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#127 Jul 06 2011 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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Wow. You RDMs are kinda violent these days, aren't you?
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#128 Jul 06 2011 at 11:19 AM Rating: Decent
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If your desire of playing RDM completely goes away because it isn't the most desired, for whatever reason, then you're not playing RDM because you like it, but based on how well it's received, which makes you on the bandwagon.


Sure, but the poster in question being accused of bandwagoning said nothing of the sort, so I'm a little confused. All it sounds like to me is a bunch of kids vying for the most RDM street-cred, and it's pretty ******* sad.


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Thats it its not just as powerful, I wish I could solo half the sh*t on my RDM i can on DNC or as BLM/RDM for that matter in a muc more reasonable time, but it can't so it is essentially useless to me.


To me, that sounds like "RDM isn't nearly as desirable as these other jobs, so it's useless to me."
#129 Jul 06 2011 at 11:33 AM Rating: Default
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"RDM isn't nearly as desirable as these other jobs, so it's useless to me."


It has nothing to do with being desired by others. I played as a melee RDM the majority of the time, that wasn't desirable. It has to do with time, my DNC can solo 5 Khalamari to my RDM's 3. In this immediate time that is 100x more useful to me. That means I get 2 more chances for my neck to drop.
It can solo PI's to sell way faster, earns TE's just as well, gets amber just as easy. It is clearly superior for the capacity in which I require it for....and that is 100% my opinion on something being desired not the communities.

BLM is used because as I said above we lost our BLM, since mine was the closest I took it up. Out of necessity for the success of our group.


And to be quite honest I was sick of being the clearly useless job there, leeching pretty much off my friends work. Something about that just didn't seem right.

So I got 2 things that solved both my personal issues with RDM, it isn't a spectacular soloer any more, and I am actively contributing something to my lowman group that benefits all of us, unlike before when I tried to look busy doing nothing, and like I said there are situations that RDM is clearly better in, and it gets used its fair hare of the time.

But really you and Hyrist need to drop this fantasy that RDM is at all useful or particularly good at anything at all (which it isn't).

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 1:34pm by rdmcandie
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#130 Jul 06 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Hyrist you're full of sh*t.

People are perfectly capable of playing RDM for the love of RDM and simultaneously recognizing its massive shortcomings within the current environment.

Oh teh noes, he leveled a job that wasn't Red Mage. Clearly we must shun him for wanting to play anything other than our beloved job. SHUN HIM! SHUN THE OUTSIDER WHO HAS DONE NOTHING BUT PLAY OUR JOB FOR HIS ENTIRE FFXI CAREER WHICH MIGHT VERY WELL BE LONGER THAN WE'VE EVEN BEEN PLAYING THE JOB!

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Here's the thing, it's the way he's coming off. He has the right to complain about the "shortcomings" of RDM. He can even say that he's been playing other jobs for diversity. But, when he comes off saying how useless RDM is as a job and how much better other jobs are doing things that RDMs are fully capable of doing, you will sound "seasonal".

The concept of RDM not being the master in anything has ALWAYS been the history of RDM. If the only reason why you're playing DNC over RDM is because it can solo better, then you'll playing off of utility as opposed to the actual job, which makes you band wagoner.

There's nothing "wrong" with that, but don't pretend otherwise. Just change over to what ever job simplifies your playing and don't comment about your previous jobs as being "useless".
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It has nothing to do with being desired by others. I played as a melee RDM the majority of the time, that wasn't desirable. It has to do with time, my DNC can solo 5 Khalamari to my RDM's 3. In this immediate time that is 100x more useful to me. That means I get 2 more chances for my neck to drop.
It can solo PI's to sell way faster, earns TE's just as well, gets amber just as easy. It is clearly superior for the capacity in which I require it for....and that is 100% my opinion on something being desired not the communities.


That's what I meant by desirable. Not necessarily desirable to others, but to you as well. I admit that I used the wrong wording initially, but I corrected it in the quote you provided. It isn't desirable to you because you get a whole TWO additional kills.

That's perfectly cool, but at this time, you're not playing for the love of the job, but what can give you the best outcome at the time. Which means, if SE were to come out with a patch that allowed RDMs to solo 6 Khalamari's to your DNC 5, then you would switch back to RDM, which by definition makes you a band wagoner.

That's cool, just don't pretend otherwise.

