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#27 Jun 10 2011 at 8:39 AM Rating: Good
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Using it as an argument for Taru superiority stat wise is silly, in the 'this is how Rog said the word' definition of silly.


Except when Rog made a new RDM after his ban he made a Taru for the very reasons i mentioned. So I doubt his definition of silly applies here.

Edited, Jun 10th 2011 10:14am by rdmcandie


Rog also openly admits to preferring the caster game and flatly ignoring his melee side. So while Tarutaru is a better choice for his game style, it doesn't add any weight to your argument.
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Using it as an argument for Taru superiority stat wise is silly, in the 'this is how Rog said the word' definition of silly.


Except when Rog made a new RDM after his ban he made a Taru for the very reasons i mentioned. So I doubt his definition of silly applies here.

Edited, Jun 10th 2011 10:14am by rdmcandie


Rog also openly admits to preferring the caster game and flatly ignoring his melee side. So while Tarutaru is a better choice for his game style, it doesn't add any weight to your argument.

I thought rog chose Taru for all the **** **** INT for improved nuking.
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#29 Jun 10 2011 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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He he, that too.

****, after receiving Magic Burst Bonus, even I've been bitten a little bit by the Nuke bug.
#30 Jun 10 2011 at 4:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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rdmcandie wrote:
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Higher HP than taru which helps live though links/better convert.


Agree with mostly all else but this Taru has the easiest time getting 1:1 converts. Which is huge when talking about convert, and since MP is the only stat that truly matters in a race discussion (in particular about a mage class) this gives Taru a large enough advantage to warrant it as best RDM.

While hume is more blanced stat wise, MP is everything when it comes to RDM, even if you are meleeing (even more so since you are in melee gear which often has no +MP stats.

For that reason Taru is statistically the best, however, play what you want, the differeces in the end are so small it isn't worth the time spent talking about it. While Taru might net 200MP more than other races, its 200MP that is seldom needed or used...especially in abyssea. (with ptoper mp conservation, keeping refresh up, and using convert when its ready).


Taru's are only statistically better depending on your playing style.

and as a RDM regardless if you frontline or backline revolves around casting spells. Like I said the bonus is seldom needed, but when you silently wish in the middle of a vert cycle that you had a couple hundred more MP. Then you should have gone with a Taru.


Nope....

As I said, it all depends on your playing style. For my playing style, Taru is at the bottom of the races outside of abyssea and irrelevant in abyssea.

It's fine that you love to be Taru, but it's not the best race for everyone. You just have to accept that.
#31 Jun 11 2011 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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But mithra really need to shave their legs.

I went there!

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For reals though, Elvaan woman, best legs, no question. Hume woman got a little boo-tay, though.

I liked where this was going. :(
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CarthRDM wrote:
SunriderRagnarok wrote:
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But mithra really need to shave their legs.

I went there!

ohnoyoudidnt!


For reals though, Elvaan woman, best legs, no question. Hume woman got a little boo-tay, though.

I liked where this was going. :(

Can you imagine if a Mithra shaved just her legs?

It'd look an awful lot like a show-ready poodle, what with tufts of fur here and there alongside bare bits.

Creepy.
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#33 Jun 11 2011 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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What's really there to shave anyways? If you look at the models, even the ones for the Mi'quote in FFXIV, it really does seem to be just skin and colored pigmets.

So likely the only things that need shaving is the same thing any woman would need to keep shaved.

In which case, Elvaan, the race that most resembles the french, probably got the most work to do in that department.

Still I feel there needs to be more intense research...
#34 Jun 12 2011 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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To be blunt, I don't trust the in-game models to be fairly representing the fur on their body mithras commonly mention. Meanwhile, fan art is just that, fan art often with a mix of justification they're not furries for liking humanoid girls with cat ears and a tail. Old concept sketches don't exactly help their case, either. So while some just try to reason they're tan, I look at 'em with a thin layer of fur all over... kind of like my dog.
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#35 Jun 12 2011 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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I just blame SE's terrible work with graphics in the early games.

http://img2.mmo.mmo4arab.com/news/2010/03/31/ffxiv_tribe/ffxiv_tribe_s04.jpg

This, looks like skin to me. Even if it was perhaps a question before, retroactively, I believe they just sucked at differentiating skin from fur on FFXI, and Mithra were actually skin with patches of fur detailed above.
#36 Jun 15 2011 at 1:24 AM Rating: Decent
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If I was a melee rdm, I'd be a tank so I'd pick Galka, or Elvann for DD.

mp > hp doesn't matter when your total hp pool can't absorb an enemy hit or combo.

To me at this point in the game, HP rules all. I think particularly rdm has zero problems with mp.

Really I'd pick DNC or BLU if I liked that playstyle you're thinking of.

GL, the real answer as listed above is pick what you like.
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If I was a melee rdm, I'd be a tank so I'd pick Galka, or Elvann for DD.


