Get ready for the wave of noob PUPsFollow

wat does this tactical processor do, lol.

lolRagnarok.

From what I saw there were a lot more gimp PUPs there than there are here on Cerberus.

*hit with stick hit with stick >:(*

Im so glad i got every last one of the big name attachments before they jumped in price, let alone after THIS update. Jesus hell, im glad im already decently geared out as well, less frustrating hours competing against new pups for gear.

*Beats with a stick some more*

Glad I just put together a targetting the captain static with some ls friends. I get the attachments that I need, they get everything else, including the attachments I already have. I max PUP, they get gil.

It's good to have a fun linkshell.

At your level the gear barely makes a difference since there is so little DD gear to choose from. People don't invite PUPs because they are just a hassle to deal with, good gear or not. I doubt people are thinking of the "crappy" gear but rather the time that the PUP's auto got killed and he couldn't reactivate (loltimer), or the time they level synced and the auto vanished with 19 minutes left on the activate timer.

I am just glad I got all of my attachments and 6/6 relic before this. Now every single person in my Dynamis shell who had leveled PUP for another Usukane job wants the Pantin Cape and higher cost attachments.

also that target the captain, if not capped at 75 well become very easy for a lvl 90+ group.

Tell them all to go get Buffoon's collars!

Yeah, I reactivated my account today to pick up some of the attachments I'd been holding out on (turbo charger+optic fibre), before the influx of bandwagoners hike the price >_>

There weren't any tranquilizers or economizers on though |:

You know... at first I was really happy about the A H2H rating. I was jumping with joy. But then I gave it some thought. Really, I think it's gonna hurt us. We were already fantastic with what we had, just people didn't understand us. But now, people are going to start liking pup FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS

Think of it, it's like a healing SMN. People don't really know what smn can do, they just use them to heal. Now people are going to look at pup as a DD mnk, NOT AS A PUP. No one is going to care about what the puppet can do, and people lvling it up will focus on themselves and not the puppet.

I also really really hate the fact that we all went through hell as pup, constantly being made fun of, people telling us we couldn't do it, and still we never gave up on the job and gave it a good name always. And now all those people are eating their words, again, for the wrong reasons. Now everyone wants to jump on the bandwagon and say "Hey pup is great!" I already really hate all those people... People are seriously going to start looking at us completely different now, for a reason I really don't want.

PUP, imo, was meant to just have your puppet deal the majority of all the dmg, with you being able to deal some. But that's why people hated us, because they didn't SEE big numbers from US, but never pay attention to what the puppet is doing. And yes, a lot of noob puppets would give us a bad name because they didn't know how to work the puppet or didn't have attachments. I see DRG as more like a job that has a pet that just adds dmg, and the drg themselves doing the most dmg. Somewhat of a same concept for bst in some cases. But pup the idea of the job was to utilize the puppet, not really the master as much. But with the upcoming change, people are going to look at our puppet as being useless and won't care about what it can do

Thank you SE, for us original pups who cherish the job for what it is really do appreciate it. But dammit for what the future of the job may become.......

That kind of rational thought gets you rated down around here, so be careful. It's bad to disagree with the people who support the A rank.

Once they see the mistake they've made, SE will tweak our damage-dealing capabilities back down. They probably won't reduce the A rank, though. We'll probably see our nerf in the way of Stringing Pummel. I can't see them leaving it as potent as it is when our accuracy is on par with a monk's.

I'd like to see how they plan on balancing us against well-geared monks. Because if things stay roughly the same, a monk will end up being a PUP with no puppet.

I think it will help us alot more then it will hurt us.

The more people leveling the job, the more interest in the top name attachments. The more people interested in those attachments, the more people looking for different ways to get them, eventually leading the more on the market.

Targeting the Captain, and Ob are not the most difficult things on the planet, they're just considered a waste of time for anyone who isn't just chilling with a pup friend. With more and more people looking for a stronger job to use, Pup attachments will decrease in price.

Especially with the server merges, it won't be overnight but this is why the Volan's Greaves, Mountain Gaiters (iirc) and Optical Needle all went down in price.

SE will probably add more attachments as long as they're looking at the job.



Someone else said it, but it goes as simply as need be:

"Pup haters, will quiet down. Pup lovers, won't shut up. It won't make a bad Pup great, but only make the great pups even greater and where they should have been."

Pup, is not Dragoon. When they repaired the lol - Drg sentiment it carried by doing an update of along the same lines (Make them more accurate, hit harder, and make their pets more noticeable) you got a wave of old Drgs and new Drg's who just want another Mnk, Drk, or War.

Because of that, you have Drg/Dnc, which is the biggest solo joke combo in quite some time, especially the amount of time they spent into making Drg/Whm such a beastly combo.

It cheapens the uniquness of the job when you just blend them together. There "was" no other job like Drg and it had the Drk rivalry at the time to make it even better. Now its lost all that, its more like another DD. Pup has rivalries with everybody, but none stand out like our compeition from Monks.

This will ultimately make the bad Pups with good gear and horrible auto skills, just like that of a Monk without an O.Kote. Decent, passable, but you'd like it more of its own thing. You know, the kind of thing that makes us top DD for the first 40 levels or so with the right skill.

But as I said, Pup is not Drg. You cannot play it like any other melee, you cannot play it like any other mage, hell even if you play Bst, you can't play it like that either.

Pup is its own entity, a micromanaging, three steps ahead, high maintenance mechanic that takes alot of practice to get from watching its puppet die on Decent challenges, to soloing Wamoura's or chaining VT's. (Fun things to do.)

