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Did I miss the memo on SS frame, DEX and Daze?Follow

#1 Apr 06 2010 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I never noticed before but last night while camping Truffle I stumbled upon the fact that Thunder Maneuvers were adding damage to the SS frames Ranged Attacks. 3 Thunder Maneuvers added about 26 DMG, with or without thunder based parts equipped. Just seemed strange to me.

Also Daze was seriously out doing Armor Piercer DMG, by anywhere from 700-800, with the highest of the night being 2715. Granted I hardly ever use Daze but I don't remember it ever doing that much damage. This was at 300% TP with 3 thunders up btw, the average was around 2300. I'm guessing this was already know to others but I thought I would bring it up anyways.
#2 Apr 06 2010 at 9:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's the Dex, not really the maneuver itself. Just look at salvage, and unlock Dex. Your puppet will increase noticeably in damage.
#3 Apr 06 2010 at 9:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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I assumed it was the DEX, I'm just completely unaware of the DEX -> Ranged Damage relationship. I didn't know about the Salvage thing though, I'm not in there too often.

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 11:26am by Kaithalina
#4 Apr 06 2010 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, noticed this a while back, DEX was increasing ranged base damage. ¯\(º_o)/¯ Very odd but that's how it works.
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#5 Apr 06 2010 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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well dex does increase ranged dmg in many rpgs, so why not this.

would this be the same for regular ranged too, I always wondering why as a taru i could do the same dmg as a galka ranger.
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#6 Apr 06 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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uh id like to see how much dex it takes to get daze to 2700 though..
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That was on a bee, was somewhere in the nature of 1900~2000 on the mushrooms.

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uh id like to see how much dex it takes to get daze to 2700 though..


+21 DEX and 300tp

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4142/daze.png

Took me for times to get to 300tp, he missed the first 3 WS's D:

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 4:35pm by Kaithalina
#8 Apr 06 2010 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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For the dex affecting the ws damage, Sharpshot ranged attacks work like phyical blue magic or weaponskills. They have a DEX 30% and STR 18% modifier (they also use ranged skill to determine base damage, like h2h or blue magic).

I don't know how DEX works with Daze specifically, and it doesn't look like the wiki has that info either.
#9 Apr 06 2010 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
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how does this fair in merits? If you could do close to ap dmg it might be worth trying for 3x thunfer up ya? I mean with 3 thunder and DA attachment that would be a lot more dot and probably more ws? Anyone try?
#10 Apr 07 2010 at 12:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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well dex does increase ranged dmg in many rpgs, so why not this.


Because it doesn't increase ranged damage in this (for us PCs, anyway).

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would this be the same for regular ranged too, I always wondering why as a taru i could do the same dmg as a galka ranger.


No. fSTR2 and ratk. Said Galka RNG must be gearing retardedlynessed.
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Kaithalina wrote:
That was on a bee, was somewhere in the nature of 1900~2000 on the mushrooms.

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uh id like to see how much dex it takes to get daze to 2700 though..


+21 DEX and 300tp

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4142/daze.png

Took me for times to get to 300tp, he missed the first 3 WS's D:

Edited, Apr 6th 2010 4:35pm by Kaithalina


Meh, I'd rather have 3 APs over 1 Daze of that strength. Neat in concept though.
#12 Apr 07 2010 at 8:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I had no idea about the DEX thing raising ranged attack damage, but as for the numbers you were hitting, Daze is a beast on any low level/low defense monster. Armor Piercer's main usage comes from the fact that it has that 'Ignores defense' property. AP in most normal cases will struggle to break 2k with 1 Fire man. on a low level monster (Don't recall ever trying one on a low level mob with more than 1 Fire man.), wheras Daze can easily hit 3k on some monsters.
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that's cool/bizarre.
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Milch wrote:
that's cool/bizarre.
So is Square Enix. The bizarre part anyways...
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