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#1 Sep 21 2011 at 7:32 PM Rating: Default
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So... say you got blu to 95 in a abyssea pt, and you are missing a whole strech of spells.

What is the minimal set of spells that are needed to make BLU 'work' nowadays?

The 8 trigger spells is a given, but what else should one focus on getting first?
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#2 Sep 21 2011 at 8:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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honestly, if you got blu to 95 and dont know what spells to get then you should probably just retire it right now. i dont have a problem with leeching but you should at least have some idea on how that job is going to work.

So.... say you leeched your blu to 95 without learning any spells and now need to know which to get in order to bandwagon and be "teh leet". in reality, you probably have double digit blue magic skill and couldnt learn worthwhile spells even if we listed them out. go on whichever wiki you prefer. go to the blue mage job. look at the spell list and start at the lvl 1 spells and work your way up. not only are these spells sometimes useful, they are also the only ones you can learn. while you are spending all your time learning spells, it will also give you a chance to skill up your magic to learn worthwhile spells.
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Conserve MP trait, auto refresh trait, DA/TA trait, healing, head ****/sudden lunge, battery charge, animating wail, Quadratic Continuum, Delta Thrust, Benthic Typhoon, Dream Flower.

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#4 Sep 21 2011 at 10:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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go on whichever wiki you prefer. go to the blue mage job. look at the spell list and start at the lvl 1 spells and work your way up. not only are these spells sometimes useful, they are also the only ones you can learn. while you are spending all your time learning spells, it will also give you a chance to skill up your magic to learn worthwhile spells.


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#5 Sep 21 2011 at 11:47 PM Rating: Good
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Your ability to learn spells is going to be severely limited by your low blue magic skill.
If you are going to make blu usable, you are going to take the time to learn all the spells and raise you skill level up. It will probably take just as long to collect the spells. so i think you would raise your skill and learn blue magic at the same time. learn from the bottom, because they will be quickest. check the rate at which you skill up, because that will affect the spells you can learn.

You won't be able to just get the essential spells... it will take you that long to skill up just to learn the ones you want at 95 anyway.
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#6 Sep 22 2011 at 3:32 AM Rating: Decent
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What others said. Take this example from blue mage hunting grounds. The spell sudden lunge. It is lvl 95. You have to be lvl 85 or higher to learn.

This means not your lvl so much as your blu magic skill must be at that lvl. You won't learn any high lvl spell with low skill.

Do an abby party, span sandspin, blugeon, raise skill then farm.
#7TheKhory, Posted: Sep 22 2011 at 4:18 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) So, what do you guys suggest?
#8 Sep 22 2011 at 4:32 AM Rating: Good
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Not at all. Just realize blu is different in magic use than any other job.

As a blm you can say get many spells in Abby say Fire 5. Then immeditaly cast it. Skill won't matter.

Blue magic skill is like a melee weapon skill. you need 200 skill to do rampage on axe. It doesn't matter if your 90 lvl.

You just have to go out and lvl your skill.

Geat head ****, blugeon, and sandspin.

Spend time skill 1-100 outside jueno.
101-130 outside raboo
130-190 Kufful tunnal
190-210 Cape tiergain
210-270 Whitegate area, corbi and puks ok
After that skilling up in abby is easy.

Just know you wont get heavy swing qithout skill say 320 or more.
Good luck, its a minor inconvience but you can achieve it.


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#9 Sep 22 2011 at 9:16 AM Rating: Default
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First thing is get your blue skill up or it will be painful to learn spells also add charged whisker and whirl of rage to that list imho (Blue Burn). I have 2 blue mages one capped one a long way off I been killing statues in sky for 2 days and I learned Heavy strike on my first time seeing it on my capped blu my other still haven't after seeing it over and over so many times I lost count.

My skill is 338 + gloves and still can't learn the high level spells well at all my other account is capped plus all the blu skill gear you can shake a stick at lol.

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#10 Sep 22 2011 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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TheKhory wrote:
That i delevel BLU and level it again from the ground up?
You are already 95. Why suffer through that again?

