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#1 Aug 15 2012 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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I haven't played in over a year, but a friend has asked me a question about perpetuation in the game's current state:

Specifically, without Abyssea buffs, strictly from gear, is it possible to make all avatars perpetuation free (or better yet, regain MP while avatar is out) without the need for any particularly difficult to obtain gear? If possible, What other gear would a player need besides AF3+3 & Chatoyant Staff to reach that state for all avatars? (I know the ToM staves can get you there, but are they still required to reach that point? Is Chatoyant as a single weapon enough?)
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#2 Aug 15 2012 at 11:55 AM Rating: Excellent
With empy gear, having your avatars out, it is quite common to actually get mp back. I don't have the ToTM staves and I get back 7mp per tick with all avatars out. The ToTM staves allow you to adjust your gear so that you can put in more refresh pieces if you so choose, or more pet attack/acc stuff to increase your damage output.
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#3 Aug 15 2012 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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Interesting, so what would the gear slots look like?

@7 MP a tic, are you getting refreshed or have some other buff? I'm a little shocked that without the TotM staves, and without Abyssea buffs you are seeing that much come back with an avatar out!
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#4 Aug 16 2012 at 5:34 AM Rating: Excellent
I /rdm, so I have refresh.

HQ Stave / Vox Grip / some ammo item (can't remember the name)
Caller's +2 / Caller's / Caller's / Gifted
Caller's +2 / Summoner's +2 / Evoker's / Fervor
Tiresias' / Diabolos' / Stearc / Caller's +2

I have legs, but I use the Stearc when I am solo'ing for the extra refresh tic. I can also throw on my serpentes cuffs during the night for another tic if needed.

I don't have all the best stuff yet, like the haste belt, some esper items and I don't have different sets for Idle w/o pet, Idle with pet, pet tp phase, etc. I am sorely gear strapped and having all of the mage jobs, I really just keep smn pretty simple. I use whatever gear I already have + empy +2.

Edited, Aug 16th 2012 7:37am by Elspetta
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#5 Aug 16 2012 at 1:02 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the breakdown Elspetta. So I take it blood boon < refresh on those legs? The Caller's +2 gives 10 blood boon so how much does that translate into savings for MP vs the recovery of MP with Stearc (not a math breakdown or anything, just from your personal 'eyeballing it' experience).
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#6 Aug 16 2012 at 1:18 PM Rating: Excellent
I only wear the stearc when my avatar is just attacking and not even all the time. I only wear them if I get low on MP (not in Aby or VW with unlimited MP) and I am doing blood pacts constantly. I switch to my caller's +2 for actual blood pacts. So I have Idle > - blood pact time > blood pact gear.

As far as how often boon procs, I honestly have no idea. I don't pay that much attention >.>
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#7 Aug 17 2012 at 9:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Blood Boon doesn't save jack ****, it's pretty worthless. The only time it's useful is in regards to the Caller's set bonus activation which augments it with a damage bonus when blood boon procs. However, all tests so far have indicated that adding gear that increases blood boon proc rate does not increase the rate at which the set bonus will proc. So basically, worthless.
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#8 Aug 17 2012 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
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Pergatory wrote:
Blood Boon doesn't save jack sh*t, it's pretty worthless. The only time it's useful is in regards to the Caller's set bonus activation which augments it with a damage bonus when blood boon procs. However, all tests so far have indicated that adding gear that increases blood boon proc rate does not increase the rate at which the set bonus will proc. So basically, worthless.

So with all the people using the Blood Boon earring / etc, are they wasting their time? Are there better items for those slots? Perhaps something that grants other types of bonuses? In the short time reading up on it, everyone seems to think it's the best earring for the slot, and diabalos rope is very popular for blood boon reasons as well.

Would one be better simply using refresh, or straight HP or MP + gear in those slots, or is there something else you should be looking to fill those slots with (I'm assuming haste doesn't benefit summoners except during actual summoning).

From the quick overview here it seems one could get AF3+2, some common -perp gear like the ring and elemental staves and be pretty well off. But what would a person use in those other non -perp slots if not the Blood Boon items? (particularly in regards to the belt and earring, but also the other ring slot)
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#9 Aug 17 2012 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
I use them cause that is what I have and don't have the time to go out and get better items for those slots >.>

I honestly rarely play smn anymore since I got my G~Horn, which is a bummer, but also works out because like I mentioned above, I just don't have the time to pimp it out. I have SCH that I am gearing for NNI and BRD for all my other events.

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#11 Aug 17 2012 at 12:54 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the info everyone, that was very helpful!
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#12 Aug 20 2012 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Other earring options mostly come from ACP7. You can get a Spinel Earring with Pet:Accuracy+3, Ruby Earring with Pet:Attack+5, Diamond Earring with Pet:MAB+2, etc.

Esper Earring from Legion is also a good one, although rather rare (in 20+ kills I've only seen one drop).

I think most people use Gifted Earring because it's much easier to obtain. Good earrings are very hard to get for SMN. Same for Diabolos' Rope. Mujin Obi & Moepapa Stone are both on the expensive side. EDIT: As is Cimmerian Sash.

Edited, Aug 20th 2012 8:21am by Pergatory
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