Maybe then you'll have an idea why your arguments seem so flimsy to us.


Uh, I don't have to equip mnd rings to know it wont make a difference to a mob with elegy, sabo+esto +1 3 merited slow II. Are you telling me that it might or will make a difference? If so, that's implying that every bit counts, which means you should favor 5/5 slow II.

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Alma, I meant no ill-will, and I apologize to you and everyone else I've openly called out to in the past like that. All the same though, regardless of who started it or whether someone feels that someone else deserves more severe punishment or anything else, you all need to settle down and be more respectful towards one another. Not just issues of going off topic, but the general condescending attitude that a lot of you have towards one another was the reason that I had to lock the job adjustments topic and why I've had to clean up a good deal of this one. It wasn't a matter of breaking any of the word filters, but just the overall negativity and hostility going on. I don't consider what I'm asking unreasonable by any means. Just be more respectful, drop the condescending comments, and things will work out better.

Edited, Sep 4th 2011 10:16am by Vlorsutes


Even though your apology was not necessary, I respectfully accept it. As I said, I do my fair share of insulting people and you calling me out did not offend me. I was merely letting you know how that made you look to me by doing so. I will probably slip up in the future and I would have no problem with any "calling out" at that point, since you had given a warning.

My "concern" is that this is the environment of the forum. This is what we do and the level of this and the job adjustments thread are child's play to what is typically said in the OoT and Asylum. I understand that those are different forums, but the rules of respect should be the same. My personal opinion is that if you're weak hearted, then don't say anything. I believe that there should be a limit, I just don't think it got there.

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yes but swaping to fast cast gear > casting in melee gear. Always. You can't swing a weapon while casting so the gear you wear that enhances that is useless. Fast Cast gear mean less time in cast lock and more time swinging. This applies equally to backline casting, as spells like slow do not benefit from -pdt, or -mdt gear, and should be used with fast cast gear still to maximize the uptime of refresh gear and/or nuke damage output.

There is never any situation where wearing melee gear to cast spells in is better then swapping to fast cast set (or other such as nuking gear on an MB or Cure potency for heals).


Yes, because mobs stop hitting you when you cast spells. Why in the world would you swap in fast cast gear for a 3 second spell that's practically impossible to interrupt for a fraction of a fraction of a second difference as opposed to maintaining your gear?

I swap in fast cast for spells such as stone skin, not for slow II. You're grasping at straws now.

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1. I am not offended

2. Again not offended. However just because someone disagrees with you, they are not trolling. Infact if that is your logic then you are the only troll here, since just about everyone but yourself agrees with what I (the troll) have been saying. Your merits are crap, your illogical arguments in response to proven things is wrong, and considering this is a thread where someone came for advice (admittedly some time ago) you filling it up with incorrect information, and personal beliefs that numbers and logic don't support, is going to get slammed. Welcome to =2 and the FFXI Zam boards in general.

Don't like it....don't post false information, and use personal opinion as fact when everything in the game does not support your position.


1. Didn't say that you were, but that was the argument made that I was offending people by calling them a troll.

2. No, I'm not the only one. Go back and reread. THe simple fact that everyone harped on me and don't even recall anyone else in agreement is evident of your tr*ll*ng. Also, the belief in numbers of people must equal correct is laughable, especially given RDM melee history.

3. Once again, we started off in agreement, you just kept arguing with me in order to find something to argue about. This has nothing to do with advice or wrong information. You agree with me, but you don't want to admit it.

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You really don't see the point in capping dMND?


Uh, no.. What I don't see the point in is carrying unnecessary mnd gear to cast slow when I have elegy, 3 merited slow II with sabo and esto hands. If I were a GMG/TMG (Green Mage/Time Mage) then you would have more of a point, but I'm not, I'm a RDM. You still would be wrong, but you be less wrong.

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Yeah, but you're not casting it in TP gear either.


??? That doesn't even make any sense. If you're not casting in MND/M.Acc gear, you might as well be naked because the benefit towards the spell is the same. This is what I meant by purposely finding stuff just to disagree on. The gear I have on would vary on the mob that I'm fighting. Rather I have on defense gear, TP or attack gear doesn't matter to me casting slow II. So to say "but you're not casting it in TP gear" as if it makes a difference is just s*lly.

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There are only 10 merits for Group2.
To one person, "every little bit" can mean maxing 2 spells.
To another person, "every little bit" can mean unlocking 3, 4, maybe even 5 of those Group2 spells.

