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#102 Jul 03 2011 at 8:15 PM Rating: Default
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Meriting 80 MP allows you to cast 3% more aggressively, when "riding" convert's timer.
Meriting 80 HP magically turns 3% of your deaths into close calls, always.

Trust me, yes.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2011 5:22am by IcookPizza


That is totally true, but not the point of the argument. What have you solo'd /BLU in abyssea? I a much more inerested in what alma has solo'd /DNC in abyssea. Have you done any of your own seals? Most of the mobs have high DA TA rate, RDM/NIN solo with a mix of melee/nuking is the best way to solo most of these mobs. Ive done Leg, Head, Hands for RDM solo /NIN as a Taru, with never having an HP issue, and that is soloing in my special blend of melee early kite/nuke late.
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#103 Jul 03 2011 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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#104 Jul 04 2011 at 8:46 PM Rating: Decent
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rdmcandie wrote:
IcookPizza wrote:
Meriting 80 MP allows you to cast 3% more aggressively, when "riding" convert's timer.
Meriting 80 HP magically turns 3% of your deaths into close calls, always.

Trust me, yes.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2011 5:22am by IcookPizza


That is totally true, but not the point of the argument. What have you solo'd /BLU in abyssea? I a much more inerested in what alma has solo'd /DNC in abyssea. Have you done any of your own seals? Most of the mobs have high DA TA rate, RDM/NIN solo with a mix of melee/nuking is the best way to solo most of these mobs. Ive done Leg, Head, Hands for RDM solo /NIN as a Taru, with never having an HP issue, and that is soloing in my special blend of melee early kite/nuke late.


There's a time and place for everything. Obviously /nin has it's place for certain mobs. I choose not to fight those mobs because I don't have /nin yet. For the less intensive mobs, I prefer /blu or /dnc.
#105 Jul 05 2011 at 1:54 AM Rating: Good
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Jesus.... that is not a quote of mine I want quoted.

I hope both y'all are the last two people to copy-paste it.

Edited, Jul 5th 2011 3:56am by IcookPizza
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#106 Jul 05 2011 at 2:20 AM Rating: Good
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What have you solo'd /BLU in abyssea?

Nothing besides that Mandy pop NM for Thoo/Thue/Thew/Theu Bomblet (gil). I bought Abyssea very late.
I haven't touched PlayOnline since January 9.

Does that mean I've stopped making daily entries in my personal FFXI notebook?

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#107 Jul 05 2011 at 9:50 AM Rating: Default
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More than ive done =D I just use my DNC >.>

I gave up on it, tbh RDM sucks at pretty much everything....even soloing. My BLM and DNC see way more mileage. RDM comes out of my house pretty much only to solo amber/te to make myself money.


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#108 Jul 05 2011 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm Probably one of the few remaining RDM 'mains' out there. Just too much passion for what the job is capable of to let it go, and I really don't mind the slower killspeed right now.

We'll see what SE does for the job at 99 and if it's not to my liking, I might pick up Blue Mage again.
#109 Jul 05 2011 at 10:45 AM Rating: Default
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If you leveled BLM or DNC you would not touch RDM again. DNC is bad *** melee solo crushes RDM, and BLM solo's circles around RDM now nuking.

I still love my RDM but the job is pretty effing bad in all regards now. (although outside abyssea I am RDM so it is still used a lot by me just not in abyssea.)
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#110 Jul 05 2011 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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I think you severely misunderstand what it is about Red Mage I love, but that's ok.
#111 Jul 05 2011 at 12:03 PM Rating: Default
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I'm Probably one of the few remaining RDM 'mains' out there. Just too much passion for what the job is capable of to let it go, and I really don't mind the slower killspeed right now.

We'll see what SE does for the job at 99 and if it's not to my liking, I might pick up Blue Mage again.


This.. When I get bored as RDM, I break from the game.
#112 Jul 05 2011 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
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If you leveled BLM or DNC you would not touch RDM again. DNC is bad *** melee solo crushes RDM, and BLM solo's circles around RDM now nuking.

I still love my RDM but the job is pretty effing bad in all regards now. (although outside abyssea I am RDM so it is still used a lot by me just not in abyssea.)

You sound a lot like a bandwagoner.
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#113 Jul 05 2011 at 2:52 PM Rating: Default
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I guess but having played nothing but RDM for my 7-8 year career kind of entitles me to do so don't you think?
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#114 Jul 05 2011 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess but having played nothing but RDM for my 7-8 year career kind of entitles me to do so don't you think?