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That no one should ever level BLU in a Abyssea PT, and should instead content themselves with the 6k xp/hr that soloing brings, because "Thats the right way to do it!"?
It's not about the right way to do it. It's about they way learning BLU spells works. It's not based off your level - it's based off your skill. Trying to learn a level 95 spell with level 1 skill is impossible. It just doesn't work. As such, the suggestion is to learn ALL of the spells because:

a) As you start at the bottom, you'll start with the spells you CAN learn.
b) This will give you spells that you can spam in order to boost your skill. Use the spells as you get them on the next mob you are trying to learn from until you get Bludgeon. Use Bludgeon from then on (cheap spell, decent damage, can skill up a little more quickly than normal because it's multi-hit) along with any others you want/need to use.
c) You'll learn a lot about your spells and job traits by playing around with the spells you learn.
d) You have an added advantage that most of the spells you will be learning will be easier to get because there will be many MORE TW mobs to learn from.

BLU is so.... personal. What you set and what you use varies greatly with how you play your BLU. And, unlike most Hybrids, because BLU is forced to specialize, it gets the ability to be good at what it specializes at.

The suggestions are good ones - you'll learn a lot about the job by listening to what they say. Don't let the elitism of the responses (or the knee-jerk reaction from us old vets) get to you that much. If you care about BLU, you'll master the job. If it's just to be a "Proc-*****", then you'll get exactly that out of it. But, you're going to have to start somewhere, and you're going to have to learn some of the early spells simply to be able to get the others.

One final word of advice: Max blue magic merits. This will help you get spells even quicker, since they do calculate in to your skill at the time that the "learn chance" is rolled.
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#11 Sep 22 2011 at 1:10 PM Rating: Default
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As a blm you can say get many spells in Abby say Fire 5. Then immeditaly cast it. Skill won't matter.

Blue magic skill is like a melee weapon skill. you need 200 skill to do rampage on axe. It doesn't matter if your 90 lvl.


Skill wont matter, except that you will get resisted and not be able to do anything.

There are only 2 places in this game where skill dont matter much - Healing Magic where its bonuses are very minor and summoning magic, that either you reach the tiers above cap or you are uncapped and it doesnt matter.


It is a given that any job that is raised mostly in abyssea will have some catching up to do skillwise.

Comparing Blue Skill to a melee skill is actually a very fair compartion, since i will need skill to learn new spells just as a melee will need skill to learn new WSes.

Thank you.
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#12 Sep 22 2011 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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Sorry to nitpick, but just to clarify, magic can only skill up once per cast. Number of hits won't give you more chances. However, it does decrease the chance to miss completely, thereby increasing the chance to skill up, which is what I think Dracoth was saying.
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#13 Sep 22 2011 at 6:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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It was what I was trying to say. Thanks for clarifying.
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#14 Sep 22 2011 at 10:00 PM Rating: Good
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Skill wont matter, except that you will get resisted and not be able to do anything.


Except any other mage could sub /sch and be auto capped to B+ w/o any skilling.

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That no one should ever level BLU in a Abyssea PT, and should instead content themselves with the 6k xp/hr that soloing brings, because "Thats the right way to do it!"?


And just to be nit-picky, Blu was soloing merits upwards of 10k/hr~ before all this new-fangled FoV/GoV/abyssea business :P
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#15 Sep 27 2011 at 9:22 PM Rating: Default
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figster wrote:
honestly, if you got blu to 95 and dont know what spells to get then you should probably just retire it right now. i dont have a problem with leeching but you should at least have some idea on how that job is going to work.

So.... say you leeched your blu to 95 without learning any spells and now need to know which to get in order to bandwagon and be "teh leet". in reality, you probably have double digit blue magic skill and couldnt learn worthwhile spells even if we listed them out. go on whichever wiki you prefer. go to the blue mage job. look at the spell list and start at the lvl 1 spells and work your way up. not only are these spells sometimes useful, they are also the only ones you can learn. while you are spending all your time learning spells, it will also give you a chance to skill up your magic to learn worthwhile spells.


