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#1 Oct 02 2010 at 4:35 PM Rating: Decent
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My dnc will soon be 74 dnc And I'll be getting an azoth. I'm going to try for 75 tonight at which I can start m first dagger trial.
But which is better between two to start off with? I know the DEX would be good for DE along with the accuracy to boot. The AGI also has excellent evasion and AGI (cant recall if DNC benefits from AGI other then AGI stat itself) WS mod perhaps? i'll look into that later.

Any advice?

#2 Oct 02 2010 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
DEX would likely be the best IMO, ACC/DEmod/Evismod/Pkleosmod/Critrate AGI give DNC some RACC, and some evasion.
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#3 Oct 02 2010 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Both the DEX/acc and the AGI/eva daggers have their uses, though unless you do a lot of soloing/pulling/tanking on your DNC the DEX/acc one will probably be much more useful to you, also, note that you can have TWO of each if you so wish. You're not just limited to one DEX/acc and one AGI/eva, you can double up, though you do have to complete each trial twice if you do that because that **** moogle takes pleasure in making you suffer. If time is a concern for you, the DEX/acc dagger will probably take longer to complete as lightning weather is not quite as prevelant as wind. If you're planning on doing both eventually there's really no reason to complete one first then start the other. You can have up to five magian weapon trials active at a time so long as none of them are duplicates. Start them both at the same time (or as close to it as duplicate trials will allow) and when you can't find lightning weather/day switch over to wind weather/day and vice versa. You'll be done a lot faster that way and with much less frustrating time sitting around doing nothing waiting for weather to pop.
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#4 Oct 02 2010 at 7:24 PM Rating: Default
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ACC if you're usually DDing/healing, EVA if you're usually tanking/soloing.

The DEX/AGI really does not matter that much for DNC.
#5 Oct 03 2010 at 3:13 AM Rating: Good
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Fynlar wrote:
ACC if you're usually DDing/healing, EVA if you're usually tanking/soloing.

The DEX/AGI really does not matter that much for DNC.


You do know that dex adds to acc and agi adds to eva right?

As far as which one to start with, why not do both? You don't have to fully complete one in order to start another. And some of the trials you can do at the same time and get credit for both. With the new weather additions it wouldn't take long for either dagger.
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#6 Oct 03 2010 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Kalisa wrote:
With the new weather additions it wouldn't take long for either dagger.
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I've saw that on wiki earlier.
About how you can get 5 points if its the right weather and and 1 if its the same day.

Does that apply if i duo'd or something or is it solo only?
#7 Oct 03 2010 at 6:55 AM Rating: Good
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It doesn't matter if solo or in a full alliance (don't pay attention to what they say in wiki forums lol)

1 point = day
5 points = weather
6 points = double weather
6 points = weather + day
7 points = double weather + day
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#8 Oct 03 2010 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Kalisa wrote:
It doesn't matter if solo or in a full alliance (don't pay attention to what they say in wiki forums lol)

1 point = day
5 points = weather
6 points = double weather
6 points = weather + day
7 points = double weather + day

Thanks for the info
I tried it out not too long ago.
Wow....if all if not most of a weapon can be done in a day (to say the mobs you need are available along with the weather)
#9 Oct 03 2010 at 4:28 PM Rating: Decent
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How was it again with dual wielding? Did you get progress on both, if one trial fit? Or was that fixed?
#10 Oct 03 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Good
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I haven't done it for a while so don't know if they ever fixed it or not, but if you have two trials that has the same mob requirement, you can get credit for both if you only have one of the weather/day conditions met.
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#11 Oct 04 2010 at 3:29 AM Rating: Good
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I don't recall it working when I attempted it a few weeks back. It may have been fixed, but I may be thinking fuzzy. I've been so out of my skull on painkillers for the last month. @.@
#12 Oct 04 2010 at 6:10 AM Rating: Decent
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You do know that dex adds to acc and agi adds to eva right?


Not by all that much.

The OP made it seem like you get these daggers for the DEX/AGI and the ACC/EVA is just a bonus. If anything, it's the other way around.
#13 Oct 04 2010 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
because the dex and agi on something like this is a small increase >.>

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Antares_Harness.....

4ACC and 4EVA is hardly anything to scoff at especially when combined with the +14/+18 on the weapons. Not to mention 8DEX can be up to 8% crit rate added, that's bad though right.
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#14 Oct 05 2010 at 4:16 AM Rating: Default
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4ACC and 4EVA is hardly anything to scoff at especially when combined with the +14/+18 on the weapons.


14 catches my eye a lot better than 4 does.


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Not to mention 8DEX can be up to 8% crit rate added, that's bad though right.


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#15 Oct 05 2010 at 5:38 AM Rating: Good
anything over 40Ddex will increase your crate by 1% until you cap out at aprox 50dDex.