In other words... your analogy (to casting spells while wearing DD armor) doesn't work.

If your argument for wearing DD gear while casting Slow II is "it isn't a big deal", fine.

Just know that my Slow II will always be better than your Slow II. *wink wink*


Sooooo Are you going to answer the questions? I was specifically referring to slow II.

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Uh, I don't have to equip mnd rings to know it wont make a difference to a mob with elegy, sabo+esto +1 3 merited slow II. Are you telling me that it might or will make a difference? If so, that's implying that every bit counts, which means you should favor 5/5 slow II.


It implies no such thing; simply that if you can have a more effective spell for the low, low cost of writing more effective macros, why wouldn't you? As for the opportunity costs of carrying different gear, Rings are a pretty poor choice as an example; +7 in each slot is not something you should be passing up. Earrings, sure, those can go if you're pressed for space.

Honestly though the inventory issue is a bit of a diversion.. I can carry melee, WS, PDT, MDT, MND, and idle gear on my person with zero problems, and I have most of the very best there is to have.

And finally, basing your argument around Saboteur being available for every cast (and I've found it to be much better paired with Paralyze II when the NM nears low HP, especially if it's dangerous, even moreso if it's a caster, and furthermore if its spells get stronger at critical HP), as well as a BRD with Elegy always being present, is a little too situational for me to swallow; and this is coming from someone who has BRD on a second character.
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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
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When I'm dealing with someone who can't understand/accept how [spell] is easier, faster, and safer to perform than [JA -> JA -> spell] and only seems to be interested in arguing semantics all the time, my interest in keeping with the "conversation" fades rather quickly.


Again, if you actually used those spells more than on "occasion", then you would have a point. You said yourself that you pull any worthwhile mobs away from any aggro/link, so why do you need sleep so readily available?

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Welp, this is the kind of thing that inevitably happens when forum mods aren't able to simply ban stupid.

Most forums are like this (regarding their lenience, I mean) so I can somewhat understand the mod frustration here, but at the same time, I don't really see how you can be surprised when someone's being blatantly obtuse in order to **** people off and it somehow actually ends up (gasp!) ******* people off.


Says the guy who went from duo with a partner, duobox to a group of people just to prove a point. I've been consistent this entire time. You, along with some others, have jumped all over the place just to debate me and somehow I'm the troll....HA!

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It implies no such thing; simply that if you can have a more effective spell for the low, low cost of writing more effective macros, why wouldn't you? As for the opportunity costs of carrying different gear, Rings are a pretty poor choice as an example; +7 in each slot is not something you should be passing up. Earrings, sure, those can go if you're pressed for space.


This isn't about writing more effective macros. I've already admitted in a thread a long time ago that it didn't make sense not to macro equipment that I"m already carrying. That's what I meant about the lack on my part. I've made changes, but I'm sure that there is still some lacking.

I have/had a complete macro for slow II/Para II, but that doesn't necessarily mean I have the gear for them. Those macros were meant for mage mode, when I carry more mage gear than melee gear. What I don't understand is how Fynlar get's away with "I don't want to set a macro for JA" to cast a spell that he admits on never using on anything worth while, yet I'm somehow wrong for deciding not to carry and macro in certain gear for enhancements for slow that I can get else where.

What you keep overlooking is that I AM GEAR Swapping, I'm just not going to equip every piece of mnd gear to cast slow II. That's the entire reason why I chose to merit it beyond 1.

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Honestly though the inventory issue is a bit of a diversion.. I can carry melee, WS, PDT, MDT, MND, and idle gear on my person with zero problems, and I have most of the very best there is to have.


It's the same concept for not casting refresh yet still converting every 10 minutes.

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And finally, basing your argument around Saboteur being available for every cast (and I've found it to be much better paired with Paralyze II when the NM nears low HP, especially if it's dangerous, even moreso if it's a caster, and furthermore if its spells get stronger at critical HP), as well as a BRD with Elegy always being present, is a little too situational for me to swallow; and this is coming from someone who has BRD on a second character.


If I'm not mistaken, Sabo is up every other slow II. Brd is duo partner. I melee so I use ice spikes, not para II.

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What I don't understand is how Fynlar get's away with "I don't want to set a macro for JA" to cast a spell that he admits on never using on anything worth while, yet I'm somehow wrong for deciding not to carry and macro in certain gear for enhancements for slow that I can get else where.


Not comparable. You are not capping Slow II potency will full merits and Hands+1; adding gear will make it stronger.

