Gdi Oberon'sFollow

I've always been curious about this. It seems everyone does augments in grauberg. Is it because it's better? Easier? Requires the least moving from the pixie?

i want flash =(

Why not stick with that and get a new pair of sainti?

Either way you lose out, but at least this way you got some halfway decent weapon to carry you over to that H2H+10 DMG+4 miracle one.

Edited, Mar 29th 2010 2:35pm by Seedling

considering his is the only one ive heard being that good (aka, not crap), its still a miracle

They'd possibly be ok for soloing. Depends on the flash proc rate and how long of a duration you got. 279 skill puts you up to a DMG:+16 Accuracy+7 attack+7 weapon. Nice, but still in need of work to make them actually replace waghs.

Personally I'd have kept the pet: damage taken-5% one and held onto that for the situations when I'd be on the backline and sending my auto in to fight. Also note that's just damage taken-% not just physical damage taken-%.

I got the Oberon's Sainti with DMG +2 Add.eff:lightning +11 pet dmg -3%....

bad?

I picked up a DMG +1, H2H +8 PDT -4% from Grauberg. Just 1 DMG and a few points of attack for the PDT? I think it's probably gonna be my base weapon now. A little damage for pet survivability is a nice tradeoff.

Yeah, that's getting to be a pretty solid piece at that point. You're short one base DMG off waghs, the extra 3 acc helps to cancel out the 6 attack lost, plus pet damage taken- (again, not just physical damage, works for magic damage as well). Plus, oberon's naturally has lower delay, and no latent crap to worry about. I'd be content taking that over waghs.

Can the added effect proc on each hand?

Edited, Apr 12th 2010 1:19am by bsphil

Well the damage will max out at 10/hit, usually hit for 8/9/10 if you aren't having issues with resists. I've tested pretty thoroughly with my ice dmg+15 fay lance, just never had the opportunity to try a h2h with it.

Edited, Apr 12th 2010 12:28pm by bsphil

On my 784th Oberon's attempt today, I got this:

DMG +2
Hand-to-Hand Skill +3
Attack +4

My first time ever seeing Hand-to-Hand skill... I only had 1 attempt left after that, so I took it. I have max merits and Faith Torque, so that +3 H2H skill should put me at the next damage tier of 282.

I'm assuming that it's still beaten by Waghs, so I'm gonna keep trying for something better, but posting here in hopes that someone will be nice enough to post how close it matches up math-wise.

Edited, Apr 12th 2010 11:00pm by KodoReturns

Dmg +1 H2H+8 attack +4. Kept em but should I be using over waghs? 8/8 h2h merits and torque

Well you're definitely getting one base DMG out of the skill (though with a torque and 8/8 h2h unfortunately the most DMG+ you can get from oberon's in h2h skill is just one). With a torque that's also hitting a 2X1 skill tier (281 specifically) so you're only getting +7 acc. Still DMG:+17 Delay:+51 Accuracy+7 Attack+12 is pretty damn solid, I'd say a definite sidegrade or possibly slight upgrade to waghs but most importantly without the annoying latent crap to worry about. I'd have no problem getting rid of waghs for those.

Ok, so you can boost/nerf the damage based on the weather/time of day. Both fists is good to know.

15 procs out of 104 hits is pretty sad. Were you doing any swinging while hitting maneuvers that have a visible gearswap? From my experience in using my own Fay Lance, you will NOT see added dmg listed in the log if you blink during an attack. It's akin to skillchain damage, how it won't show if you swap gear before the animation completes. PUP, if using a maneuver every 10-20 seconds, would probably get hit the most with this false damage loss. Even on DRG in a merit party I recorded a 55.5% proc rate of ice dmg on greater colibri, so <15% just seems far too low.



Edited, Apr 13th 2010 2:03pm by bsphil

Since apparently whenever someone gets an Oberon's augment they post on the forums asking how it stacks up, I made a little applet to do the dirty work for you guys. Just put in your h2h skill without the oberon's in, then add in the appropriate augments that you have (didn't include pet stuff or added effect stuff because those stand on their own and are pretty obvious). Hope that makes understanding an augment you get easier to understand on the fly.

Yeah I don't have any fancy hosting or domains so I just use my personal Apache server, so if the link doesn't work (and there's a very good chance it won't) let me know.

Best i got was one with +3 h2h skill just dose not seem worth the time and gil when there seems to be better h2h weapons out there that are a lot easer to get.

bsphil, check my Oberons out, if you don't mind? +1 DMG, +7 H2H and -4% auto PDT. I've got the feeling its on the wrong side of borderline.

Could you send me that applet? I'd like to put it up on my website.

Sure, sent a PM.

Bsphil, you've probably mentioned it over 9000 times, but would mind posting the minimum stats people should look for in order for Oberon's to be better than Wagh's?

Thanks for your insight!

It's complicated, but you basically need some h2h skill and at least +17 DMG. I'm talking to a couple people to get my evaluator posted somewhere online (hopefully on the ffxiwiki page for oberon's sainti) so as soon as you get a pair when you win the fight you can eyeball it on the fly.

Excellent! Thanks muchly, though I've gotten pretty good at evaluating weapons, it's still useful to have. (At least I can evaluate Oberons vs Wagh)