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#1 Dec 27 2010 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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I know a lot of people seem to play Dancer as more of a DD class, but for some reason, I tend to play it as more of a healer/support class. Is that bad? I know people will tell me that I can play however I like and the way I play is fun, but am I missing out on the full potential? It's not like I don't use weapon skills or anything, but I mainly use my TP, flourishes, and steps for healing, buffing, and debuffing. I have haste samba capped, No Foot Rise is at 3, reverse flourish is at 4/5, and I macro in a fair amount of things for my waltzes for better healing of myself and my members. I also tend to gear more for buffs and debuffs rather than damage.

I apologize if this is a dumb topic, but I just wanted to know if anyone else leaned more towards support rather than DD, even though DNC can do both fairly well.

#2 Dec 27 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's not wrong to play DNC as a support class.

Having said that, I do find the support/DD conceptual split a little dubious. DNC is a very versatile melee job. Support when you can; DD when it is appropriate. It's all about reading the flow of the party. The intelligent DNC draws upon both camps when the situation calls for it.

I want to stress that I do not mean "this is what I tend to do on DNC" because different friendship groups require different things. I mean when people who play the job thrust themselves into the support or DD camp. Both are relevant and effective.
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#3 Dec 27 2010 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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In Abyssea I'm almost strictly DD. I sub /nin so I don't die, use my RR atma and whatever other DD atma seems good and go to town. With the output potential of Evisceration supercharged by RR, I feel it's just a waste to not be focused on destroying things as dnc, maybe even full-timing saber dance.

Outside Abyssea I try to support as much as possible because mages won't have their permanent refresh for unlimited curing, I won't be annihilating things as much. I sub /war since I won't be pulling hate as much, though waltzes sometimes complicate that, but that's what defender and fan dance are for. So I keep the haste samba going and only throw in the occasional Dancing Edge.

So my opinion is, DNC as a support class is great but it makes it hard to properly abuse RR if you have it.
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#4 Dec 27 2010 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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In the past, DNC's support abilities were its calling card for group play rather than the damage it contributed. It's still strong as a support class outside Abyssea for whatever that's worth, but inside you're best off doing as Secretkeeper advised and playing the role that fits the situation rather than defining yourself as a support or DD DNC.
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#5 Dec 27 2010 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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DNC is one of those jobs that can be whatever a party needs it to be. In abyssea, though I enjoy DD most often, i've also done DD/support healing, main assist, puller, and main healer. Dnc can do a whole lot of different things well, expecially if you've got good atma. Even when I'm not main assist I end up dealing such a ridiculous amount of dmg with RR/VV/alpha&omega that the mob is pretty much on me the whole time anyway. If you're not needed for healing, which you usually aren't because of the disgustingly awesome refresh atmas, then you can really wail on mobs if you've got RR at the very least. With a multi-hit weapon RR is just plain ridiculous, I've got a 2-4x parazonium+2 off hand, and spamming supercharged eviscerations almost as fast as you can mash the macros is aaaaaawesome, especially when your normal melee strikes are critting for ridicuous dmg on top of it. Basically, it's just a matter of paying attention to what your alliance needs most, and doing that. DNC is very versatile, and a versatile player can bring the most out of it in every situation. You don't have to stick to just one role, learn to do everything and you'll be more valuable to an alliance and have more fun doing it.
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#6 Dec 28 2010 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't forget DNC/NIN can tank **** other classes would struggle to tank with ease fan dance is so fing Hawt add in the extra damage and hate holding of waltzs I find myself always tanking in abyssea like I did easily back in the dunes lol. Yeah dnc can be played however you like and with atmas atm I can get around 8 tick regain its **** as **** for dnc so many mobs in abyssea we can solo it isn't funny if only we had a dispel flourish lol...
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#7 Dec 28 2010 at 11:02 AM Rating: Default
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Fan Dance is only exceptional in that it facilitates having high eva and moderate PDT simultaneously. The situations where you need both at the exact same time are fairly uncommon and frequently overlap with situations where Scherzo or Migawari would be applicable. For everything else, you should be mashing that PDT macro when you see a big physical TP move coming anyway.
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#8 Dec 28 2010 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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Beleren wrote:
Fan Dance is only exceptional in that it facilitates having high eva and moderate PDT simultaneously. The situations where you need both at the exact same time are fairly uncommon and frequently overlap with situations where Scherzo or Migawari would be applicable. For everything else, you should be mashing that PDT macro when you see a big physical TP move coming anyway.


Fan Dance isn't just about the PDT it increases enmity which is never a bad thing tanking having it up vs smashing buttons and having server lag have me face down seems silly but as always to each there own.
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#9 Dec 28 2010 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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kenshynOnShiva wrote:
Beleren wrote:
Fan Dance is only exceptional in that it facilitates having high eva and moderate PDT simultaneously. The situations where you need both at the exact same time are fairly uncommon and frequently overlap with situations where Scherzo or Migawari would be applicable. For everything else, you should be mashing that PDT macro when you see a big physical TP move coming anyway.


Fan Dance isn't just about the PDT it increases enmity which is never a bad thing tanking having it up vs smashing buttons and having server lag have me face down seems silly but as always to each there own.

Where have you been the past 3 years? Hate caps. Outpacing your backline's hate gain on the way up should be a joke and tbh your WHM shouldn't be capping VE ever.

Again, Scherzo and Migawari say hi. No server lag there. If you really lag bad enough that you can't even get your PDT gear up in time, I'd question the decision to have you tanking to begin with because you may not be able to even roll shadows reliably.
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#10 Dec 29 2010 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Play how u like lag spikes happen I play without whm and brds many times its just a duo or trio when I play dnc is pure low man sh*t and win easily why f with success? If you low man ovni for example without Fan dance up full time its just silly if one of his aoe strips ur shadows and stuns you and you take a primal drill to the face well its not pretty...

Edited, Dec 29th 2010 10:22am by kenshynOnShiva
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#11 Dec 29 2010 at 5:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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DNC is a very versitle job. You can debuff,stun,cure,buff,haste, and DD. However, if you do all these really well, plan on tanking <<. Thats been my experience.


Edited, Dec 29th 2010 5:42pm by doctorugh
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#12 Dec 29 2010 at 10:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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DNC is a very versitle job. You can debuff,stun,cure,buff,haste, and DD. However, if you do all these really well, plan on tanking <<. Thats been my experience.


Pretty much this.

Also, it's not about doing them all well; it's about knowing when each is called for, too.
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