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And to be quite honest I was sick of being the clearly useless job there, leeching pretty much off my friends work. Something about that just didn't seem right.


You have to differentiate between the job being useless and you being useless.
#132 Jul 06 2011 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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All I'm hearing is "play Red Mage or we will give you a hard time for playing jobs that can actually contribute in the current metagame because we are petty and spiteful."
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#133 Jul 06 2011 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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SE were to come out with a patch that allowed RDMs to solo 6 Khalamari's to your DNC 5, then you would switch back to RDM, which by definition makes you a band wagoner.


No I don't think it does, it makes me smart. Probably smarter than you. Abyssea time isn't free, even though I have over 400 stones, I burn them like candy on NM's, Soloing faster allows me to get the items I want/need, with time remaining to do stuff with/for my friends on a useful job to help them/us out. Then at the end of the day when we get to big nasty stuff I pull out my RDM because 40-50K Sanguine Blades rock sh*t pretty good.

So you don't really talking about. RDM capacity is useless because it is too slow, and not equipped with useful mechanics. However it is hella useful in many situations.

Obviously you have not played another job at 90 to experience just how useless and mundane RDM really is. You should you would likely have more fun actually getting sh*t accomplished, instead of pretending or leeching it.

I really don't think you know what bandwagon jumping really is. Im a red wings fan, I cheered San Jose on after they won, because Joe Thornton is from my home town, and if they won it would drastically increase my chances of seeing the Stanley Cup outside the HHOF. Does that make me a band wagon jumper? (even though the Red Wings still remain my favorite team, just like RDM is my favorite job, but both were useless to me at somepoint).

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#134 Jul 06 2011 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Swapping out subjobs changes up that variety, depending on what your group doesn't have, and what you're going for.


Except, nobody who has any clue whatsoever about Abyssea takes a group in which RDM's procs would be nothing more than redundant.

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The difference between those who play the class for love of the class and those who are called 'bandwagon' is with the ease they denounce the job they once 'loved' over what the flavor of the patch. Thus, you are on the bandwagon.


No, you're ******* stupid. I see a lot of this 'love' word being tossed around, and it's kind of disturbing. If you think 'love' means ignoring something's obvious flaws and shortcomings in a particular situation, well, I wish you luck in RL.

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The concept of RDM not being the master in anything has ALWAYS been the history of RDM.


No, actually, this has pretty much NEVER been the case for RDM. It has always been the best soloer due to its' survivability, and until the Afflatus patch, it was undisputably the best healer. If anything, RDM is more balanced against other jobs now than it ever has been; the downside is that RDM's true specialty of Enfeebling is just not very necessary at this point.

Basically, the only real use for RDM at this point is for soloing insanely powerful things that no other job would stand a chance against; anything else, sure RDM can be useful, but whatever it is, guaranteed, another job will do it faster/better. Choosing not to use RDM in these situations in favor of another job that will get the job done faster does not make one less of a RDM, or mean that you 'love' the job less than the guy who stubbornly uses RDM for everything (although, it certainly makes you smarter than them).

Hyrist, you especially, wow. After reading a month of your posts highlighting how little you know about the game at this point, it's kinda amusing to see you getting all high-handed with people like you're King **** of **** Mountain. A little knowledge is indeed a dangerous thing, it seems.
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#135 Jul 06 2011 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wow. You RDMs are kinda violent these days, aren't you?

You take that back or I'll violence you!
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#136 Jul 06 2011 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Basically, the only real use for RDM at this point is for soloing insanely powerful things that no other job would stand a chance against; anything else, sure RDM can be useful, but whatever it is, guaranteed, another job will do it faster/better. Choosing not to use RDM in these situations in favor of another job that will get the job done faster does not make one less of a RDM, or mean that you 'love' the job less than the guy who stubbornly uses RDM for everything (although, it certainly makes you smarter than them).


Pretty much this its the same reason I use my RDM to brew and not my DNC or BLM, it is better equipped to get the most from a brew. Its also better equipped for nonabyssea related events (such as voidwatch). But that is besides the point.

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#137 Jul 06 2011 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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High handed? No, ****** off at the negative connotation everyone has vs Red Mage? **** straight.

RCD especially knows how nasty I can get to those who are like "lolzrdmsux" when it can be made to work. He was here, less than two years ago, nailing people as well for the blue mage argument.

And here he is on the bandwagon preaching again for the other team.

