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#1 Jul 03 2009 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I've never seen a single COR actually DD, so goddammit, I'm going to do it. I've only seen two /RNG, but neither of them used Barrage or shot except to "pull" with light shot, which amounted to the party running to the mob. I've been wanting to work COR for a while and after I finish up WAR, I'll be starting on it (with capped marksmanship for 75 WAR no less so syncing won't bother me for a long time). I plan to have the best gear, spare no expense on bullets, etc. I have a 75 BRD, so I know how to pull and buff at 2400km/h, but I'll run around with a search comment refusing to pull in favor of pure DD. They have just as much of a right to not invite me as I have to not pull, so I won't feel bad if they don't invite.

Anyway, what sort of damage can I expect from COR for something like the ACP final fight? I don't expect a COR to beat RNG or anything in damage (most of the time), but the buffs and ranged damage would justify its spot anyway (and I know how crazy COR can get with its abilities, subjob abilities, and 2 hour). How would it compare to SAM/RNG for something like that? I've already beaten the fight, but there's a lot of fights where I find that all 6 of my jobs at 75 are basically unwanted, and I'd rather be a stylish DD COR than a RNG or a bulletless COR or a bandwagon SAM any day. Rather, for those BCNM fights where every one orgasms for RNGs, how well does a COR do?
#2 Jul 03 2009 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
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First of all, the term "DD COR" makes me a little uncomfortable. Our first job will always be our buffs and that probably takes up a big chunk of our time and focus. If you're levelling COR only to do damage then be forewarned. All other things being equal, a good COR will be lucky to do 70% of the damage a good RNG can do, and that only stands to go down as your priority shifts to keeping proper buffs up. Of course, with the potential to make everyone else in the party 40% more effective with our buffs, it's easy to justify a COR's place in almost any fight. If it's a fight where ranged DD excel then that's just a nice bonus. Corsair's should absolutely DD at every available opportunity but they should also be careful that it doesn't take the focus, and that's why it's hard to compare it to a RNG or even a SAM/RNG whose one and only job is to hurt things.
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#3 Jul 03 2009 at 3:01 PM Rating: Default
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Buffing isn't hard.
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Regardless of how difficult it is, it takes time. Additionally, there is a difference between buffing and buffing well. It's not the doot-doot-aloot-doot of a BRD we're talking about here.
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#5 Jul 03 2009 at 3:18 PM Rating: Default
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You're making it out to be much harder than it is.
#6 Jul 03 2009 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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Not really; I never said it was hard. I don't understand why you're being disagreeable. Did you have your heart set on DDing 90% of the time? Because if you want to keep a 4-roll rotation up with the best possible totals then you should think again.

I'm not trying to discourage you. I just wanted to make the point that the only thing worse than a COR who only buffs and never DDs is a COR who thinks he's an awesome DD and fails to buff well.
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#7 Jul 03 2009 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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COR for something like the ACP final fight?

I was 2nd in dd to our rng. party was pld whm smn rng cor sam/rng.
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Rather, for those BCNM fights where every one orgasms for RNGs, how well does a COR do?

If you gear for it, then just think of yourself as a rng who cant equip the uber rng gear.

sam/rng has nothing on a properly geared cor/rng, and can be blown out of the water by cor/war. sam/war will kick your *** in dmg tho lol(assuming they dont suck).
#8 Jul 03 2009 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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sam/rng has nothing on a properly geared cor/rng, and can be blown out of the water by cor/war. sam/war will kick your *** in dmg tho lol(assuming they dont suck).


Uh, if I ever got out-damaged on SAM/RNG by a COR I would be pretty depressed. First of all, SAM/RNG typically melees with Soboro for TP and only uses bow for Sidewinder. However, even if you make it a purely 1 on 1 ranged DD battle, SAM has a lot of things on COR, not the least of which is access to a 75 base damage bow and top of the line arrows. Then there's Meditate, Hasso, access to almost all the nice ranged gear that RNG has, and most importantly: the fact that a SAM doesn't have to stop every minute to refresh buffs.

People who dream that COR can or should compare to a full DD are simply out to lunch, or they seriously need to meet more competent DDs.
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#9 Jul 03 2009 at 3:44 PM Rating: Default
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Filian wrote:
Not really; I never said it was hard. I don't understand why you're being disagreeable. Did you have your heart set on DDing 90% of the time? Because if you want to keep a 4-roll rotation up with the best possible totals then you should think again.

I'm not trying to discourage you. I just wanted to make the point that the only thing worse than a COR who only buffs and never DDs is a COR who thinks he's an awesome DD and fails to buff well.


