Race for RedmageFollow

You keep screaming about how being the best at something doesn't count as being the best at something. Stop it.



It's called a shift in the metagame.

Edited, Jul 9th 2011 6:29pm by cidbahamut

I don't recall ever saying that.



And that's relevant how? How did that affect the DESIGN of Bard? Weren't those abilities out BEFORE ToAU? Did SE do an overhaul change on BRD?

Edit: If you want to make relevance of the shift in the metagame, it favors my argument.

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 12:37am by Almalieque

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 12:38am by Almalieque

Nope, that's a failure on your reading comprehension.

I feel like I'm arguing with a very belligerent wall.

Not that I doubt ya, I'm sure you mathed it out, but OA2~4 really edges out Joyeuse? Man, I thought they were all just terribad. Vorpal's never going to touch Almace though; you'd have to be getting some pretty ridic numbers to beat CDC+Aftermath, and CDC's no Death Blossom.

Yeah CDC definitely isn't nearly as monstrous outside Abyssea, but when you add in +30~50% to your melee DoT before Enspells (less if Dual-Wielding), it becomes a lot harder to beat with conventional weapons.

It's all about balance; those jobs that are easily clearing gear haste and adding all those nice stats are melee DDs; they can't cure, can't nuke, etc. There has to be a tradeoff somewhere for the versatility, and right there it is, just like RDM doesn't get access to as much Cure Potency as WHM does, or as much MAB gear as BLM does. RDM shouldn't be able to compete with DD jobs on their own terms, it would be horribly unbalanced. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand, or why anyone thinks it should be any other way.



"To do what it's supposed to" ? You think every Teal-wearing RDM should be able to (out)match the output of a well-geared DD job? Again, baffling.

As for the latter part, I most certainly do believe it, because it is exactly how I made my Kannagi85. Sure, you pick up retards, it's one of the hazards, but you are taking it to the opposite extreme and making it sound impossible.

As for Guku's Aery? Let me break this down for ya: Sobek now drops a total of up to 6 +2 items per kill, of 4 varieties. Lock skins for yourself, and look for 5 members in town; put 2 on the primary drop, and 1 on each sub drop. Form a party of NIN WAR THF WHM BLM/BRD BLU, substituting RDM/WHM for the WHM if you have none of these jobs. With 6 people out trying to claim every window, sure, you're going to miss some, but you ARE going to claim, you ARE going to make Sobek sets, and you ARE going to get Skins and finish if you keep at it. I'm not trying to play down the competition, because yeah, it sucks; but by bringing 6 heads of your own, you will make progress, and it will get done. Like I said previously, most RDMs spent much, much more time waiting for their D.Chapeaus than they would spend on making an Almace, if not for people like you moaning about how impossible it is and discouraging them.



Again, what's your problem with having to work for it? @#%^, you make it sound like farming +2s is hard. Nothing in Abyssea is hard, remember? Easymode? sh*t, I dread farming +1s much, much more than +2s, just because of how stupid random seal drops are; at least with +2s, you know exactly what to target for what you want, and are guaranteed to make progress on it with each kill. You just want everything handed to you because you think you deserve it for having played what you deem a broken job for so long.

And what the @#%^, seriously? You really want something as mundane as capped gear haste while composure is active, on a set of gear that offers absolutely nothing to melee? At least the haste gear we currently have to wear to cap has other melee stats on it; what you're asking for would be a downgrade! You can't see me, but rest assured, there's copious facepalming happening over here.



You are aware that our total, in-house Refresh total has risen from 5/tick to 12/tick, even more with Sanction, Salvage, whatever? That's 240+ MP per minute, or, assuming merited Convert timer, 2000 MP from Refresh/gear over the course of a Convert cycle (lower depending on casting, of course). So, add in that Convert for another 1000 MP at the very least, and that's 3000MP over 500 seconds you have to spend before you start having to take a knee. Yeah, MP isn't really an issue anymore. BLM is and has always been useful; it ain't ToAU anymore in case you haven't kept up. WHM is the best healer, sure, but RDM can push their CureIVs into the 500+ range pretty easily, which isn't exactly horrible when everyone's back to sane HP counts.



Yeah, you're totally right, the most powerful sword RDM can use should definitely be a marginal, incremental step up from the Joyeuse, especially when they give it a fancy name and put it in the same category as Relics and Mythics.



