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#1 Apr 22 2009 at 7:08 AM Rating: Good
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I'm currently 72, almost 73, haven't partied 72+ yet where my Dusk comes into play, but since I can't parse myself (360)...I had a couple general questions.

For COR Haste I have Turban (obviously 75 only), Dusk Gloves/Feet, Swift Belt. Accuracy in those slots I have OHat (10), War Gloves (5), Life Belt (10) and nothing really past War Boots for feet. Oh, and I think I currently have 3 sword merits but will likely cap at 8 eventually.

Joyeuse + Martial Gun/Steel Bullets
Spectacles, Suppa, Diabolos Ear (+3 Acc)
SH, Snipers/Woodsman Rings
Amemet +1, Commodore Culottes

I read that /WAR with Sushi and haste looks to push 85%ish on birds...I figure I'll be looking at /RNG with Sushi until at least I get some Denali pants and more merits...but would /RNG + Sushi be decent enough to at least use 10% and keep either Ohat or Life Belt in?

Thoughts? I can't parse or I'd just do that, but if I did merit mobs at 73, would I be able to use much haste with /RNG and Sushi?
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#2 Apr 22 2009 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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Personally I think you're ACC at merit mobs will not be able to sustain the Haste build as you are missing quite a bit. You're missing 3 levels of skill and several Combat merits. Just my Smiley: twocents

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#3 Apr 22 2009 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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That's pretty much what I'm afraid of. I figure Dusk Boots regardless since both War and Dusk offer Attack, but when you get to Gloves (3% Haste vs. 5 Acc) and expecially Life Belt (4% Haste vs. 10 Acc) I think is where I'm really doubting whether I'll be able to use any haste until 75 and some more merits, even with /RNG and sushi.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2009 3:18pm by dawgdchi
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#4 Apr 22 2009 at 8:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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My melee accuracy has been something I've looked at recently also. I have just recently been able to parse my COR. While my ranged acc and my WS have been pleasant surprises (I averaged a shade under 1500 on WS with a high of 2447 last pt), my accuracy on /war with sushi has been not great lol. But I was also pting with ppl who didn't really know what they were doing. They wanted chaos/COR plus double marches on birds...... amazingly enough it was the MNK who pushed for that lol. And his accuracy was horrendous.... 55% i sh*t you not.

Anyway, my own accuracy in that situation was 79% (joyeuse, no sword merits, suppa... pbody, pcc, 2 acc rings, plegs, AF+1 feet, swift belt, cuchu mantle.. a pretty good chunk of acc imo). I'd rather not rely on hunters because even if the pt wants it, i'll only have it 67% of the time at most in a standard 4-roll cycle. Actually the thing that surprised me most is how many ppl *think* they don't need more acc on birds... yet clearly clearly do. Unless the pt is ALL well-geared 2-headers, I think acc roll or song is an absolute must.

Anyway, seeing as SE didn't give us more combat skills, I can't really do sword merits like I'd like to. Short of ditching denali head for OHat, I can't really pile on a significant amount of acc. I'd rather not do that and what gains I'd get acc wise, I'd lose a good chunk of haste (atm, denali head, swift belt, dusk hands... I have more haste gear but on /war you really do need the acc).

I haven't parsed myself /rng with sushi but that was how I used to go mostly. Pretty sure with /rng my acc would be around 90% with sushi. Not capped but more than respectable for a sword skill 245 :P.

So yeah, I'd say that as a joyeuse COR, if you want to melee for tp, you really do have to pile on a ton of acc, even with sushi. I have a melee tp build with a lil more haste built in if I get a pt with a BRD using acc songs or a pt that wants me to use hunters.

Hope that sheds some light on your own accuracy situation.
#5 Apr 23 2009 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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But I was also pting with ppl who didn't really know what they were doing. They wanted chaos/COR plus double marches on birds...... amazingly enough it was the MNK who pushed for that lol. And his accuracy was horrendous.... 55% i sh*t you not.


Whats wrong with Chaos/Cor + Double March, Im Mnk main, and I'd always push for that. My ACC is over 80% and i always eat Mithkabob/CSub or Pizza for capped ACC.

I don't see how 55% is possible for a MNK at 75 unless they have severly under leveled skill from syncing up to 75, but then i doubt a newly leveled player would push for (imo the best song/roll combo if the jobs have the acc) Chaos/Cor + Double March.

I've had ro rush this, in 60secs as im off for work, but I think ~55% ACC would be somewhere around ~315ACC Total on Colibri, if 355ACC is the 75% mark
(not sure if 355 is the 75% ACC mark after level correlation's +4EVA or whether 327 is)
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#6 Apr 23 2009 at 11:48 AM Rating: Good
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Well the NNK was 74, not 75 and I pted with him twice recently. The first time he was still 73 and came out at 47%. WS avg was 250, did less than 9% of total dmg. It was pretty bad. I honestly didn't think accuracy could be that bad on birds and I see no reason why the parse would be inaccurate?

But truth be told, I've seen 2-handers parse under 80% there too with no form of acc roll (though they weren't chowing down on cheap sushi like they probably should have been).