I'll put it bluntly, so you all understand. Red Mage is NOT USELESS. Piratical when you have 10-15 jobs leveled to 90? Yes. But this is the same argument that was made against Red Mage from it's inception. The only difference is, is that it's no longer in vogue as a Cure/Haste bot.

Nothing Has changed about the job in 7-8 years. And that's part of the problem.

That doesn't make the job useless. It's black or white for them. You can argue the problems with what uses we have until nothing makes sense anymore, but that still does not negate the use, that just acknowledges the difficulty.

"Go Dancer and Black mage and you'll never touch Red Mage again."

This is bandwagon, and it's the exact point where RCD crossed the line with me. You do not tell me what jobs I should play, period, especially in the forum dedicated to the job you're insulting. So what that with the right Atmas, BLM and DNC and BLU can devastate RDM in solo. I'm fairly sure Blue Mage can blow my RDM out of the water when it comes to soloing my Sword Trials too. I didn't play Red Mage to be the best at everything. And if my class has difficulty being useful in specific areas, then I need to adjust my playstyle to make the most of what I can offer. I have friends that are supportive of that, and that is why they remain friends. We play our jobs for love of the job, not love of 'this is the best performance for this event'.

If I do take up another job, likely blue mage, it's for love of the job's premise, not it's performance.

No matter how broken Red Mage is, I still love the job and I still find ways of making it work. That's not saying it's not broken and in desperate need of some unique contribution that's valid in Abyssea as well. That's telling the nitwits to quit with the retarded absolutist terms that I have always hated no matter what job was out of style. I've hated every single 'lol' stigma in this game with the same amount of passion. It's absolutely nothing new, and you guys should not be shocked by it.

It's a matter of pushing individual performance vs job performance. And if you're going to go so far and insult the job that you've enjoyed for years on end, you're going to get called a bandwagon player for it. Sorry, them's the breaks.
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RCD especially knows how nasty I can get to those who are like "lolzrdmsux" when it can be made to work.

See that last part there? I'm not sure you quite grasp the significance of it. If it has to be "made to work", that means it doesn't function adequately under normal circumstances and suggests that something is wrong.

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And here he is on the bandwagon preaching again for the other team.

Or maybe he's just coming to terms with the reality of the situation.

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I'll put it bluntly, so you all understand. Red Mage is NOT USELESS.

A DD with nothing but auto-attack for less damage than every other job in the game wouldn't be entirely useless either. That doesn't mean you should be defending it as being USEFUL.

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Nothing Has changed about the job in 7-8 years. And that's part of the problem.

No, but the metagame changed and that directly affects the utility of the job.

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That doesn't make the job useless. It's black or white for them. You can argue the problems with what uses we have until nothing makes sense anymore, but that still does not negate the use, that just acknowledges the difficulty.

In a world where superior options are plentiful and readily available, why would a party choose the inferior option?

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"Go Dancer and Black mage and you'll never touch Red Mage again."

This is bandwagon, and it's the exact point where RCD crossed the line with me. You do not tell me what jobs I should play, period, especially in the forum dedicated to the job you're insulting.

And who the **** are you to say you're the authority on what he should be playing and what constitutes a bandwagon player? You want to know what's insulting? You hurling the term "bandwagon" at someone who's played Red Mage for his whole ******* FFXI career.

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I didn't play Red Mage to be the best at everything. And if my class has difficulty being useful in specific areas, then I need to adjust my playstyle to make the most of what I can offer. I have friends that are supportive of that, and that is why they remain friends. We play our jobs for love of the job, not love of 'this is the best performance for this event'.

This is pretty much a textbook definition of a scrub. You can bang on all day about how you can "make it work", but at the end of the day, we're still playing an inferior job for the current metagame. It's ok to do that, but you have to recognize and accept that without sticking your head in the sand and screaming "La la la I can't hear you" every time someone brings it up.

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No matter how broken Red Mage is, I still love the job and I still find ways of making it work. That's not saying it's not broken and in desperate need of some unique contribution that's valid in Abyssea as well. That's telling the nitwits to quit with the retarded absolutist terms that I have always hated no matter what job was out of style. I've hated every single 'lol' stigma in this game with the same amount of passion. It's absolutely nothing new, and you guys should not be shocked by it.

Agreed. loljob stigmas are bad, but you need to remember that there is a reason they exist.