I'm so sick and tired of hearing the MNK+WHM thing, seriously. it's NIN+WHM. NIN tanks just as well as MNK can, deals comparable damage, and gives you red procs instead of blue procs, which are sooooooooooo much more useful than blue procs. You want a piece of gear? Sure, proc blue, get drop, done. Want to fight something better than freespawns or T1 NMs? Yeah, MNK not so good; bring a NIN.

Do you honestly think we went through the trouble of making Almace, Hvergelmir, Armageddon, and are bothering with Gandiva, Darudaubla, and Ghorn just so we'd have toys to play with? .....No, we understand that Abyssea is over, and right now is the eye of the storm, between the midgame that was Abyssea and the fast-approaching endgame that'll come with the 99 cap. We're using this time to prepare ourselves for that endgame, while you seem to be choosing to come up with every reason possible not to, and waste it. It's your subscription man, but... you'll be better served with one eye on the Abyssea grindstone and the other to the future, where these things you're bitching about really will become useful.

You're a freaking idiot. You don't comprehend half the stuff I tell you, ignore the rest and you have the audacity to insult my intelligence. GTFOWTBS. Simply calling me names aint gonna cut it. You haven't shown or proven anything.

That's the reason why my sig is what it is. I go against the grain, but I support what I say and people refuse to believe that their thoughts are wrong. I openly admit to when I'm wrong and I don't care, it's part of learning. But when people like you ignore comments, questions and overall counter points just to continue saying the same thing, I don't think for a second that I'm wrong. If you were to actually address my points as stated, then I would open myself up to that possibility.

Other posters admit to going against anything I say, so I find the times when they do agree with me and quote it.



I'm starting to think you're a troll, because I refuse to think someone can be this slow. I told you that I am for RDM melee. I meleed my entire way to 90. I know RDM can melee fine without an Almace. You were the one who claimed that Almace was one of the greatest melee boosts to RDM melee. That's the problem. If Almace is considered one of the greatest RDM boosts, then SE has overlooked some melee things up to that point.



Well learn to read then.



So back in the day when people were doing IT++ only, brds were pulling? Dude, STFU. No. Did colibris not come out till ToAU? I don't proclaim to be the greatest FFXI knowledge person, but anyone who played in parties can see how the party dynamics changed. As a RDM, I was in all of them.



Contradict much? Your piss poor attempt of an explanation is just that.



I've asked you several times to tell me what actually changed? You listed all the crap that you "used to do" that made you worthy and I'm still doing that now, but with much much less hassle and more value.

RDMs complain about not being part of the team, you get refresh. RDMs complain about being a Refresh whore, people started doing TP burns. RDMs complain about being a haste bot, now in abyssea you're neither and you can freely nuke and melee to your heart content with serious buffs unattainable prior. You don't want to be able to play RDM as people fought for for so many years, you want people to be like "RDM or GTFO", which makes you a band wagoner. There's no difference in RDM game play, yet some how they become SOME FORM of useless.

I don't care if you say practically/mostly/almost/likely/kinda-sort-of/barely/on the weekends/etc. You are full of crap. At the end of the day, it has absolutely nothing to do with HOW RDM play, but how many procs it has.

You talk about useless? Like everyone in a LS is necessary? Do you cut off your LS to the bare minimum of jobs necessary to accomplish tasks?

I've countered every single thing you and your "friends" have presented, you all just live in denial, ignoring my relevant comments.

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 10:19am by Almalieque

Fair enough, but know that I've given everything you said fair consideration, and your failure to return such consideration makes you a small, small man.

Oh, and Zelus Tiara and Goading Belt say hi. I'd mention Ninurta's, but yeah, RDM shouldn't need high-end gear to deal high-end damage, etc., right?

What you're describing is applicable to pretty much every facet of RDM's gear. Like, for nuking, you can wear Teal and be serviceable enough; or you can go the extra mile with Magian DMG staves, Estq.+2, Obis, Novio/Hecate's and make your nukes beastly as hell. MDT? You can cast Shell V and make do, or you can scrounge up some Dark Rings, put together some Coral+1 and cap it. Melee, you can wear Turban, Sentinel's, Goliard, ASA pants, Dusk, Swift, and do alright; or you can make an Almace, get a Ninurta's/Zelus/etc. and wreck sh*t. Stoneskin: cast normally for 350, or max it out with neck/hands/waist/legs. I could go on... For just about every purpose, there's a fairly-easily attainable set that's serviceable, and a set full of high-end gear that really maxes it out.