What am I being disagreeable about? You're calling my skill into question about being able to keep up a roll rotation. Jesus Christ man, it's not hard. I'm going to fulfill DD purposes after buffing purposes because I'm going be invited to buff first and foremost, and damage deal after buffing is taken care of. That said, your concern about my abilities and mindset to do something so simple as someone clocking in and out of work at the proper times is not only off-topic, but uncalled for.

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If you gear for it, then just think of yourself as a rng who cant equip the uber rng gear.

sam/rng has nothing on a properly geared cor/rng, and can be blown out of the water by cor/war. sam/war will kick your *** in dmg tho lol(assuming they dont suck).


Thanks for an on-topic response first of all. I was really lacking a ranged damage job, and I'd rather work something I like (COR) than something I don't (RNG, SAM). As far as any situation where a SAM/WAR can deal damage, I have WAR and MNK for that, so I'm not concerned about melee situations.
#10 Jul 03 2009 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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People who dream that COR can or should compare to a full DD are simply out to lunch, or they seriously need to meet more competent DDs.

Or perhalps you're the one that needs to meet more competent Cor DDs.
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Filian wrote:
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sam/rng has nothing on a properly geared cor/rng, and can be blown out of the water by cor/war. sam/war will kick your *** in dmg tho lol(assuming they dont suck).


Uh, if I ever got out-damaged on SAM/RNG by a COR I would be pretty depressed. First of all, SAM/RNG typically melees with Soboro for TP and only uses bow for Sidewinder. However, even if you make it a purely 1 on 1 ranged DD battle, SAM has a lot of things on COR, not the least of which is access to a 75 base damage bow and top of the line arrows. Then there's Meditate, Hasso, access to almost all the nice ranged gear that RNG has, and most importantly: the fact that a SAM doesn't have to stop every minute to refresh buffs.

People who dream that COR can or should compare to a full DD are simply out to lunch, or they seriously need to meet more competent DDs.


We're talking about situations like the final ACP fight in which meleeing is impractical.
#12 Jul 03 2009 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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I swear half the people on this site can't even read or comprehend english properly.

I never called your skill into question nor did I say buffing was hard. I was saying that it takes time and that means less time for DDing.

I already said that even in a purely 1 on 1 ranged DD battle, a decent SAM/RNG would win handily.

And no, I don't need to meet better CORs. You're too infatuated with your COR DD; I guarantee you that if I meritted on SAM/RNG against your COR, I would do at least 50% more damage than you.

Do I really have to say this all again?

Edited, Jul 3rd 2009 4:54pm by Filian
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#13NovaLevossida, Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 3:58 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Shhhh, quiet now. I'm hoping for some on-topic responses instead of more warnings about splitting my concentration between buffing and shooting.
#14 Jul 03 2009 at 4:09 PM Rating: Good
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You're really being a condescending twit for someone who hasn't even leveled the job.

#15 Jul 03 2009 at 4:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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While COR is not a zomgwtfbbq DD, but it is still a DD job. A good COR can hold his own in a merit party, dealing good DMG and still keeping rolls up 100% of the time.
#16 Jul 03 2009 at 4:21 PM Rating: Default
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Siralin wrote:
You're really being a condescending twit for someone who hasn't even leveled the job.


I'd hardly call it condescending. The poster looked he/she had zero credibility and went on an off-topic discussion questioning my ability to play the job properly.
#17 Jul 03 2009 at 4:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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The term 'DD COR' annoys me. It's redundant. I understand the use in saying, for example, "DD BRD," because that job normally does not deal damage. Not true for Corsair, so I don't get why the term 'DD COR' even exists. If you're a COR who doesn't deal damage, you've failed at the job class.
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#18 Jul 03 2009 at 4:35 PM Rating: Default
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Carrilei wrote:
The term 'DD COR' annoys me. It's redundant. I understand the use in saying, for example, "DD BRD," because that job normally does not deal damage. Not true for Corsair, so I don't get why the term 'DD COR' even exists. If you're a COR who doesn't deal damage, you've failed at the job class.


You probably have an idea of what the vast majority of CORs get away with in exp. I use the term only to distinguish the way the job should be played and how it's played by 99% of the players.
#19 Jul 03 2009 at 4:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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I use the term only to distinguish the way the job should be played and how it's played by 99% of the players.

nah not 99%, I'd say more like 50/50, however it takes effort to DD decently where it takes little to none to sub a support like /whm or /brd.
#20 Jul 03 2009 at 4:43 PM Rating: Default
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Our experiences differ then. I've sadly only ever seen one shoot more than once or twice a fight across two servers.
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You're really being a condescending twit for someone who hasn't even leveled the job.


I'd hardly call it condescending. The poster looked he/she had zero credibility and went on an off-topic discussion questioning my ability to play the job properly.


Zero credibility? I guarantee you I have more experience on COR than 80% of the people here. There is literally no event or enemy I have not experienced on COR, except perhaps PW.