Wow, what a helpful response. The OPs question could have been worded better, but seriously this is the response you come up with?

He obviously knows that you have to have blue magic skill to learn spells, its a basic fact about the job. He was asking what are the spells he should focus on, as the job has changed significantly with the advent of the lvl cap and the stickies are outdated.

I am sure in your ls you guys have tons of blu's who show up to event etc and are full of helpfull tips, but for example my ls our one blu is rarely on.

Luckily a few of the responses after your are helpful.

Question what is the minimum spots of Inv i would need to decently gear blu as a back up job? could i do it under 10? (assuming i store AF3)

Outside of AF3 and the Blu JSE sword what would you sugest as a top priority for gear for 95?

Edited, Sep 27th 2011 8:24pm by Tyleron

Edited, Sep 27th 2011 8:29pm by Tyleron
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Wow, what a helpful response. The OPs question could have been worded better, but seriously this is the response you come up with?

He obviously knows that you have to have blue magic skill to learn spells, its a basic fact about the job. He was asking what are the spells he should focus on, as the job has changed significantly with the advent of the lvl cap and the stickies are outdated.

I am sure in your ls you guys have tons of blu's who show up to event etc and are full of helpfull tips, but for example my ls our one blu is rarely on.

Luckily a few of the responses after your are helpful.


what about my post was wrong? what false information did i give? which advice written down was useless? if you did everything in my post, not only would have a mostly complete spell list(which is still pretty impressive) but you would not need to do any extra skilling up unless you are super lucky with learning spells. if you are going 1/1 everytime, you might run into some times you will be required to skill up. my ls does have a ton of blu's but 90% of them have no helpful tips. i am the blu in my ls. so ive fielded many many many of these questions. MANY. and while i do come off a little abrupt, nothing i said is wrong. 7 other people in this thread either agreed with me or said the same thing i did. OP posted twice. and your wonderful post is the only one that disagreed with me. the most interesting part is you dont even sound like you are a blu. 7 people said the same thing i did but they are the helpful ones? seriously, find something false with my post and then come disprove me. oh and by the way,

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Question what is the minimum spots of Inv i would need to decently gear blu as a back up job? could i do it under 10? (assuming i store AF3)

Outside of AF3 and the Blu JSE sword what would you sugest as a top priority for gear for 95?


about halfway down the front page, a couple posts under this one.
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honestly, if you got blu to 95 and dont know what spells to get then you should probably just retire it right now. i dont have a problem with leeching but you should at least have some idea on how that job is going to work.

So.... say you leeched your blu to 95 without learning any spells and now need to know which to get in order to bandwagon and be "teh leet". in reality, you probably have double digit blue magic skill and couldnt learn worthwhile spells even if we listed them out. go on whichever wiki you prefer. go to the blue mage job. look at the spell list and start at the lvl 1 spells and work your way up. not only are these spells sometimes useful, they are also the only ones you can learn. while you are spending all your time learning spells, it will also give you a chance to skill up your magic to learn worthwhile spells.


Wow, what a helpful response. The OPs question could have been worded better, but seriously this is the response you come up with?

He obviously knows that you have to have blue magic skill to learn spells, its a basic fact about the job. He was asking what are the spells he should focus on, as the job has changed significantly with the advent of the lvl cap and the stickies are outdated.

I am sure in your ls you guys have tons of blu's who show up to event etc and are full of helpfull tips, but for example my ls our one blu is rarely on.

Luckily a few of the responses after your are helpful.

Question what is the minimum spots of Inv i would need to decently gear blu as a back up job? could i do it under 10? (assuming i store AF3)

Outside of AF3 and the Blu JSE sword what would you sugest as a top priority for gear for 95?

