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I just gave you an answer.

Well that was pretty much the last time I try to defend RDMs EVER. I seriously don't know what came over me, thinking that was a good idea.

If we can agree on anything, it's only that we can't agree on anything.

Ask your question and quote the relevant text to which you are referring. I'll try to give you an answer.

Now here's the definition you've been using: A master of X is a job that SE thought everyone would use to accomplish X, regardless of whether or not the game mechanics, metagame or class design actually supports it.

Did I hit the nail on the head there, or would you like to do a better job of articulating your position?

My argument is that SE designed jobs to fulfill certain roles, primarily to be unique. How the players decide to play the jobs is up to them. I would argue that SE never meant to pigeon hole a specific job into a specific game play. Doing so defeats the purpose of having multiple jobs with various traits, abilities, skills, etc. I would argue that they prefer diversity, which is the whole reason of Abyssea procs.

So basically yes, the summary I gave was the definition you subscribe to.

Those two statements are saying the exact opposite. Your statement says that SE designed jobs to do certain things REGARDLESS of anything. That is implying that PLDs should be tanks in any situation. I'm arguing the exact opposite. My statement says that SE designed jobs to fulfill certain roles (to guarantee that a job is able to fulfill it) but prefers diversity. Which means, PLD is designed to be the tank, but promotes diversity upon other jobs to be able to tank.

I've stated numerous of times that what the job was designed to do and how the job is played are two completely different things. That is how it's possible to be the "master" of something but not the most desired. The most desired can/will change as the game change and people do different things. That doesn't have any effect on which job was designed to fulfill a role and vice versa. Just because people decide to chain weak VT mobs instead of heavy hitting IT+ shadow killing mobs, doesn't magically make NINs a "Master" of tanking. That's determined by the design of the job. How you play the game determines which job is best suited for the mission.

All you have done is proven my point.
I would love for you to try to explain how that was poorly articulated. What else could I have done?

Well, do you not see the difference in the two statements?
1. SE designs a job for people to play it a certain way regardless of anything.

VS

2. SE designs a job to ensure that at least one job is able to fulfill in a certain role, but promotes diversity.

You lack clarity.

I'm no longer certain of what we're even arguing anymore, such is your cavalcade of verbosity and penchant for obfuscation.

State your terms with extreme brevity that we might begin our cycle of parry and riposte anew.

So's your face!

Interjection: For all you know, his mom might be hot.


@Alma

Let it go, (what would be the appropriate pet name here, hun? Ma'am, Lady? Casey Jones: "Ah, Princess!" ). The discussion isn't worth continuing.

Your loss. Typically it's a sign of familiarity. It's like me calling a guy 'man'.

The argument itself, however, has lost all sense of rhyme or reason. Save yourself the aggravation and effort, and save us the post spam, please.

Meh, it's just like dealing with my 5 year old nephew; nothing you say will satisfy him, trying to reason with a 5 year old is useless, and yelling just encourages him; best thing to do is let him run around the backyard screaming for an hour til he tires himself out til he's ready for a juicebox and naptime.

I think there's some useful parallels to be drawn here!

Who's Cid?

Not ringing a bell. Does he post here or something?

How many times have you mentioned "avoiding the question"?

You sound like a complete lunatic/lawyer.

Probably because he thinks he is arguing something that is important. I mean a suggestion (all be it a strong one) to level a more useful job, so you can actually make head way on something YOU want, is a logical choice, a suggestion to leve a job tat helps OTHERS (friends, ls mates, randos) is a logical choice. He can argue in his little circles up and down, with as a many as he wants, but in the end RDM is still mostly useless, and anyone who doesn't understand why is a moron.

Hell the only reason Xenith is 1/8 on his RDM hands is because I know him, like him, and respect him. Otherwise, wed have just gone NIN, WHM, BLU, BLM/BRD.

Hell the only reason Xenith is 1/8 on his RDM hands is because I'm addicted to mages.

Fixed that for you.

I thought you were past the denial step, judging from your game name.