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It's a matter of pushing individual performance vs job performance. And if you're going to go so far and insult the job that you've enjoyed for years on end, you're going to get called a bandwagon player for it. Sorry, them's the breaks.

And you're still going to be wrong about it.

TL;DR: Hyrist has his pants on his head. Leveling another job is not the same as riding the bandwagon.
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TL;DR: Hyrist has his pants on his head. Leveling another job is not the same as riding the bandwagon.


Especially when the main use job (DNC) is hardly a popular job people shot for, and the BLM, well ive explained that one, shell needs procs, ill do procs, what kind of friend would I be if I didn't fill the void hmm? Especially after 4 months of essentially leeching abyssea.
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Not to derail, but shouldn't we be thankful for bandwagoners, anyway?

For every person that leaves RDM for another job(s), Square Enix is that much closer to updating RDM.

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For whatever its worth, sometimes you have to look past RCD's exaggerations (God bless him) to see the constructiveness in what he's saying.

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For every person that leaves RDM for another job(s), Square Enix is that much closer to updating RDM.


7 years of that job waxing in popularity (then sharply waning) and degrading in utility, and massive arguments surrounding the job resulted in a single update that was hardly game changing. The level cap increase thus far has only provided us with tier ups (Nukes and Refresh only) and a JA we should have had level 30, five years ago. Only thing we can raise an eyebrow to is Gain Spells, but Boost Spells drown that out completely. I'm not hoping for some miracle patch that suddenly makes us popular in Abyssea. The way of making RDM's trademark contributions useful in Abyssea involves some rather substantial mechanic changes, to Abyssea or the job. (Can start by removing EX restrictions on weapons, period. That'd actually help a lot of jobs.)

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For whatever its worth, sometimes you have to look past RCD's exaggerations (God bless him) to see the constructiveness in what he's saying.


Yet nobody would pay me the same kindness?

Sorry but the constructiveness in what he is saying is "Don't Play Red Mage."

There is no argument other than that. I called him a bandwagon player for exaggerating the way he has and nothing more. Every bloody argument people have put up here is valid until they say something absolute terms, in which case I get very angry because all of it is overblown ******** without any mention of solutions (Besides chicken-sh*tting out and playing a different job).

Would be nice if one of them chimed in "Hey our proc list sucks, SE could make that better by making our Merit Spells proc, or give job specific WSes a high chance of procing in Abyssea." Or "We've got a short Blue/Red list, best to try out your NMs during this day/hour if you're stuck playing RDM." No, there's no ideas, there's no constructive thinking, no improvisation. It's just hate, and I'm sick of that attitude in general, no matter what community, no matter what subject. There's always the haters ruining an otherwise good time.

I get it, Abyssea without getting Cure V left a bitter taste in a lot of RDM's mouths. But unless you really test and explore the problems/difficulties in depth, you're never going to come out with anything but a shallow solution to recommend. In the meanwhile, those that do stick to RDM have to make do. Don't contribute to their ****.




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I get it, Abyssea without getting Cure V left a bitter taste in a lot of RDM's mouths. But unless you really test and explore the problems/difficulties in depth, you're never going to come out with anything but a shallow solution to recommend. In the meanwhile, those that do stick to RDM have to make do. Don't contribute to their ****.


Shallow solution? Shallow is being the douche in the group that everyone knows is useless but because they are your friends probably don't say anything. That is Shallow, you contribute next to nothing to a group, yet likely reap the rewards of their hardconsistent work. Maybe that BLM wants to play his PUP sometime, or the WAR play WHM. You being shallow is limiting the ability for your friends to possibly do something more enjoyable and still maintain reletive success in abyssea.

Hate to say but you are being a douche and I was the same way until about a month ago when I thought you know what Im leeching of my friends, so I can have "fun". Call it bandwagoning if you want. Your the leech who doesn't see himself as a leech.

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Call it bandwagoning if you want. Your the leech who doesn't see himself as a leech.


This is the crux of the problem. Red Mage brings absolutely nothing to the table anymore.
Nothing.

Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. The big goose egg.

We used to bring MP endurance and the odd enfeeble. Now everyone has MP endurance, enfeebles are flat out resisted or unnecessary and the rest of our bag of tricks which was previously adequate is now woefully inferior to everyone else's.

