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#52 Jul 08 2009 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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COR/WHM is a perfectly fine choice. It however is not the best choice.


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(Although I do go /whm to Salvage runs.)
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#53 Jul 08 2009 at 6:50 AM Rating: Good
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Any party that can get chain 6 or 7 can in theory get chain 6 or 700. The most formidible obstacle to any party's chain has more to do with the fortitude of your bladder than the awesomeness of your COR. Good pulling is crucial too. Other than that yeah, pretty much any 6 gimps can chain infinitely, again in theory.

PS. Still not sure why we needed a new thread for this.


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#54 Jul 08 2009 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
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I prefer /WHM over /DNC in merit parties, but only because I don't go full-on mage with it. I worked hard on my melee setup and I'm **** well going to use it. I pop sushi, I manipulate rolls so that I end up with Hunter+Evoker, and I stab the mob with my Joyeuse. If someone needs a cure, /ma "Cure III" <stpc>. I leveled DNC to 75 and I know I'm **** good at curing while meleeing.

With /WHM, I get to keep all my TP for Slugshot while still curing as long as I get Refresh.
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#55 Jul 08 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think you or any other COR "needs" to spend 100k per level but why would I want a COR over a BRD if you're going to focus on buffing?


Because BRDs are not exactly very available and people will take what they can get? (Not that CORs are very available either, but it is another option)

Not to mention the fact that BRD+COR is generally more desirable than BRD+BRD, if we're talking about 2x support pts


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COR DD is nothing like RDM DD,


It is in the sense that nobody else cares if you can do it. Which was my point.

It does not change the fact that when my RDM gets invited it's because they wanted heals/Haste and maybe Refresh, just like how when a COR gets invited it's because they want his buffs and maybe a puller if they are BRD-less and desperate.

Edited, Jul 8th 2009 5:43pm by Fynlar
#56 Jul 08 2009 at 3:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I prefer /WHM over /DNC in merit parties, but only because I don't go full-on mage with it. I worked hard on my melee setup and I'm **** well going to use it. I pop sushi, I manipulate rolls so that I end up with Hunter+Evoker, and I stab the mob with my Joyeuse. If someone needs a cure, /ma "Cure III" <stpc>. I leveled DNC to 75 and I know I'm **** good at curing while meleeing.

With /WHM, I get to keep all my TP for Slugshot while still curing as long as I get Refresh.

So I'm guessing you don't use Corsair's Roll?

The advantage of /DNC over /WHM, in your case, is that you get to keep 2 DD rolls (or 1 DD roll + Corsair's).

Edited, Jul 8th 2009 4:12pm by redvenomweb
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#57 Jul 08 2009 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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It is in the sense that nobody else cares if you can do it. Which was my point.

The good (smart) players do care about COR damage, as Sandmasterr explained earlier in this thread. Many just want their ego's boosted by rolls, and yes, couldn't care less what the COR was doing as long as they look better. I avoid those players as they're not only annoying to play with, but they're generally inferior to those that actually realize the reality of what is happening.

I don't understand the point in continually stating that some only care about rolls on a forum. This is universally understood; stating it over and over serves what purpose, exactly?
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To be honest, I haven't been COR75 for very long. I haven't had much luck with the DDs in my parties so I haven't been able to get a good Corsair's roll party.
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I don't understand the point in continually stating that some only care about rolls on a forum. This is universally understood; stating it over and over serves what purpose, exactly?


If it is so understood, why does this thread/topic continually come up as often as it does?
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I don't understand the point in continually stating that some only care about rolls on a forum. This is universally understood; stating it over and over serves what purpose, exactly?


If it is so understood, why does this thread/topic continually come up as often as it does?


people can't keep ideas straight. throw "people don't care about your DD" and "COR can be a good DD" and "play however you want" and "meriting is easy" etc all together in a pot, and perceived contradictions will start a flame war.
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I don't understand the point in continually stating that some only care about rolls on a forum. This is universally understood; stating it over and over serves what purpose, exactly?