No. You're not the only one who has played that long. There's nothing wrong with trying different stuff, but completely dropping a job every time something *better* comes out, is a band wagon rider.
#115 Jul 05 2011 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
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No its being useful to myself and others inside abyssea RDM sucks. You can pretend like I did that it doesn't, level something else and play as it you will notice how **** poor RDM actually is. Nw by all means fight your same 6 t1-2 VNM's and feel like you are accomplishing something, nothing wrong with that but RDM is pretty ******* ****** in abyssea. (As I said above Its my default non abyssea job however since it is actually semi useful outside.)
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#116 Jul 05 2011 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess but having played nothing but RDM for my 7-8 year career kind of entitles me to do so don't you think?
So you might've played it back when people were still figuring out what to do with it, and were definitely playing it when it was the belle of the ball and the center of heated debates about what constitutes an overpowered job, but not playing it now that it's only just as powerful or relevant as other jobs?

All that means is you sat on the bandwagon for awhile before you hopped off. Don't act like you've earned any special badges of service.

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No its being useful to myself and others inside abyssea RDM sucks. You can pretend like I did that it doesn't, level something else and play as it you will notice how **** poor RDM actually is. Nw by all means fight your same 6 t1-2 VNM's and feel like you are accomplishing something, nothing wrong with that but RDM is pretty @#%^ing sh*tty in abyssea. (As I said above Its my default non abyssea job however since it is actually semi useful outside.)

So it's good outside Abyssea, but not-so-much in it?

Considering there's a whole lot of outside-Abyssea content, I'd say it's doing okay, then.
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#117 Jul 05 2011 at 9:09 PM Rating: Good
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but not playing it now that it's only just as powerful or relevant as other jobs?
Thats it its not just as powerful, I wish I could solo half the sh*t on my RDM i can on DNC or as BLM/RDM for that matter in a muc more reasonable time, but it can't so it is essentially useless to me. In my low man its used in 3-4 fights 1 being shin and only because PEB is a gimmick that makes any job god for 3 minutes.

It is not good, its not a bad melee but it gets outshone pretty fast by petty much everything else including WHM and BRD. Its not a bad nuker but is out shone by BLU,BLM,SCH,PUP. Its a terrible healer. Its usefulness is minimal to say the least and its comparability to other jobs isn't far behind.

About the only it is good for is farming gold chests, but since ive been experimenting on DNC all day I get just as many TE's and Golds as on RDM, and I can solo a bunch of bosses while doing it. RDM and DNC aren't even in the same class.

As for my "old days" RDM I don't think you know me very well, I meleed 95% of the time on red mage, including endgame. That wasn't the norm, and I was hardly invited nearly as much as the true prima dona's of the job.

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#118 Jul 06 2011 at 1:20 AM Rating: Decent
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What he is trying to say is that he honest to goddess wasn't a bandwagon player before.

But he's most defiantly a bandwagon player now.

Practically anyone can duo in Abyssea, RDM is no exception to this. Is it highly desired in Abyssea? No. Is it adamantly turned away? Not if you're playing with friends.

RCD you're spouting the same excuses anyone who changes to popular jobs do when they switch. Play around, learn to make RDM more useful in abyssea. Hint, it requires some skilling up.
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RCD you're spouting the same excuses anyone who changes to popular jobs do when they switch. Play around, learn to make RDM more useful in abyssea. Hint, it requires some skilling up.


There's a big difference between now and then though; the popular jobs for Abyssea are popular because they offer concrete, indisputable advantages over others, not due to the changing whims of the playerbase at large. Skilling up RDM doesn't give you access to aga3s, AMs, 10/13 red procs, 14/15 blue procs, etc.

There's a big difference between bandwagoning, and choosing not to shoot yourself in the foot before you even leave your Mog House. If you have such a huge attachment to a single job that you refuse to use anything else, to the point where you feel it necessary to deride others for not hewing to your narrow view, that's your business, but don't start thinking that it somehow makes you better. Quite the opposite, really.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#120 Jul 06 2011 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
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RCD you're spouting the same excuses anyone who changes to popular jobs do when they switch. Play around, learn to make RDM more useful in abyssea. Hint, it requires some skilling up.


There's a big difference between now and then though; the popular jobs for Abyssea are popular because they offer concrete, indisputable advantages over others, not due to the changing whims of the playerbase at large. Skilling up RDM doesn't give you access to aga3s, AMs, 10/13 red procs, 14/15 blue procs, etc.

There's a big difference between bandwagoning, and choosing not to shoot yourself in the foot before you even leave your Mog House. If you have such a huge attachment to a single job that you refuse to use anything else, to the point where you feel it necessary to deride others for not hewing to your narrow view, that's your business, but don't start thinking that it somehow makes you better. Quite the opposite, really.