This is why all the hemming and hawing about RDM melee just gives me a headache; now, moreso than ever, with the right gear it is absolutely possible to put out respectable numbers that noone in their right mind would try to push you to the backline, unless the party's survival was at stake (in which case, yeah, you should totally do that). What I don't like is the attitude of entitlement that the whiners show, that they think they should get these massive buffs so they can just skip the entire gear acquisition step and just break the game. I just don't get it... what fun would the game be if it just handed everything to you? Putting in the effort (and having some of those adventures you mentioned along the way) is just so much more satisfying in the end. And that's twice I've seen 'zero to hero' mentioned; what exactly is the problem with that? I had that exact experience when I leveled NIN; started off underskilled with sh*tty gear, and after months of work (and adventures!), it's now top tier, and it is immensely satisfying.

SE's given you everything you need to be successful at meleeing at this point; start small, work your way up, and once you get to the top, you'll probably see things my way. The journey's the real reward, etc.

Edit: Sorry, didn't answer your questions:



To me, AF3+1 is baseline for any job you're serious about, and +2 for any job you consider a main; by which I mean, if you don't have it, getting it should be your #1 priority (Assuming you're not just back from being gone for 3 years, or a new player, etc.) If you can't find a group to farm it with, there are shouts all day long in Jeuno offering the upgrades, usually from people collecting Empyrean junk, and it's pretty easy to start your own besides. Stuff like Zelus, Epona's, Twilight gear, that's the next step up; they drop from some pretty serious NMs, but all you really need to get them is a MNK, a WHM, a THF if you can, and a brew. More out of reach for some than for others, but really, finding that sort of arrangement for Abyssea should be a priority. Ninurta's is from AV so sure, it's a bitch to try and get it from him, but on my server at least, there's always somebody trying to make money selling em. Expensive, sure, but you'll probably spend less time farming the gil than trying to build a crack AV-killin' team from scratch.

Empyreans, for the most part, if you can farm +2 items, you can make Empyreans.. hence my lack of sympathy for people who post about finishing their +2 set in the Achievement thread, but complain that they shouldn't have to make an Empyrean. Just silly, really.

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 1:18am by LyltiaofLakshmi

So what you're saying is that won't try new jobs because you're afraid you'll enjoy them and possibly have to admit that he's right?

You should go back and read the 73 replies since you last checked then. I dont play RDM in abyssea because it is not time efficient, need extra heals ill BLM/WHM instead of /BRD or /RDM. Need PI's ill go solo them from gold chests on DNC nearly twice as fast as RDM. The issue with abyssea is Time. Sure I suppose you could bring a dozen people and have 4-5 farm time, or I can go out alone cap my azure/pearl on DNC and farm all @#%^ing day. That is with a DNC with relatively gimpy gear, it has less haste then my RDM and the only diff in weapons is using a Yata I got from dom ops with +3% Crit damage and +6 DMG.



Good i don't give a sh*t what you do. It doesn't change the fact that in abyssea DNC and BLM both decrease your time spent by nearly half.




Yes, you should have stop being in Gimp parties a long time ago I guess.

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 9:28am by rdmcandie

Stop trying to argue with the belligerent wall RCD.

@ Cid.

It's not a matter of whether or not he's right it's a matter of what kind of person he became through that action. I value a good person far, far higher than I value a great player. If a person dedicates themselves to the job they play works to get better for that job. Whether or not that job is incredibly useful or barely present in an event, I've no problem helping them or having them participate.

The line is drawn between me saying "I'll play with you." And "I won't play with you." Relies on either that person being really generally bad (not following simple directions) or that person's attitude, which is far more often the problem, as this game isn't all that hard.

It's not the fact that RCD chose a new class and found out he enjoyed it. That's what I did years ago with Blue Mage because it hits many of the same points I like with RDM. But as I said, before all this argument started, is he doesn't know what I like in a job enough to tell me what to play or what I'll abandon.

And when he started going on a triad saying how useless RDM is in Abyssea, he crossed the line between playful bantering and me seriously thinking he's become an elitist ass. It's the attitude shift I'll not want to replicate. You should never tell a person what class to play, ever.