If it is so understood, why does this thread/topic continually come up as often as it does?


Because only a certain percentage of people are smart?
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This thread makes my head hurt! It is obvious to me that people are still ignorant about COR and think infinite chain = best xp eva.

Some people seem to think a COR's dmg is lost in the mix and limits of repop timers. I mostly merit with friends and when they do pickup parties and get a COR who stands around with his thumb up his *** only rolling they whine to me. So yes people do notice IF they know what they are looking for. Just an FYI I parse 19-20% in parties normally and those parties pull 29-32k/hr. SO my damage is not lost in the mix of everything else.
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#63 Jul 09 2009 at 12:40 PM Rating: Good
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There was another thread about how STR, AGI, ratt and gorgets each influenced slug shot's dmg. That thread, combined with me finally getting a parser and seeing i was landing 95%+ of my slugs influenced me to pile on STR and finally go /war to merits. Needless to say my dmg was taken to an entirely new lvl.


I would like to see this thread if someone can provide a link to it?

I recently hit a few damage caps on my slugs and detonators and would like to know what i can mix and match for my WS-SLug and WS-Detonator macros to up my game. Much appreciated if you can find it for me :)

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People sure do forget what fun is.

Yeh COR is expensive,
yeh COR can DD
Yeh COR is looked as a support.

If you look at what it is and what people see it as your not going to have much fun. If you are leveling or thinking about leveling it and are worried "Am I going to be useful or am I going to do enough damage?" then your in the wrong boat.

If you dont have enough friends or LS mates who will let you come as a job because you want to play it then you need more friends or a different LS. You should play the job that you have fun on, not so you can find out what other people think.
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#65 Jul 09 2009 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
Silvra wrote:
what fun is.


Fun is relative

Silvra wrote:
If you are leveling or thinking about leveling it and are worried "Am I going to be useful or am I going to do enough damage?" then your in the wrong boat.


Put this in the sticky, every COR needs to read that before they hit level 20

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You should play the job that you have fun on, not so you can find out what other people think.


Here is imo the right thing, if you are say a WAR using a GS or a COR meleeing with two trailers kukri, which is not uncommon and that is fun to the person doing it.

1) Get out
2) Solo, campaign, team up with friends to kill something
3) Do not say its wrong or elitist or rude and so on

If you come to a merit pt, the people there want one thing, XP, if you feel the need to hinder that by having fun in a less efficient way, there is nothing wrong with that but as they say, you don't have to go home but you cant stay here.

Most people do not want to merit with people who rather have fun via lowering XP, generating issues, and causing them to have to take longer to get XP they are there for in the first place.

Edited, Jul 9th 2009 7:00pm by BelenosSwiftWater
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#66 Jul 09 2009 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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I would like to see this thread if someone can provide a link to it?

I recently hit a few damage caps on my slugs and detonators and would like to know what i can mix and match for my WS-SLug and WS-Detonator macros to up my game. Much appreciated if you can find it for me :)


here
#67Esoa, Posted: Jul 09 2009 at 6:55 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Um, the first BRD does double march.
#68 Jul 09 2009 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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Esoa wrote:
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Why on earth would you want a 2nd BRD instead of a COR who isn't going to DD? COR buffs are better than BRD buffs except for double haste on well geared players.

2x March is reason enough to take a 2nd BRD over a buff only COR to me, add in a higher accuracy and better recast sleep than Light Shot, better recast Dispel, and it starts to add up. My point is a COR needs to do a lot more than "just buff" to be of higher value than a 2nd BRD.


Um, the first BRD does double march.

A BRD puller can sleep just fine so you only need backup sleeps and if you're at Colibri you don't even need that. What exactly do you need to dispel that you can't do between dark shot, the puller's dispel, and the RDM's dispel. Heck if you need dispel so badly you can go COR/SCH (and hey, you get some extra sleeps then too!).