And please, where did I ever insult you or question your ability to play? I didn't once, you just threw a hissy-fit when I offered you advice. I hate throwing the N-word around but by getting uppity instead of taking advice from someone who knows better, you've proven yourself to be the perfect definition of a noob and destined yourself to be an embarassment to the job that we care about.

Yes, now I'm insulting.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2009 6:16pm by Filian
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#22 Jul 03 2009 at 5:25 PM Rating: Default
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You sure didn't establish credibility in this topic and decided instead to give out a free, unwanted lecture on how to buff to someone who specifically mentioned that he had a 75 BRD in an effort to avoid a free, unwanted lecture on how to buff. Thanks, but no thanks. Despite your experience it doesn't sound like you "know better" because the extent of this topic is "how much damage can I expect from a COR in a ranged damage scenario" and not "how do I play COR?" I mean, if keeping up 4 rolls and shooting a gun were hard, you might have a case.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2009 8:44pm by NovaLevossida
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Well, for ACP final fight in particular, I'd say COR is one of the absolute best jobs you can have. Will the RNG out-dmg you? He better lol. But he can't improve anyone else's performance and certainly can't do anything to help the mages. I beat the final fight using my COR and the combo of buffs and ranged dmg is really tough to beat. (not to mention with luzaf's ring you can buff the PLD or tank much easier/safer than the brd can).

In general, a really good DD COR can outperform your average meritpo DDs. I've parsed about a dozen pts I've had on COR and I've never finished 4th. I've always beaten at least 1 DD if not two.

I don't mind the term DD COR myself because most CORs don't really seem to know how high their ceiling is. I don't know if I'd say that to be a DD COR (as opposed to a normal one) that you need to be /war for berserk or /rng for barrage but it's amazing how much dmg you get from berserk. I've only pted with one person in a parsed situation whos avg WS dmg was higher than mine is on COR. Ironically, I was on SAM for that pt and a mercy stroke THF was avging 1300+ per WS (though I still won the parse by 7% total dmg). My COR avgs somewhere between 1180-1200 on slugs with /war. If I refused to slug without berserk and chaos up (which would be really lame of me) but if I did... it'd jump closer to 1500. A COR will always get smoked on melee DoT but only samurais tend to beat me in overall WS dmg (due to the sheer # they can pump out).

In merits anyway, I'd say you need to full-time sushi and know how to protect it, have a pretty **** good acc tp set and have a slug set with high lvls of racc and str to be an above-avg COR DD-wise. In other situations, pot-au-feu is insane if melee acc isn't an issue.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2009 9:27pm by TDGSW
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Well, for ACP final fight in particular, I'd say COR is one of the absolute best jobs you can have. Will the RNG out-dmg you? He better lol. But he can't improve anyone else's performance and certainly can't do anything to help the mages. I beat the final fight using my COR and the combo of buffs and ranged dmg is really tough to beat. (not to mention with luzaf's ring you can buff the PLD or tank much easier/safer than the brd can).

In general, a really good DD COR can outperform your average meritpo DDs. I've parsed about a dozen pts I've had on COR and I've never finished 4th. I've always beaten at least 1 DD if not two.

I don't mind the term DD COR myself because most CORs don't really seem to know how high their ceiling is. I don't know if I'd say that to be a DD COR (as opposed to a normal one) that you need to be /war for berserk or /rng for barrage but it's amazing how much dmg you get from berserk. I've only pted with one person in a parsed situation whos avg WS dmg was higher than mine is on COR. Ironically, I was on SAM for that pt and a mercy stroke THF was avging 1300+ per WS (though I still won the parse by 7% total dmg). My COR avgs somewhere between 1180-1200 on slugs with /war. If I refused to slug without berserk and chaos up (which would be really lame of me) but if I did... it'd jump closer to 1500. A COR will always get smoked on melee DoT but only samurais tend to beat me in overall WS dmg (due to the sheer # they can pump out).

In merits anyway, I'd say you need to full-time sushi and know how to protect it, have a pretty **** good acc tp set and have a slug set with high lvls of racc and str to be an above-avg COR DD-wise. In other situations, pot-au-feu is insane if melee acc isn't an issue.

Edited, Jul 3rd 2009 9:27pm by TDGSW


Thanks. I have other jobs I'll merit on, but I'll be using COR quite bit for other things. Either way, I'll have all the subjobs already leveled so I'll pick and choose what's best for each situation.
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On the final fight do you use detonator or slugshot?
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I opted for detonator just based on the fact that I needed to stand so far away from the crystal to prevent having my JAs stolen or taking a bunch of dmg. Slug may have worked too but we were making good time (won with 8 mins to spare) and I decided to play if safe, racc wise.
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