I was fine with him when it was just a recommendation. Hell, the entire conversation was light hearted until Sunrider really dug into him.


Redmagecandie:

It's fine to play a job based on it's performance. But when you shift play based entirely on the performance, and then look down upon the job you were previously playing, that is riding the bandwagon. It's the condescending approach that is the only problem with that, because bandwagons are popular for a reason.

But the difference between playstyles between someone who identifies with a job they play rather than simply playing for the performance.

You can throw the 'I'm ruining the fun for others' lie all you want. It is a lie, especially in my circumstance. A lot of the times people are just applicative of the body being there, so long as they can do something decent with the class they've chosen.

The answer to "what job?" question that is offered, is most often "Whatever job you want." in my group of friends. Sometimes we might ask for something specific, but those times are rare due to how easy the situations are. And then, we deal with what we have, and it's fun. I wouldn't want you to come on dancer just because you feel it's superior to your Red Mage. I'd want you to come on dancer because you enjoy the job thoroughly. Same with Black Mage.

Part of the reason I play Red Mage so adamantly, is that what I can offer, can easily change with subjob choice. It becomes a question of "What subjob do you want me to bring?" Which usually effects my playstyle on the outset. Blue Mage became a serious consideration when I realized I could just as easily ask the question "Hey what spells do you guys want?" As well as that, and still gain the same sort of "I'm a chameleon of combat casting." feel.

Once it's caught up, and I find that I enjoy myself more as a BLU in Abyssea. I will (as I like having an impact) likely play it more in that context.

But that doesn't make me say "GTFO, RDM!"

So I want you to ask yourself as to why you play the jobs you do. Because you like the jobs themselves, or just specifically that they're better than x job in x situation. That is determinant of your playstyle and what kind of a player you are. You need to be aware of that more than we do, because it effects all you do, and sometimes, the people you should game with.

I'm still waiting for the change in RDM...



What game were you playing?

The party set up started as WHM, BLM, RDM, tank, 2 DD. Then it changed to RDM, BRD, BLM, tank, 2DD. Then it changed to RDM, BRD and 4 DDs. Then it was RDM, 2 BRD and 3 DD. Maybe only in the VERY beginning in the game did BRD and RDM share the same support slot, but as soon as RDM became the main healer (41+), BRD became it's own PERMANENT slot in the party.



Your comprehension can't be that bad. I never implied that BRD never did pull. That's the entire point. It's not that the job couldn't do it, just hardly ever done it. It wasn't the job that changed, but the playing style. The camps in ToAU were meant for long chains. At that time, BRD became the IDEA puller or in other words, the best class for the job.

Prior to that, sending a brd to pull in those aforementioned zones was not idea. Now do you see how a job is designed to be played is different from how the job is actually played? Further more, how the job is played varies as new content is released.



I live in reality. RDM + BRD was the duo for the longest time. There wasn't any competition. Refresh stacked with ballad and that gave RDM "infinite" mp. WHM was obsolete in xp parties.



You mean like in Caedarva Mire? Those are probably the worst xp mobs all in one place and people stayed there because of the xp.

Your claim is complete and utter BS. As much as people complained about over camped ToAU zones, if the only difference between those two zones were "mob moves" and NOT xp, people would have stayed.



First of all 20k was the baseline, with 25k being idea. Second of all, that was probably only possible because no one was there. The bottom line is that ToAU mobs were much more TP burn friendly than previous mobs.

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 7:44pm by Almalieque

For those just joining TLDR version update, Hyrist and Alma are content being leeches, and one of them is a complete moron, and the other is frantically trying to catch him up.

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 2:35pm by rdmcandie




Yes but taking a break for over a year did build me stones. As for how much time I spent, here is a run down of time I spent just this weekend farming my DNC neck (which I went 1/37 on)

37 kills in 7.5 minutes (being fair some died fast others did not) on a 15 minute repop

277 minutes spent killing + 540 minutes spent waiting on repops (36 repops as i didnt need to kill after 37)

817 total minutes for a grand total of 27 stones spent.

and that was for one single mob in one single zone. Not including time spent farming seals for my RDM, BLM, DNC, not including time spent farming pop items for my LS, not including time spent getting people boss wins/Cat wins, not including time spent farming atma's for people.