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Dex over mob agi - 0~20 = 1%
Dex over mob agi - 21~25 = 2%
Dex over mob agi - 26~30 = 3%
Dex over mob agi - 31~35 = 4%
Dex over mob agi - 36~37 = 5%
Dex over mob agi - 38~39 = 6%
Dex over mob agi - 40~41 = 7%
Dex over mob agi - 42~43 = 8%
Dex over mob agi - 44 = 9%
Dex over mob agi - 45 = 10%
Dex over mob agi - 46 = 11%
Dex over mob agi - 47 = 12%
Dex over mob agi - 48 = 13%
Dex over mob agi - 49 = 14%
Dex over mob agi - 50 = 15%


http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/68786-Dexterity-s-impact-on-critical-hits
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#16 Oct 05 2010 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
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Both. You can work on DEX on thunder days, and work on AGI on windsdays. And leave yourself taking care of the parts that can be easily done with weather whenever you can. Both daggers have stages that will probably require the right day to be done with:

Thunder dagger have some really bad steps thrown in ( Qutrubs, golems ) and it will be stuck on those stages.

Wind dagger has 1 bad step ( Morbols ) and you might be stuck there.

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Wind dagger has 1 bad step ( Morbols ) and you might be stuck there.
With the weather bonus now and wind weather being frequent in ToAU areas, it isn't so bad a step now.
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#18 Oct 19 2010 at 12:08 PM Rating: Good
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My question, why has no one mentioned STR dagger? STR+8 attack+18 does way more for a DD set than 8 DEX and 18 acc considering all the gobs of acc you can get in WS gear and pizza.
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#19 Oct 19 2010 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Because the OP didn't ask about STR dagger.

Out of those options yes STR dagger would give the biggest boost, but you can't forget about both WSacc and Primary mods that the dex dagger gives. Also, you're not gonna have capped acc on everything, so for a situational dagger it's a very nice boost. Of course the best option would be to get both and use them accordingly. I myself use str and dex +1 on most higher level NM mobs that have crazy evasion....everything else it's str and oa3 para +1 (unless I'm tanking, then it's double agi daggers of course).
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#20 Oct 21 2010 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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Kalisa wrote:
Because the OP didn't ask about STR dagger.

Out of those options yes STR dagger would give the biggest boost, but you can't forget about both WSacc and Primary mods that the dex dagger gives. Also, you're not gonna have capped acc on everything, so for a situational dagger it's a very nice boost. Of course the best option would be to get both and use them accordingly. I myself use str and dex +1 on most higher level NM mobs that have crazy evasion....everything else it's str and oa3 para +1 (unless I'm tanking, then it's double agi daggers of course).


I understand that he was asking between the DEX and AGI daggers, but suggesting STR also along with an answer to his question wouldn't be out of line.

Honestly, with how situational this game is, and DNC especially since we can fill so many roles, there wasn't enough information in the OP to really tell him exactly what to get. If he does a lot of soloing on DNC and uses other jobs for group play, AGI daggers would benefit him more since anything he's going to be soloing, he's generally going to have decent accuracy on. If he's suited more to a main healer role on very high end and specific mobs (most normal EXP mobs anymore aren't very evasive, and if you're missing it's more of a skill/level thing than gear), DEX daggers would be more beneficial.

My comment was that if he plays more like I do, focusing on more of a supporting DD role, a STR dagger would be most beneficial. I'm not sure how long the OP has been around, but if he's a newer player he may not fully understand how damage and evasion is calculated and may not really understand what stats would be most beneficial, hence why he only asked about AGI/DEX daggers. TBH, depending on what you're fighting, PDT- daggers and MDB+ daggers both have a place in a career DNC's **** as both would have their situational uses, so why not add those into the mix?

As for the WS mod and WS acc, both STR and attack factor into WS damage, and most WS gear already has a bunch of acc on it. Personally, I have more acc in my WS set than my TP set, and I'm near enough to cap in my TP phase on all but the most evasive mobs that I have long since stopped considering DEX daggers, since it takes *far* less work to just swap in a full accuracy set and pop a pizza than work through a thunder elemental path.

Also, how the heck did you stay sane going through oa2-3 para+1...I'm halfway through piestes and want to pull my hair out. -.-;
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#21 Oct 21 2010 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Mikourei wrote:
Also, how the heck did you stay sane going through oa2-3 para+1...I'm halfway through piestes and want to pull my hair out. -.-;


Having chapelle's show or red vs blue episodes playing on second monitor can get me through any type of boring grind FFXI throws at me =P
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#22 Oct 26 2010 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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Kalisa wrote:
Mikourei wrote:
Also, how the heck did you stay sane going through oa2-3 para+1...I'm halfway through piestes and want to pull my hair out. -.-;


Having chapelle's show or red vs blue episodes playing on second monitor can get me through any type of boring grind FFXI throws at me =P


Yeah, that helps lol. Just finished peistes and decided not to do scythe oa2-3 haha. Not going through that again. =P

Seriously, I can sit through a mountain of leeches, buffalo, puks, or evil weapons/dolls by the grace of having a good movie on since I can just DS3 with a link or two and afk, but fighting as many quadav as I do peistes was almost too much. So glad I'm done with that trial. =P
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