Like I said, if the pt is all well-geared 2hers, Chaos/COR double march is great. It makes life a lil difficult on the COR but he shouldn't be the top DD anyway. I've parsed my COR 5 times now though in traditional 3 melee, COR, RDM, BRD pts and I have yet to come 4th :P. I've come 3rd a few times and been not that far behind 2nd mostly. I managed to win one parse lol but the SAM in that pt opted to hold tp to try and help a friend break a nyzul weapon. All things being equal, I should have placed 2nd in that one.

Last time I had an ebody WAR in the pt and finished 3rd, just 1% behind him (a diff WAR won at 29%, i was 21%+). And this was with me leaving to buff the RDM twice every 6 mins, helping on sleeps (BRD was only 72) and obviously only having chaos on myself 67% of the time while the other melees had it 100%.

My experience thus far has been that the majority of the ppl in those pts so far have not been geared well enough (or been willing to eat lots of sushi) to be at their peak with some kind of acc roll/song.
#7 Apr 23 2009 at 1:04 PM Rating: Default
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Im Mnk main, and I'd always push for that. My ACC is over 80% and i always eat Mithkabob/CSub or Pizza for capped ACC.


Virtually every MNK I've merited with asked for Hunters roll. I always start with CHaos/COR as a default in merits. Every time i've been asked to switch to Hunters it's been the MNK that requested it.

Just a trend i've noticed. And they weren't all poorly geared. Methinks they wanted to use ATT food and ATT gear and let me handle their ACC.
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#8 Apr 23 2009 at 1:54 PM Rating: Default
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If people are in my party and suck that bad I ask the party leader to replace them (or just kick them until someone we know who doesnt suck can get there, 5 man = more exp per kill and 0 for the gimp)

If for some unknown reason I was in a standard pickup merit party (can't see that happening ever again, hell, it hasn't in around 2+ years) I would ask to get the guy replaced, if i got a no answer, then up the flag would go. DDs are a dime a dozen, CORs are not.

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#9 Apr 23 2009 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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Well its not as bad as you think. You forget that swift belt does have a small amount of acc on it so its not a whole 10 acc behind life belt.

For melee feet i have AF+1 but i actually use AF2 because of the additional dex. If i could get the +1 versions it would be awesome. Also the -enmity works nice with my Buccaneers Belt. I know loads of people have called this AF item junk but 2.5 acc to me is more important than 5 STR from the AF+1 feet; especially when COR cries out for ACC with Joyeuse set-up. Alternativly you can use Denali feet.

For hands i use dusk, for waist i use swift and my turban gets changed for a o-hat pending the use of hunters or depending on if i am eating sushi. I usually stick to meat on colibri.

So with 0-hat, PCC, Supp, Palwa, Snipers, AF2 feet and Denali legs/Palwa legs i'm at 53-54 acc with an additional sword skill of 5. I also have 4 sword merits.

I would say hold out on the haste build until 75 and even then be careful about going full-haste because the feet and head are places where COR can gain a ton of accuracy.
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#10 Apr 24 2009 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Virtually every MNK I've merited with asked for Hunters roll. I always start with CHaos/COR as a default in merits. Every time i've been asked to switch to Hunters it's been the MNK that requested it.

Just a trend i've noticed. And they weren't all poorly geared. Methinks they wanted to use ATT food and ATT gear and let me handle their ACC.


Thing is, a decently geared Mnk with 8/8 H2H merits will be over 80% Acc. 2/5's of the time, they'll be capped when Focus is up (Talking Bird camp here).

We get more acc then jobs like Thf, Nin, DW War's because as well as having a JA that gives +30 ACC which can be merited to be up nearly 3/5's of the time, less of our slots are taken up by haste (head, waste, legs, feet) and legs obviously have +7-8acc on them from DEX anyway. H2H is also an A+ skill.

Once a MNK starts moving into Salvage gears and other HQ's, acc rolls/songs really would be a waste (im nowhere near that stage yet, dyna/sky/sea only so far).


Each situation is differnet however. When im on COR, i always start off by asking in /tell what food the DD's are eating (att or acc), in coli camps, I try to encourage cheap crab sushi or mithkabob spam, if the pty's good enough on paper, ill carry a enough to pass some around becasue there are still way more ppl that don't spam cheap food in comparison to ppl that actually do. I don't get the feeling of 'princessness' but i do want the pty to get the most from my buffs, so I will try and 'organize' it so ppl have similar foods, so they all get the most from my rolls.


I always come accross members that want things like fighter/rogue's, and if im in a 'fun mood, ill roll all kinds of combo's if 'fun' is whats really on the agenda. When its down to Business, its Chaos/ Cor's or Chaos / Hunter.

The population as a whole is'nt too good at adapting their style of plays for tanks or for the buffs they are receiving.


Edited, Apr 24th 2009 4:15am by Sandmasterr
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#11 Apr 24 2009 at 3:26 AM Rating: Good
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I have a fully merited MNK with decent gear and honestly i still feel i'm missing too much. I don't parse, granted, but if hunters lets me keep my turban on so i'm full haste then so be it!
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