Now had I done that on RDM killing 33% slower I would have spent

27*1.33 = 35 stones. On one event.

I save myself well over 200 minutes in abyssea time by using DNC.

Thats stupid though right.

Not to mention I still have well over 300 stones, I couldn't imagine wanting to burn 33% more of my potential abyssea time by using an inferior job for the content being done.

RDM sucks in abyssea, get over it.

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 2:43pm by rdmcandie

Edited, Jul 10th 2011 2:46pm by rdmcandie

FTFY



Ok, I want you to make a clarification. Are you saying that RDM is NOT useless in abyssea, only useless in the playing style that you choose to play? Or, are you saying that RDM is useless all the way around in abyssea?



Until you stop avoiding it and show how RDM somehow changed, you can not claim that it magically became any form of useless. At this point, you're just trolling. I don't mind because your small posts make it easier to respond to, as you ignore all of my countering points and only bring up new stuff that you think will support your argument.

Because at that point, I've crossed the line between playing with others, and playing for others. And until the point someone begins paying my $12.95 a month for me, that is a line I will not cross. (And while those who don't agree pay money too, I don't have to play with them, I have my own friends.) Subjobs are something I leveled because it's expands a part of a Job I enjoy and work to master. Changing the main job changes the entire premise of what I am playing.

I make no illusions to the fact that I play this game like I do any other: For personal fun and amusement. Just because Final Fantasy XI offers a more social setting to, does not suddenly obligate me to playing a job I would not enjoy otherwise, in order to be more 'useful'.

Now, if I were to take a job, I've already determined that I like to 90, and then begin using it more often than my Red Mage due to both use and enjoyment, there is no conflict of interest. As a point in case, I have laying down in front of me right now the wiki printed list of Blue Magic with the spells I've already learned crossed off. And, a standing offer from my linkshell leader for me to be the designated leach for their parties on my Blue Mage.

But don't mistake the distinction here. I like Blue Mage because the role and design of it is very similar to Red Mage in the means that it is a highly variable hybrid class that mixes 1h Swordplay with magic of differing nature. They're opposite sides to the same coin. I'm not leveling it to be X more useful to Y event. That's skirting too close to enslaving my free time to someone else's whims. I've got no problem being slower in getting the things I need. Abyssea is highly congested right now and trying to rush things is a recipe to be frustrated every time there's a choke point. And when I do want to achieve things faster, I trade favors with my friends, who find more than enough use for my RDM to be requesting it. I may not be able to do as well as a specialist, but when that specialist isn't available, most the time, I'm still getting called on. (Or, often, just called to hang out and take a break from trial grinding.)

As LyltiaofLakshmi said, the journey's the real reward.


One last thing:



Give me one situation in this game that requires a RDM, RCD, and your argument might have more weight. (Note, Chainspell Stun is not 'required' it just makes things easier. Not to mention... when was the last situation in which it was really used as a regular practice?) We are a job of redundancies. It's something you get used to as a RDM, and learn where you can contribute the best you can in any given situation. Abyssea is just the worst of these situations.

But there are those who have invested in the job, like you have, for many years, and do not have the time or patience to fully gear another job simply because one event has made their job feel outdated.(I myself have many hobbies and obligations and a limited amount of time to do them.) These people can either wait for a patch, or make due with what they have.

You can choose to contribute to a 'lol'stigma if you wish. But that is what makes you a bandwagon player. Not because you're arguing for efficiency, but because of your jaded, bitter anger towards anyone who doesn't hop with you. And your default switch to insults when exposed for it. A RDM can help in Abyssea without being a leach, it's just not as time effective to invite RDM with the idea that they are going to encompass a full role, rather than assist in many roles.

This was is the job's initial premise to begin with, and has the same problems now as it did then. However, in actual application in the game, with live people, it's not even a problem. Red Mage gets used in Abyssea all the time as a generalist, to fill in whatever feels a bit lacking. Would I like the job to have something shiny and unique in order to be desired again? Sure, who wouldn't? But even I switch to use on BLU when it catches up for situations, I'm not going to sit and insult those who come to an event on RDM. Ideally, nor should you.

In many ways, this is the 2003 argument all over again. RDM lacks a specific pourpose in Abyssea, like they did before the days of Refresh/Convert. That didn't stop people from playing the job and making it both functional and enjoyable either.