There will be a wave of new Pups, but this is not a job you can Astral Flow leech either, much like Blu. You got to put in the time, to get the most out of it. And because of this, this is a buff, if not a blessing when you factor in everything.

Edited, Mar 1st 2010 6:19pm by TheLordOfTheSandwhich

Easiest way to prepare for the new wave of PUP is to convince them that Guard is really really really really useful and MUST be maxed out. Those mandys in Bibiki Bay need something to do.

No, the concept of the job was to utilize BOTH the master AND puppet.

Yes. Vastly. There are way too many people doing it wrong for it to be "easier" than a standard DD job like WAR. Plus, having merited on a wide range of jobs including DDs, healers, and BRD, PUP is probably the busiest next to BRD. And realistically, BRD is less work to merit on (but not as fun either).



Edited, Mar 1st 2010 11:29pm by bsphil

I totally agree, I don't think a vast majority of people are ready for what PUP really entails. There's just so much going on in the background that can't be seen in chat logs or in /check from the outside.

I suspect the number of complete strangers leveling as new PUPs that send me tells asking PUP questions is going to drastically increase when I'm idling on it.

And for what it's worth, I never get tells about any other job while I'm idle on it, but I've seriously gotten probably a half dozen tells while idle on PUP75 asking me questions about game mechanics with PUP. Bandwagoners are in for a rude awakening. If people are so desperate as to do a /sea all pup 75 to find me back when PUP was "lol", I can't imagine the traffic post-patch.




Edited, Mar 2nd 2010 1:21am by bsphil

i love how bandwagoner's think, "if youve got all the gear you must be good at the job" but is it gonna be fun to see how they react to how PUP actually works and if they get it right

14 PUP's on Fairy atm and 13 are 43+ so no new wave here.... unless there all hiding /anon until we get the A skill :P

I get a few of those every now and then myself. And I won't be sympathetic either. One time I came across an old friend in whitegate on pup. Wearing mostly full af at 75. I blew a gasket on him. I told him he shouldn't be full timing af gloves. He told me that he needs to keep them on at all times to get the prevents overload effect. What? Where the hell did he get that idea?


I told him to at least go and get some bloody cobra gear until he gets relic and other pieces. But ooo I was pissed lol.

You make good points Anza.

Also wanted to say the same about the ones you made over on the MNK forum recently. Good to have an actual good player to counter point the tired "my job is gonna beat your now!" crap some ppl were spewing.

I guess it's pretty awesome that with the PUPdate more players will recognize PUP, play PUP and eventually understand the things we can do. But one of the reasons I've given up every other job to play PUP full time is because of the exclusiveness of the job. Meaning, there weren't that many PUP players and I liked that fact. I liked the idea of being in a small group of players that not many people really fully understood. It was awesome to surprise people with the automaton's abilities and the master's own.

But now there will probably be a spike in PUP players. But for how long will it last? Like some of you have said in earlier posts, the amount of effort one must throw into PUP may be too much for some. These "band wagoners" may come from a DD background and even when the PUP's H2H skill receives the boost, PUP isn't like any other DD. Unlike a DRG that also has a pet, the Automaton is much more complicated. These new players can't just get by with shiny equipment but they also have to learn the maneuver patterns, gather attachments, cap three Automaton skills, etc. etc.

If we do see a surge in PUPs in the coming month, I don't believe it will last very long. But who ever is willing to take the plunge into what was once "lol" territory, be my guest. I'm all for new PUPs as long as they are good and knowledgeable.

EDIT:
Also about MNKs. My first 75 job was MNK and so with PUP getting an "A" rating in H2H also, I dont think MNKs are really worried. To me, MNK and PUP are different. It's easy to compare them because both of their main weapons are H2H but the comparison stops there. Most MNKs won't really care about PUPs update. And they shouldn't, it's really no big deal. I don't know about these Job rivalry things, it's strange. People are still going to invite and see MNKs as primary DDs. That's not going to change. I don't think PUP threatens MNKs in anyway either. MNK and PUP comparison is easy to be made but they're apples and oranges, they are both too different.

Edited, Mar 2nd 2010 8:37pm by Yll

This is what I have been telling the bandwagon PUPs

"You were not there when the highest spell with out merits was water 3. The puppets combat was a letter skill below what it is now, and the category 2 merits were not giving even more of a boost. There was no desire for PUP, no pts, no AF2, no armor piercer, no cobra. You are not a PUP go level SAM."

That makes me a rude @#%^, but it is a slap in the face to only want us or to be one of us because "hey they are good now".

On a side note, yay for automaton survivability. That one was long over due, but why is it only for harlequin (lol?) and valoredge?

Edited, Mar 3rd 2010 1:50am by BelenosSwiftWater

What is going to change is that we're going to have to work a lot harder to manage enmity. It's always been the case that we pull a lot less hate in proportion to the damage because our damage is split across ourselves and the puppet, mainly because of our C rating. Making that an A is going to make us more like MNKs in that regard.

I predict the end of the WAR subjob at 75. We're going to need /NIN an awful lot more just to survive our own damage output.

Either that or wear full Cobra Unit... ;)

Edit: typos

Edited, Mar 3rd 2010 4:37pm by Laverda

You could go /WHM and just use the MP to haste and Cureskin yourself at 80+...

/bandwagon

Should some of us string together some updated post's for our sticky? I think since pup is such a complex job, while a great deal of information is avaible for people, the nitpicky stuff that really makes good pups good seems to be dicussion in threads that may not be recently covered in the FAQ section.