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I'm a new Cor, just hit 75 earlier this week, and I apologize if this question has been covered before. My question is: When is Samurai Roll more useful in merit parties than other DD rolls?
More and more parties ask for it and from my understanding it's useless unless it turns a 6-hit into a 5 hit build.


From my understanding with full store tp merits it takes an additional +34 store tp for a SAM with a 450 delay weapon (which includes the 2 most used GK, Hagun and Ominaru)

So basically, I would have to roll a 2, 10 or 11 in order to make Samurai Roll even worth it. Thats a 3/11 chance or roughly a 30% chance of this roll being useful.

Now if the SAM is a using a 480 polearm with a 5-hit build already then this roll would not be able drop it to a 4 hit build correct? Making this roll totally useless.

Sorry for all the questions any but any help would be appreciated.

What Dartagnann said except:



Double attack does squat for a RNG, and I know they love 20+ TP returns. Even if I only have one RNG, I would rather do a buff that benefits everyone and not just melees.

I do pretty much that..and with the fact I have my Relic Hat (even if it's not 100% proc rate) I just alternate in SAM roll. Even more so with Snake Eye merited.

I don't know all the info. All I know is i've hit a max of 25TP a shot on my cor and have had warriors and dragoons claim getting around 40TP return on a multihit WS. If that isn't good, I don't know what is.

you gotta feel for what rolls you wanna throw out.

I've had BRD COR pts and COR COR pts, and some where im the only upkeep job, all at bird camps (and ppl say odin is overcrowded)

Chaos for all pts DD's reguardless of situation

in BRD COR pts
if we have SAMs but not WARs Samurai's roll
if we have WARs but not SAMs Fighter's Roll
If we have both, Fighter's roll

my mathematical reasoning for this is, i think double attack is cooler than store tp

double COR pts (lolz)
1:Chaos
2:Hunters
3:Fighters / Samurai's (see BRD COR pts)
4:throw out other #3 roll and if we run outta birds to kill, switch it to COR roll

as for single COR pts
1: Chaos
2: Fighters / Samurai's (see BRD COR pts)
2*: if the dd's are still having a hard time hitting they can have hunter's. I prefer hunters most of the time though because it helps out multi-hit WS's of which most jobs use at 75. with the exclusion of PUP and SAM(with no polearm).

And yes i do invite PUP's into my merit pts whenever possible. Armor Peircer (Sharpshot Automaton, WS around 75) hits for maybe 1.5k - 1.8k per shot which is pretty stupidly crazy.

all in all i dont think there is really a set rolling scheme set in stone for COR, as long as your not throwing out BRD and PLD rolls you should be ok..

I throw out random rolls in about 30% of my pts just for sh*ts. have fun with it!

Preach it, brutha! (PUP is my "true" main, COR my 2nd place). It's true though, a good PUP with Sharpshot frame is definitely a {Bird Killer}.

But by the way, PUP's best WS (Stringing Pummel, the Nyzul WS - essentially PUP's Asuran Fists) is indeed a multi-hit that they LOOOOVE accuracy for. I know a lot of PUP don't have it and need to rely on Howling Fist, but for those PUP who do have Stringing unlocked... they'll love you for Hunter's Roll.

I personally would want Chaos/Hunter's for almost any situation on PUP where I'm punching stuff. PUP never scoffs at more Acc due to working against their low H2H skill caps. PUP gets less benefit from SAM roll than most melee, since the damage is split between master and puppet, and puppet doesn't benefit at all from non-pet rolls. The master's WS alone is far less important than on a lot of jobs like SAM, WAR, DRG, MNK, etc. Same deal for Fighter's Roll - Double Attack is certainly better than nothing, but not as big a deal for PUP's comparatively low single hit damage/TP than it is for the 2-handers, and getting the master to 100tp faster is also less of a concern as described above..

Caveat: unless you're using your tp for dances. DNC and /DNC will get use out of Store TP regardless of "X hit to 100tp" builds.



Doesn't sound like much, but if people are already parsing 90%+ Acc...

Slightly off-topic, but that is horrible statistical analysis. This is not a single roll situation of values 1-11, but very likely a situation of multiple rolls. Not to mention there is an aspect of intelligent choice; for example, there is no reason to EVER have a total of 1/3/4/5 for SAM roll.

I've been in 2 other pts so far (and love building these pts btw) that we had the COR use BST and PUP rolls.

one was PLD WHM COR PUP PUP PUP (lolz) at level sync 46(i think) in quicksand caves. my Arcaballista was hitting for like 220 on spiders was a fun time

the other was:
PLD PUP BST COR BRD WHM level sync at 65 at mount zhalyom.

but yeah if your # of pet jobs make up all the DDs you may want to consider pet rolls. i dunno bout drg's though cause their pets dont make up a majority of damage in a pt, so its your call