Edited, Sep 27th 2011 8:24pm by Tyleron

Edited, Sep 27th 2011 8:29pm by Tyleron


Playing Blue Mage properly requires a bit more effort than other jobs, imo. Because people put alot of time into farming spells, several different gear sets (for blood tank,eva tank, healing, melee, WS, INT nukes, MND nukes, idling, and many casting sets depending on mods), and learning the appropriate use of blue mage in each situation; ppl tend to get a little defensive of thier own efforts when someone is making thier job look bad by casting bludgeon for double digits at lvl 95.
I think this defensive posture is justified. It's not every other job in the game, its Blue mage damnit, and many ppl have worked very hard at overcoming the initial lol stigma of blue. They dont want scrubs dragging other player's impression of the job back to the dark ages.
This all being said, you are allowed to skip quesyshroom.
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This all being said, you are allowed to skip quesyshroom.


Noway, that **** wipes shadows, dood.
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This all being said, you are allowed to skip quesyshroom.


Noway, that sh*t wipes shadows, dood.

And it's hilarious to toss a bouncing mushroom at the mob.
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Peimei wrote:
zellbaca wrote:
doctorugh wrote:
This all being said, you are allowed to skip quesyshroom.


Noway, that sh*t wipes shadows, dood.

And it's hilarious to toss a bouncing mushroom at the mob.


It's also the lowest level Compression option if you were desperately trying to make Gravitation. (If only it would cast faster...)

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Well you get CA the same time you get terror touch.
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Well you get CA the same time you get terror touch.


Remember that Azure Lore has that effect now too.
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In Abyssea I'm using Head ****, Quad. Continuum, Goblin Rush, Frenetic Rip (I like the noise), Vanity Dive, Heavy Strike, Whirl of Rage, 3 slots for current procs (remember it will only be one of three elemental spells), Cocoon, Actinic Burst, Animating Wail, Magic Fruit (or Plenilune Embrace), Occultation, Winds of Promyvion and Dream Flower... I've probably missed one.

Battery Charge is a must outside of Abyssea.

Gear wise, Mirage Jubbah is pretty easy to get now from Dynamis - Beaucedine.

To be honest though, if you're only taking up BLU as a proc job with an ls (which I'm assuming is the case as it is just a "back up job"), you could go in wearing nothing and no one would care. If you're looking for a job you can jump on and perform well with (without the protection of a group) then it's really not worth wasting your time half arsing with BLU.

Edit: Benthic Typhoon! Knew I was missing one...

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My advice: Go to the Blue Mage Hunting Grounds thread and use that as a guide to learning blue spells. Why waste time just spamming certain spells to raise blue magic skill when with a tad bit mroe effort you could have a near complete spell list.

Certainly, anyone that has played this game should be able to recognize what spells are potentially useful and target those first starting from lowest level to highest. Any enfeebling spell, job trait producing spell, enhancing spell, healing spell should be targetted. For damage top tier physical spells include Quad Continuum, Benthic Typhoon, Goblin Rush, Delta Thrust, Heavy Strike, Disseverement, Vanity Dive, Whirl of Rage, Hysteric Barrage. For Magical heavy hitters Charged Whisker, Thermal Pulse are my go to spells.

Also get the magus bazubands ASAP and Mirage Keffiyah, Magus Jubbah and Mavi Legs +1. Those will boost blue magic skill to make learning easier.
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Go to a wiki, print out a list of spells with information on what level you get them, what mobs use it and where the mobs are located. Start at the bottom of the list (lowest level) and work your way up while doing pages. I'd prioritize healing spells as they really really help with soloing mobs.

This levels your BLU magic skill while also getting you xp (unless your too high above the mob level, in which case you should learn the spell relatively quickly anyway).

So...
Step 1- Find Blue Magic Spell list
Step 2- Level up your blue magic skill while learning lower level spells
- Once you get to an appropriate level of non-suck and can actually connect with spells in Abyssea, joining a group and spamming spells is a good way to skill up
Step 3- Continue farming spells, prioritizing damage dealing spells and other spells that will increase your damage output (i.e., haste, accuracy and attack buffs) and survivability. Cater your spell farming to what you actually have the most need for.
Step 4- I'm not saying this to be rude, it's just a phrase... Don't be stupid. BLU is tough to play correctly and efficiently. So use your head and assess the needs of your group when you start assigning and learning spells.
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