What precisely are you contributing to your group Hyrist? Because whenever I take Red Mage to Abyssea it just ends with me sitting on my hands or throwing a handful of spot cures over the entire battle. There's not much left for us to do in the current metagame. So again, what exactly are you bringing to the table as a Red Mage? Because I know what I'm bringing to the table: a warm body to fill a slot and swipe loot.
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I feel my decisions were logical RDM is useful in specific instances only, my group is better off as a whole with me having a tank/solo job, and blm. Infact for the NIN's THF's DNC's in the shell we duo NM's as BLM/WHM and NIN/DNC or others /NIN. That is 4 procs and more then enough healing. Much better than the 2 Procs and same healing I provided on RDM. It makes sense to me because well, I leeched 90% of abyssea so far, bought time I paid it back.
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All I'm hearing is "play Red Mage or we will give you a hard time for playing jobs that can actually contribute in the current metagame because we are petty and spiteful."


Then you're not paying attention.

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No I don't think it does, it makes me smart. Probably smarter than you. Abyssea time isn't free, even though I have over 400 stones, I burn them like candy on NM's, Soloing faster allows me to get the items I want/need, with time remaining to do stuff with/for my friends on a useful job to help them/us out. Then at the end of the day when we get to big nasty stuff I pull out my RDM because 40-50K Sanguine Blades rock sh*t pretty good.

Obviously you have not played another job at 90 to experience just how useless and mundane RDM really is. You should you would likely have more fun actually getting sh*t accomplished, instead of pretending or leeching it.




That's exactly what a band wagoner is. It has nothing to do with "being smart". I leveled WHM because I got tired of constantly main healing as a RDM knowing that WHM does it sooo much better. Even so, there were times where I preferred to main heal with RDM because I wanted to be RDM and I knew I could pull it off.

There's actually nothing wrong with that, but when you label a job as "useless" because it only kills 3 mobs instead of 5 mobs..... you're a band wagoner.

You're not playing jobs for your joy of the job but whatever seems most useful. That's ok, but that's what a band wagoner is. You jump ship to another job when the other job becomes slightly better.

There are times to "jump ship", but a difference of 2 mobs doesn't classify for that time especially for a job that wasn't meant to be the best at anything to start off with.

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No, actually, this has pretty much NEVER been the case for RDM. It has always been the best soloer due to its' survivability, and until the Afflatus patch, it was undisputably the best healer. If anything, RDM is more balanced against other jobs now than it ever has been; the downside is that RDM's true specialty of Enfeebling is just not very necessary at this point.


Oh, my mistake. I was referencing to Final Fantasy, what series are you talking about?

RDM is and has always been the Jack of All Trades, Master of None. You are confusing being the Master of something vs being the best suited for something. I clarified that years ago. All you have to do is look at every other job in the game with their mastery and compare to RDM and it's so called "mastery". You'll see an evident lack of support.

RDM was never a Master of Solo, just the best suited class to get the job done. There's a big difference. The only things that kept BLM from blowing RDM out of the water on solo were refresh and convert.

Well, refresh is not a "survivor" tool, but a support tool. Else, it would be self-cast only like many of the other RDM spells. That only leaves convert. Given the extra amount of mp of BLM and higher tier spells and access to items, that could easily be made up.

The best healer? LOL.. WHM is and has always been the best healer in the game. Once again, you're confusing being the Master of something vs the best suited. People only favored RDM because you could free up a slot in the party. That doesn't constitute being a "better healer". That's the only reason why I leveled WHM in the first place, because it was a much better healer.

Don't even get me started on that whole "Master of Enfeebling" nonsense...

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Basically, the only real use for RDM at this point is for soloing insanely powerful things that no other job would stand a chance against; anything else, sure RDM can be useful, but whatever it is, guaranteed, another job will do it faster/better. Choosing not to use RDM in these situations in favor of another job that will get the job done faster does not make one less of a RDM, or mean that you 'love' the job less than the guy who stubbornly uses RDM for everything (although, it certainly makes you smarter than them).


It's not about being stubborn. You can and should play other jobs. The thing is, if you don't have the slightest tingling to play your RDM solely because it can't do x,y or z better than some other job, then you're a band wagoner, plain and simple. Just man up and accept it as the truth. Stop trying to rationalize it, because the more you try, the more you prove that is indeed what you are.

If my group is lacking elemental power, I would play BLM. If my group is lacking healing power, I would play WHM. If my group is efficient in either but still desires extra, I'm playing RDM. That's the entire purpose of RDM.