You also keep quoting him on never needing Sleep for anything worthwhile, but I assure you there are many instances where it makes or breaks your effort. You try duoing upper tier Temenos without them, let me know how it goes. Or virtually anywhere in Dynamis. 3-man Einherjar. I could go on.

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It's the same concept for not casting refresh yet still converting every 10 minutes.


I cannot, for the life of me, see how.

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If I'm not mistaken, Sabo is up every other slow II. Brd is duo partner. I melee so I use ice spikes, not para II.


So your build requires that you waste a potent JA every time it's up to make up for your gear/macro shortcomings; I wish my duo partner was online every single minute I was; 5/5 Paralyze II with Body+2 and a respectable MND set ***** all over Ice Spikes, use Shock or Blaze.
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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
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Sooooo Are you going to answer the questions? I was specifically referring to slow II.
I answered your question in the first sentence... let's read it again; slower this time.

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If every little bit counts, then why not go 5/5 slow II?
There are only 10 merits for Group2.
To simplify it for ya:
I have good reasons for 5/5 Slow2.
NatePrawdzik has good reasons for 1/5 Slow2, Paralyze2, and Blind2.

Why is OK for me to max dMND, but not NatePrawdzik?
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I answered your question in the first sentence... let's read it again; slower this time.


Don't bother; it won't work.
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deleted because it is to advanced for Alma as it required and understanding of basic math.


I seriously doubt that you've exceeded me in the Math realm.

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Not comparable. You are not capping Slow II potency will full merits and Hands+1; adding gear will make it stronger.

You also keep quoting him on never needing Sleep for anything worthwhile, but I assure you there are many instances where it makes or breaks your effort. You try duoing upper tier Temenos without them, let me know how it goes. Or virtually anywhere in Dynamis. 3-man Einherjar. I could go on.


It is comparable, because that's the point. If you are *needing* convert, then you haven't "capped" MP either, yet you decide not to cast a spell that enhances your MP. You can't have this "everything helps" mentality when it refers to something you like (slow II), then turn around and say that +3 MP/tick isn't worth the effort to cast while using convert.

If you believe that "every little bit counts", then you should support 5/5/ slow II. If you don't believe that "every little bit counts", then I ask again, what's the problem?

Worthwhile mobs is the argument because he claimed that casting refresh could make the difference between life or death. That scenario is highly unlikely for anything NOT "worthwhile". So, we're either talking about a mob that isn't "worthwhile", where doing J/A + sleep, refresh, etc. is no big deal OR we're talking about a worthwhile mob where those things do matter, but not required. You choose.

I'm very easy to work with. I do not deny the existence of a scenario where you are correct. The problem is that the scenario in question continuously changes to support an argument. Every time I point out a scenario where I'm correct, instead of saying "Yea, you're right for this particular scenario", it's "No, because what about x,y and z (a totally different scenario).

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I cannot, for the life of me, see how.


I'll just quote myself. If you are *needing* convert, then you haven't "capped" MP either, yet you decide not to cast a spell that enhances your MP, because you decided that the cost wasn't worth the benefit.

I guarantee you, that you do not attempt to max out every aspect of your character. It is simply impossible to do. You wont have the inventory and you actually would end up hurting every other aspect of the character. This goes back into casting in a sword as opposed to a staff or a club. No one switches out a sword to cast cure because the benefit of the cure enhancement doesn't outweigh the TP loss.

It's the same concept.

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So your build requires that you waste a potent JA every time it's up to make up for your gear/macro shortcomings; I wish my duo partner was online every single minute I was; 5/5 Paralyze II with Body+2 and a respectable MND set sh*ts all over Ice Spikes, use Shock or Blaze.


How is that wasting a JA? Now you're going into opinions. Our playing style is different. I hardly play now that I'm in Iraq. I'm working on my wireless and a decent working schedule where I"m not at work for 14+ hours.

My duo partner is my brother who was on summer vacation from college, so he was on more than I was.

Honest questions here. Blaze spikes? Is there some hidden effect to it besides fire damage? Can an enemy get stunned 2 or more times in a row from only hitting you once? IF so, then what's the difference?

If I have to go 5/5 para II to make it worth while, then I wont have it. Given my play style, ice spikes is WAAAAAAAAY more efficient than para II. I would rather gear set up and cast para I than 5/5 para II. That was what I learned from the other thread I referred to a while back. Of course now that I agree with it, you all will disagree with it. go figure.


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