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#1 Aug 05 2009 at 12:30 PM Rating: Good
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Was messing around with a wise strap (only 1-2K on AH) to see if the magic crits proc'd on QD ever. Soloed Wulgaru for the most part, killed 2 rats and 2 iriz with group of ppl. Never once saw a QD shot that appeared to be a crit. Anyone done testing or know if it's useless on QD? All my experiences are telling me both magic crits and macc are worthless on QD. Against wulgaru i accidentally hit warlocks once instead of wizards and immediately got half resisted (one of maybe 5 resisted shots the entire fight). Be nice if there was a strap for QDing but imo the elem acc and the wise both have 0 effect.
#2 Aug 05 2009 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I would love to see some serious testing on this. Keep in mind that the added number is the proc rate. It would take 100 or so QDs to have a crit if it's possible. If it indeed is, that would be the only beneficial use of that strap as well.
#3Alobont, Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 2:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Since QD cant crit normally, I highly doubt it.
#4 Aug 05 2009 at 3:02 PM Rating: Good
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Black magic can't crit normally either. It just adds some MAB at random times. I actually wish someone would test if it can proc on cures too. Like, maybe it adds cure potency and not just MAB but nobody knows it. Cures can crit on other games.

Edited, Aug 5th 2009 4:02pm by Filian
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#5 Aug 07 2009 at 8:54 PM Rating: Good
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I'd like to see some testing, too. Won't have time to do it myself for a week or so (mega busy season at work).

I've been using Wise Strap for a while now... just for lack of anything else while using staves.
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#6 Aug 08 2009 at 6:42 AM Rating: Default
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M.acc doesn't effect QD. When I was 61? or 65...It's been awhile, I forget -exactly- the conditions now. But I took my brd friend up to sea with me to shoot fish. I spammed light shots and various elemental shots that were neutral to the day/weather(if any); I wanted to test for myself just exactly what effects QD dmg and acc. With no bonuses I was looking at an average of 1/10 shots landing unresisted, the rest fully resisted. With M.acc, this changed to 1 shot unresisted, 2 shots half resisted(25 or 30 second sleep duration) With M.a.b. the result was basically the same for light shot, although it did effect the damage shots. Also tested with/without light staff, and also used the agi etudes with/without light staff; there didn't seem to be a difference in the results with agi etudes with/without light staff, making me feel like there might be some sort of cap...not sure. The results just didn't change much, I really wish I still had that list. I might have it somewhere.

As far as the straps...I don't mind picking one up, but I know in order to find decent results for something possibly very insignificant like this would mean at least 100 shots. >.<
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#7 Aug 09 2009 at 5:34 PM Rating: Decent
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M.acc doesn't effect QD.


Please don't throw stuff out like this. People have seen improvements with warlocks roll and agi and you even suggest staffs don't help? Do not use a single test assuming only 10 shots? at a level where no ammount of buffing may have helped you. I have messed around myself while soloing things like Fort and the robot and played with no staff, no agi , no magic acc setups and seen reists pop up regularly and when I use my normal builds I maybe see 1-3 reists the whole fights.

As for the wise strap I have used it for a couple fort and robot fights and so no procs, I have since stopped using it.
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#8 Aug 09 2009 at 8:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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Was messing around with a wise strap (only 1-2K on AH) to see if the magic crits proc'd on QD ever. Soloed Wulgaru for the most part, killed 2 rats and 2 iriz with group of ppl. Never once saw a QD shot that appeared to be a crit. Anyone done testing or know if it's useless on QD? All my experiences are telling me both magic crits and macc are worthless on QD. Against wulgaru i accidentally hit warlocks once instead of wizards and immediately got half resisted (one of maybe 5 resisted shots the entire fight). Be nice if there was a strap for QDing but imo the elem acc and the wise both have 0 effect.


Wups. My original post there was pretty jumbled. M.acc didn't appear to change my results when I was testing, but since I was testing with only 10 shots per setup it's pretty much a moot point I guess? Agi and staves definitely had a significant change in the tests between nostaff/staff, and noagi/agi. Sorry about that. +)

It was quite some time ago, I apologize for saying it like a fact instead of saying it like it is, just an eyeballed guess.

Edited, Aug 9th 2009 11:27pm by FenrirXIII
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#9 Aug 10 2009 at 6:40 AM Rating: Decent
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People have seen improvements with warlocks roll


Admittedly these claims are just as inaccurate as FenrirXIII's results as they were based on "eyeballing" in general.

I've used Warlocks many times to boost QD ACC and I'm less than convinced its been beneficial.
Staves definitely help (but they work differently than MACC) and AGI definitely helps. Of that I'm certain. I'm just still on the fence with MACC. Admittedly its hard to find mobs that aren't either totally easy to hit with QD or aren't totally resistant to it.
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#10 Aug 10 2009 at 7:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I've never seen or heard of a QD crit with this strap.

For Warlocks roll I do believe it has some effect with QD. There is a parse with 2 CORs at Tiamat using simialr gear and same amount of QDs and one parsed 50% more than the other. I may be an 'eyeballer' but I have seen results for myself as well with resists. Noramlly with light staff and +40 AGI I can't sleep Fafnir but with warlocks roll up I've been able to several times now.

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#11 Aug 10 2009 at 9:09 PM Rating: Decent
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I may be an 'eyeballer' but I have seen results for myself as well with resists. Noramlly with light staff and +40 AGI I can't sleep Fafnir but with warlocks roll up I've been able to several times now.


Again "eyeball" results over several tries aren't that accurate. i've shot a ton of Wind shots at Kirin and have about as many unresisted shots with or without warlocks up. That's my eyeball result in an endgame situation. In dynamis I can sleep everything in MP gear with light staff but need to switch to AGI gear to sleep NM's. I rarely have Warlocks roll up but it never helps overcome the resistance of statues to QD.

So i'm sure it likely does affect QD. i'm just waiting for that, "oh ****" moment where it becomes obvious. Not happened so far.
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