BRD + BRD is fine, but the idea that 2x minuet > COR buffs is... let's just say that this is one of those arguments that gets decided by 2 minutes worth of math, and buff-only COR is the blaringly obvious better choice.

for one, chaos roll gives more ATT than minIV, and minIII increasing party damage enough to get you more XP than COR roll is preposterous. i'm fairly sure WAR roll, SAM roll, and **** probably even THF roll stomp minIII. we could talk about madrigal and actually do some math, but it reallllly shouldn't be necessary...
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#69Esoa, Posted: Jul 09 2009 at 7:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Wow 20%! Why bother bringing any other DD than COR? You could have every DD roll on you then imagine your damage output!
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BelenosSwiftWater wrote:

Most people do not want to merit with people who rather have fun via lowering XP, generating issues, and causing them to have to take longer to get XP they are there for in the first place.


When it comes to COR, you're wrong about this. As others have stated over and over most people do not care what playstyle you adopt with COR as long as a) you buff them and b) you are doing something, anything in the time you aren't buffing.
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Wow 20%! Why bother bringing any other DD than COR? You could have every DD roll on you then imagine your damage output!


You should just leave now and stop making yourself look bad. I do not know what else to say to you other than insults so I will not say anymore. No seriously please leave.
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Wow 20%! Why bother bringing any other DD than COR? You could have every DD roll on you then imagine your damage output!


You should just leave now and stop making yourself look bad. I do not know what else to say to you other than insults so I will not say anymore. No seriously please leave.


really this thread should just stop. can i summarize it?

1) COR can DD, well.

2) COR buffs are great.

3) COR buffs are good enough to justify a COR slot in PT.

4) logic lesson time guys! (3) does not entail that you shouldn't DD on COR.

5) no one cares how big your epeen is.

6) COR DD is expensive.

7) you get to decide what's "ok" to do in a party, and other people get to not party with you if they disagree.

8) it's easy to get a lot of XP in ffxi.

9) only ELITE PLAYERS like carrilei or whatever get 40k/hr.

10) if a list gets to 10, we have too much going on and flames will ensue.

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if anyone wants to continue the list, go for it, but note that (10) entails that if you actually try to post to continue this thread, you'll get in an argument.
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9) only ELITE PLAYERS like carrilei (not milich) or whatever get 40k/hr realize that judging a merit party by "infinite chains" is laughable.

FTFY.
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#74 Jul 09 2009 at 9:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Wow 20%! Why bother bringing any other DD than COR? You could have every DD roll on you then imagine your damage output!


I've often wondered what a 3 COR 1 BRD 1 DD 1 RDM party could accomplish.
Chaos, March x2, Fighters, Rogues, SAM, Hunters, COR roll on all the frontliners would be fun to watch. Doubt it would outdo another setup but it still would be pretty cool on birds.
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Carrilei wrote:
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9) only ELITE PLAYERS like carrilei (not milich) or whatever get 40k/hr realize that judging a merit party by "infinite chains" is laughable.

FTFY.


11) only people who can do elementary school math don't let their jaw hit the floor when their 20k/hr party becomes 22k/hr.
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#76 Jul 10 2009 at 1:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Most people do not want to merit with people who rather have fun via lowering XP, generating issues, and causing them to have to take longer to get XP they are there for in the first place.

most people do not care what playstyle you adopt with COR as long as a) you buff them and b) you are doing something, anything in the time you aren't buffing.


Half true, bit fallacious, and you are not wrong in what you said, but since you quoted that people do not want to merit with those who lower xp, which makes no sense to want unless it is one of those merit pts my friends try to have me make, even then I do not want to, but I digress.

Bottom line, something said endlessly, there is more to COR than just rolling and not DDing.

If someone invites a COR only to roll:

1) The person does not understand COR or the meaning of hybrid beyond conserving gas
2) Might as well only get two BRDs, **** have one sub COR
3) Make sure its a JP COR/WHM
4) Wonder why you want to settle for less XP while your COR stands there
5) Comfort said self by saying that you are not an elitist and it is just a game!

Edited, Jul 10th 2009 5:15am by BelenosSwiftWater
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