With tier IV spells and atmas, I actually feel MORE USEFUL than ever. My damage has increased dramatically and I don't have to worry about refresh. So, I'm still healing with much much more damage.

Or I could just heal with my WHM.......

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Not to derail, but shouldn't we be thankful for bandwagoners, anyway?


Typically I am.. BLU and SCH were some of the best updates for RDM
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I was going to do a point-by-point reply, but ugh. Same sh*t, different thread, seriously. Hyrist, believe me, all the facts are against you here. You are more than welcome to play however you want, but if you have friends that choose to indulge you with this nonsense, well, they are either just as clueless as you or even moreso.

If RCD can finally come around on this, anybody can. (Welcome to the Dark Side, btw) It's time to put away childish things and take a long, objective look at the situation, and stop wasting everyone's time (and most importantly, yours and your friends).

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RDM was never a Master of Solo, just the best suited class to get the job done. There's a big difference. The only things that kept BLM from blowing RDM out of the water on solo were refresh and convert.

Well, refresh is not a "survivor" tool, but a support tool. Else, it would be self-cast only like many of the other RDM spells. That only leaves convert. Given the extra amount of mp of BLM and higher tier spells and access to items, that could easily be made up.

The best healer? LOL.. WHM is and has always been the best healer in the game. Once again, you're confusing being the Master of something vs the best suited. People only favored RDM because you could free up a slot in the party. That doesn't constitute being a "better healer". That's the only reason why I leveled WHM in the first place, because it was a much better healer.


You have got to be ******* kidding me. Really? Really? Just stop before you embarrass yourself further, please.

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 10:49pm by LyltiaofLakshmi
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
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I might not be casting much of anything in Abyssea as RDM...
but I'm pointing fingers, shouting orders at people, ranting of mid-battle strategy changes, etc.

I'm not sure why, but those things come easiest to me when I'm on RDM.
(might have something to do with the "not casting much of anything" thing)
You won't find me leveling another job anytime soon!

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Suck it.

Edited, Jul 6th 2011 10:51pm by IcookPizza
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#148 Jul 06 2011 at 8:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Hyrist wrote:
Sorry but the constructiveness in what he is saying is "Don't Play Red Mage."


This..

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Would be nice if one of them chimed in "Hey our proc list sucks, SE could make that better by making our Merit Spells proc, or give job specific WSes a high chance of procing in Abyssea." Or "We've got a short Blue/Red list, best to try out your NMs during this day/hour if you're stuck playing RDM." No, there's no ideas, there's no constructive thinking, no improvisation.


This also.

Any non-band wagoner would show interest and concern for improvement on how to make it better, not "this is job is completely useless, off to another job"

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You have got to be @#%^ing kidding me. Really? Really? Just stop before you embarrass yourself further, please.


If you got the cojones, then bring it.

I won that argument years ago back when RDMs with a sword were crucified, so I'm 134% positive that I would obliterate any nonsense you throw my way now...

Go ahead, leap.

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I could give two ***** about whatever you think you proved years ago. All that matters now is that you are spewing some seriously flawed ******** here and now, and I'm calling you on it.

I don't know what you solo on RDM, but it sounds like some pretty ******* weak **** to me. Given that your NIN subjob is level 20, I'm going to go ahead and assume you've soloed nothing truly dangerous and/or impressive, so your opinions on the subject (besides being self-defeating in themselves) are completely invalid.

If you wanna debate how good RDM is at farming trash mobs or killing low-tier NMs, go find somebody else's time to waste.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

rdmcandie wrote:
MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#151 Jul 06 2011 at 9:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Lyltia wrote:
No, actually, this has pretty much NEVER been the case for RDM. It has always been the best soloer due to its' survivability, and until the Afflatus patch, it was undisputably the best healer. If anything, RDM is more balanced against other jobs now than it ever has been; the downside is that RDM's true specialty of Enfeebling is just not very necessary at this point.


Oh, my mistake. I was referencing to Final Fantasy, what series are you talking about?

Oh for ****'s sake. This is why I hate every other Red Mage I meet. You're all living with this delusion that Red Mage in FFXI is the same Red Mage as in every other offline Final Fantasy game.

It's not.

Wake the **** up and come to terms with that cold harsh reality or go level a job that's better suited to what you're looking for.
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I think RDM's neurotic omniscience is sooooooo worth including in any alliance.
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