Edited, Jul 10th 2011 6:51pm by Hyrist

What about the others that currently play for you? Your RDM likely doesn't help them in any constructive way (well nothing more than /WHM can). Or do you run around on your BLU being useful instead?.



I don't know who you are arguing with in that regard then. I haven't once said RDM is not enjoyable or has functionality. It is impractical functionality and mostly useless but still functional. I honestly think you haven't read a single thing ive posted tbh.



Pretty much anything outside of Abyssea that requires a WHM needs a RDM and a BRD. More specifically the new Void Watch NM system, that is devoid of massive amounts of constant refresh or easily obtain MP restore chests/items. Older content not so much but it is still advisable for certain events such as ToAU Kings (or w/e you want to call them) VNM's, and ZNM's. Hell there is an undead dude that is practically impossible without having a RDM there for Refresh alone, since everyone is required to be /NIN on the fight including BLM's and WHM's.

The list actually is pretty long in situations where having a RDM is paramount to success (and lol @ Chainstun not being required. Did you ever clear Dyna Xarc without chainstun? when it was level appropriate content.)

There ya go specific instances where RDM is highly useful if not paramount to success. Exactly where in abyssea does RDM fit in, in a useful way?


I remember when this board actually had smart people in it, those were the good ol days.



Edited, Jul 10th 2011 7:37pm by rdmcandie

That's just game design, not anything unique to RDM. Gear makes nukes better of course, but the difference between a good nuker and a bad one has a lot more to do with skill and strategy, as opposed to meleeing, where the skill involved usually consists of auto-attacking and WSing @100% TP; gear plays a much larger role for them. RDM just starts at the additional disadvantage of being a light melee class.

This is why I keep saying that an update addressing this is highly unlikely; it's not a RDM-centric issue, although it is more noticeable to us than most other jobs.



Blade: Hi! XD

From what i hear, Sanguine is pretty good if you gear for it correctly and Vorpal's always good; but if you don't have access from subjob, Evisceration > Death Blossom, as always.



From what I've read, that's the way to go; Sanguine when you need HP, Vorpal when you don't.. but, if you plan on making an Almace, OA2~4 will end up being completely redundant and you'll never use it again (and considering the effort for the OA2~4... I wouldn't bother, just start on your Almace and be done with it); you'd be better off with a Double Attack sword, they complement Empyreans much better.

I wish you guys could argue more tangibly, cuz I'd love to be a part of it!

Even exaggerated, there's so much wrong with this statement that it gives me a headache.

The low base damage and above average delay really hurt your overall DPS potential something fierce though, even with a WS-spam playstyle. Since I'm too lazy to to run the math myself (could, just don't wanna) I just bum Kinematics' DPS Spreadsheets, so take it for whatever worth you want. But for nearly every job (and the ad-hoc RDM xls I put together) the DA, OAT, and STR weapons higher base damage pulls it ahead (lower delay too, but not as severe as base damage). DA and STR weapons especially, since they effect WSs too. Unless you're parsing, eyeballing your WS rate really isn't the best way to judge your overall DPS, which is what a WS-spam style is ultimately concerned with. OA2-4 really just isn't worth the effort.

Edited, Jul 11th 2011 1:18am by jlejeune

Example?

For example, I'll provide a good counter example of me providing a counter example to your example.

I stated that there was a difference between being a master of tanking and being the best choice for a tank for a particular mob. I was asked to define the difference, I did. My definition was said to be "skewed", but no one countered with a more accurate definition when I asked. I later asked if you all do not believe that SE designed certain jobs with a purpose , mostly unique? Furthermore that regardless of how the job was designed to be played, it can be played in other ways. That proves that a job can be designed as a Master of xxx and be used in a totally different capacity.

That's just an example, now your turn...



Yea, when everyone claimed that it was impossible for a RDM to melee and keep up with their mage duties and that you role was in the back line because you are a Red MAGE not a RED WARRIOR!!!? Yea... the good 'ol days...



Exactly this. This is what I had in mind when I say RDM isn't useless. When you claim that RDM might as well be a key whore, then either you're not understanding the words that you're using or are delusional.

I don't even know if he knows what his position is (or what he is arguing against, they both still think i don't use my RDM for christ sakes.)