I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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#38 Jun 15 2011 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah maybe thats misunderstood, like lowman/solo tank, not some ally super-tank like we used to do ;; Good catch.
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solo tank

No, no. I'm pretty sure you don't know what that word means.
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I think RDM's neurotic omniscience is sooooooo worth including in any alliance.
#40 Jun 15 2011 at 3:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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solo tank

No, no. I'm pretty sure you don't know what that word means.


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#41 Jun 15 2011 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll never really understand how people say leveling makes racial differences less of a factor. If anything, they get worse. Sure, RSE is a stopgap in the 30s, but once it's time to jump to AF, Relic, or Empyrean gear, there's no magical racial modifier that equalizes things. Assuming this correct, the following for a RDM/NIN at 90 would represent a Taru and Elvaan.

Taru: 1041 HP, 797 MP, 72 STR, 79 DEX, 72 VIT, 79 AGI, 87 INT, 73 MND, 74 CHR
Elvaan: 1343 HP, 523 MP, 83 STR, 76 DEX, 78 VIT, 70 AGI, 73 INT, 81 MND, 74 CHR

On the physical end, losing out on 11 STR translates to weaker WS and other martial perks. Magically, Elvaan's are losing out on 14 INT for nukes for both damage and accuracy while the taru lose out on some MND for potency with white magic debuffs. The big gap, though, is the MP. If you're swapping gear, an Elvaan is losing out on over 250 MP. That's a couple T3 nukes, cures, hastes, whatever that a can be a factor in endurance fights (especially outside Abyssea without atma crack). Yes, knowing how to manage your MP is important, but a taru who knows how to do that will certainly perform better than the elvaan.


I play elvann because it looked cool when I first started. Thats how I made my choice.
Now for the above numbers:
You can merit up to 120 extra MP or HP or mix now. That closes the gap on MP nearly in half. Hp merits for the taru getts them ~1/3 closer to the elvan. I also rarely get 1 shotted by annorying NM's with hate reset (thinking of you Sobek and how many times you have killed a certain Taru Rdm I know) Nuking, sure the Taru nukes more, but 14 int is what ~30 more damage depending on conditions. (dInt etc) and honestly the only time I nuke on Rdm is for lowman procing. Its more important to land slow/para2/blind, which being white magic are based on mind.

Really race does make minor differences. Just pick the **** you want to be staring at.

*Edit* if you want to really be a melee Rdm, go level Blu instead.

Edited, Jun 15th 2011 6:03pm by Tepogue
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Merits are a wash since the Taru could just go 12/12 MP and maintain the advantage. Same with INT and so on. I know I'm Hume and went 6/6 HP/MP with full STR for melee jobs, as it's more beneficial overall, but really, merits should never be a factor when determining strength, balance, or whatever (which is part of the system's current ills). Just a bonus.
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Tepogue wrote:
*Edit* if you want to really be a melee Rdm, go level Blu instead.


A melee RDM != Blu. They are two totally different roles. Unless, you are referring to *strictly melee only*
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*Edit* if you want to really be a melee Rdm, go level Blu instead.


A melee RDM != Blu. They are two totally different roles. Unless, you are referring to *strictly melee only*


Seconded. Especially considering that BLU/WHM with refresh and Atmas is currently a better healer than RDM as well.

Which, honestly, I'm ok with, so long as we get something to give us some job idenity. Idealy, in the front lines.
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Choosing a race based entirely on one job is always a bad move that you'll regret later. For some reason, my research lead me to think that mithra would make good mages (really, I dunno where this came from) and I have been infinitely happy about my choice since the balance of a mithra gives me no weaknesses on either side of the mage / melee divide.

About the only race I would advice a new player against is taru, and only for the HP. Much of the game's harder fights assume you can eat damage of a certain level. A taru's HP simply isn't designed to handle it, especially mages that stocked up on convert HP to MP gear. Inside abyssea everyone gets huge buffs so it's not as a big a deal, but, much like we didn't see abyssea HP coming, who knows when it may end and we're lured into more conventional areas for new challenges.
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#46 Jun 20 2011 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Libel! We tarus hold our own.
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#47 Jun 20 2011 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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Libel! We tarus hold our own.


What?!? Every Taru I have ever know dies to AoE (if they aren't smart enough to stay out of it)!! Smiley: lol
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What?!? Every Taru I have ever know dies to AoE (if they aren't smart enough to stay out of it)!! Smiley: lol

I'm dubious as to the validity of this claim.
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#49Jajuzza, Posted: Jun 27 2011 at 3:47 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Again...taru>all...haters can die.
#50 Jun 28 2011 at 2:10 AM Rating: Good
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You first, cause, you know, you have terrible HP. ;)
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I dunno can't think of a single time i have died thinking man if only I had had another 100/150 HP. Ive died a lot to stupid things over theyears and it has never crossed my mind. But iv most certainly had the man if only I had MP for another nuke right now. Ive done alot of stuff and MP becomes HP a **** of a lot easier then HP becoming MP it seems. Or in the very least a **** of a lo more often and consistently.
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