No one didn't say that you can't level other jobs. There's also a big difference between playing another job in order to have a proc vs playing it because RDM sucks. If your desire of playing RDM completely goes away because it isn't the most desired, for whatever reason, then you're not playing RDM because you like it, but based on how well it's received, which makes you on the bandwagon.

Everyone notices the degradation of utility of RDM in Abyssea.
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If your desire of playing RDM completely goes away because it isn't the most desired, for whatever reason, then you're not playing RDM because you like it, but based on how well it's received, which makes you on the bandwagon.


Sure, but the poster in question being accused of bandwagoning said nothing of the sort, so I'm a little confused. All it sounds like to me is a bunch of kids vying for the most RDM street-cred, and it's pretty ******* sad.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#122 Jul 06 2011 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Is it adamantly turned away? Not if you're playing with friends.

Read: Absolutely it gets turned away because it really has nothing to offer in the current metagame.

Don't ******** us Hyrist. You've got a good supportive group of friends but that doesn't change the reality of Red Mage's current situation.
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I think RDM's neurotic omniscience is sooooooo worth including in any alliance.
#123 Jul 06 2011 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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Play around, learn to make RDM more useful in abyssea.


You telling me what RDM can do in abyssea thats rich. Ii am quite sure Ive logged much more time stating the exact same thing over and over again.

Th issue is that it is impractical. It looks great on paper to be able to do a dozen procs with the right sub. But 2 piercing 2 slash , and 4 Blunt. It is impressive to walk around with Cyclone, ED, Seraph Blade, Seraph Strike, Earth Crusher, RLB at the same time.

But it is impractical. 1. Because the majority of those skills are subjob dependant. Using WAR gets you access to it all, but now you miss on Flash, Banish II, Banishga II, Or Drain, Aspir, and taking those reduces your weapons procs.

RDM is cluster ******* and not really any fun anymore. Besides the Head piece sucks, if im going to be eye candy while my friends do all the work for me I should at least look good.
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#124 Jul 06 2011 at 10:46 AM Rating: Default
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I swear, I'm going to teach you morons some day to respect the adjectives you pointlessly use.

RDM/PLD alone gets:

6 Red Triggers
15 Yellow Triggers
8 Blue Triggers

Swapping out subjobs changes up that variety, depending on what your group doesn't have, and what you're going for.

That's hardly 'useless' it's just inefficient compared to having the specal-

Oh wait, that's the entity of Red Mage for it's entire @#%^ing history!

Not being the best at something does not make that something useless.


The issue for Red Mage in Abyssea specifically has been the underlining root problem with the class since inception. It's a generalist in a game that calls for specialists. It only gets underscored when people only want to invite only 1 person for WS procs and 1 Person for Magic procs, and everyone else sits around on their *** while the two figure out what they need, instead of speeding along the process by letting those who can contribute on a wide variety of aid do so.

But this does not account at all for lowman situations where even in Abyssea, you can find use for RDM. We're just filling the gaps the party may have, as per usual.

RCD you think I know absolutely nothing about Black Mage and Dancer, when I party with the both of them on almost a nightly basis. They're great jobs, but I'm not going to level them just for one segment of the game, regardless on how people think how 'unfun' RDM is.


The difference between those who play the class for love of the class and those who are called 'bandwagon' is with the ease they denounce the job they once 'loved' over what the flavor of the patch. Thus, you are on the bandwagon.

Cluster ****** or not, When you're not hanging with the jobs in vogue all the time (or even if those jobs prefer not to ***** themselves out in such a way.) RDM will always find use.


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IT IS USELESS.

RDM has at best 2-3 procs on any given day for casting, and 2-3 procs at any given weapon specific time, and 1-2 red procs.

They have access to others, but that is highly irrelevant when Thunder III isn't actually a proc on Ice stagger.

Thats why its mostly useless as a proc job. Others have 4-5 of each type on any given day and time, RDM does not, hence its useless in that capacity.
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Hyrist you're full of sh*t.

People are perfectly capable of playing RDM for the love of RDM and simultaneously recognizing its massive shortcomings within the current environment.

Oh teh noes, he leveled a job that wasn't Red Mage. Clearly we must shun him for wanting to play anything other than our beloved job. SHUN HIM! SHUN THE OUTSIDER WHO HAS DONE NOTHING BUT PLAY OUR JOB FOR HIS ENTIRE FFXI CAREER WHICH MIGHT VERY WELL BE LONGER THAN WE'VE EVEN BEEN PLAYING THE JOB!

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I think RDM's neurotic omniscience is sooooooo worth including in any alliance.
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