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Returning into FFXI After TWO YEARS!Follow

#1 Dec 21 2009 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hi everyone,

I'm back !
After 2 years playing WoW i got bored of it,and while i'm waiting for ffxiv to be out...(and maybe to get into the beta :P) i decided to come back to my beautiful SMN.

Only problem is...i completely forgot how to play...well almost ahahah.

Many things has changed :-O

Only thing i'm asking here is...is there any fellow smn companion who would be so kind to post me his macro sets ? i saw now there are plenty of "books" i can use to make a lot of macro...but i need help setting them up :X

#2 Dec 21 2009 at 3:37 PM Rating: Excellent
Well while I am not about to reactivate my account to get my macros, there is a fairly helpful bit of info available on the wiki for setting up some good summoner macros:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Summoner_Macro_Guide

And an older post by me in the forums a while back:

Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
Another cool trick I used when I was playing summoner was to use /macro and set/book commands to move around for gear swaps. Eventually with enough gear you don't have space for it all in one macro so I made mine like this:

Macro 1 (Switch into Bloodpact delay - gear)
Line1: /equip
Line2: /equip
line3: /equip
Line4: /equip
Line5: /macro set 2

Macro 2(Start BP and switch into best gear for that BP)
Line1:Bloodpact
Line2: /wait1
line3: /equip
Line4: /equip
Line5: /macro set 3

Macro 3
Line1: /equip
Line2: /equip
line3: /equip
Line4: /equip
Line5: /macro set 4

Macro 4 (Assuming thats all your gear swaps into gear for BPs now switch back into Perp cost - gear)
Line1: /equip
Line2: /equip
line3: /equip
Line4: /equip
Line5: /macro set 1

If they are placed directly under each other it creates a full circle for that bloodpact which is fairly useful. This trick can be used for Summoning avatars and switching to a macro set specific to it as well.


Combine both for a fairly good macro set. Just make sure to customize it for your needs and your personal play style. I started my macros with a set for job which navigated to a set to choose subjob. So say SMN > SCH would put me at my set for no avatar out on SMN/SCH then on that set I had each avatar a spattering of WHM spells and some Scholar JAs. each avatar macro would move me to a set for that avatar With all the BPs on R1 and all my JAs and Spells on L1 set up like the example i quoted above. Takes a while to set up and get it working how you want but it's totally worth it. I had a lot of fun with both my SMN and RDM macros and a bunch of my RL friends started doing theirs this way after playing my character and seeing how well it works.
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#3 Dec 21 2009 at 5:59 PM Rating: Default
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These days you pretty much require windower to play SMN since you never get any "good at all situations" gear, but need resting, -BP, +skill, -perpetuation etc.
#4 Dec 22 2009 at 12:49 AM Rating: Good
Mellowy wrote:
These days you pretty much require windower to play SMN since you never get any "good at all situations" gear, but need resting, -BP, +skill, -perpetuation etc.


If you can't make non-windower macros for summoner to do exactly what your windower ones do it is only out of sheer laziness. The in game macros are able to do just as much without cheating. Windower macros are practically botting which is why I try to show people that with the above mentioned strategies you can do just as much without resorting to third party programs. Yes it takes time. Yes it takes effort. But why are you playing SMN if you're not willing to give it those things?
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#5 Dec 22 2009 at 1:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thanks a lot for your suggestions :-)
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If you can't make non-windower macros for summoner to do exactly what your windower ones do it is only out of sheer laziness.


Just so much work without windower. I mean with your system for making a difference of magic and physical rages you need to have a combo of Ctrl 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 for physical and Ctrl 5 - 6 - 5 - 5 for magical. Then you get in a hurry and press the wrong macro.

Not to mention the extra work of having a Horn macro, a Body macro and a Conjurers ring macro.

Tack on your melee macros for WS gear and such and you get another set of CTRL 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 combo, which if you were a SMN interested in spirits and avatars would split up into a combo of CTRL 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 for avatars and CTRL 3 - 3 - 4 - 4 for spirits.

It isn't that it can't be done, but you'll be flooded with macro combos.

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But why are you playing SMN if you're not willing to give it those things?


If you ever attempted to make a full scale windower script, you'd know it is even more work (unless you find one already done with everything, which I've so far not seen)
#7 Dec 22 2009 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
Mellowy wrote:
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If you can't make non-windower macros for summoner to do exactly what your windower ones do it is only out of sheer laziness.


Just so much work without windower. I mean with your system for making a difference of magic and physical rages you need to have a combo of Ctrl 5 - 5 - 5 - 5 for physical and Ctrl 5 - 6 - 5 - 5 for magical. Then you get in a hurry and press the wrong macro.


All my macros move in 5-5-5-5 or 6-6-6-6 patterns and are set up completely vertical it is practically impossible to hit the wrong macro especially when playing with a controller. It's a very easy system to use and doesn't involve using third party programs and after you make your first macro of each type it's easy enough to copy paste the physical and magical macros into place for all your others. No cheating involved, and no matter what you think using windower has been clearly defined as such.

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#8 Dec 23 2009 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
No cheating involved, and no matter what you think using windower has been clearly defined as such.
According to the the ToS, so's Fraps.
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#9 Dec 23 2009 at 11:52 AM Rating: Default
Hence one will never see my tater SMN in a video on youtube. I don't support or promote the use of third party apps. While yes Fraps is mostly harmless it would be hipocritical to use it and tell people not to use windower at the same time.
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#10 Dec 23 2009 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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That's quite the zealousness.
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#11 Dec 23 2009 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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Trust me, in one way or another you are a hypocrite. We all are, there isnt a sole on the planet who is not. Stop cuasing yourself and others missery by holding such a tight grip on something so slippery.

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#12 Dec 25 2009 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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Hence one will never see my tater SMN in a video on youtube. I don't support or promote the use of third party apps. While yes Fraps is mostly harmless it would be hipocritical to use it and tell people not to use windower at the same time.


Reading that made me almost want to post this in crayons. I have to ask... Really? Are you that far gone that you ACTUALLY believe that fraps is harmful to the game? Or in anyway affects your gameplay? Fraps is nothing more than a screen capture device. The only thing it does is record your screen. While it is "third party," but so is windows when you think about it...

You are using a program that someone else created to load up ffxi and play it. And by those standards anyone who uses linux and WINE to run ffxi are cheaters as well.

Pull your nose down and smell the sh*t. Do you have pirated movies or music on your computer? Do you save pictures from websites? (Btw yes this is still technically illegal) Do you run windows media player in the background to add your own soundtrack to the game? DO YOU USE VENTRILO? Do you use the steam version of the game to play? (Steam is "3rd party")

I can understand your stance on not using windower... but your statement about fraps told me just how stuck up you are. Do not ever believe you are higher than anyone else on the internet. "I do not use third party programs, but I have cheated someone out of gil/drops/events. And I have lied to get ahead in ffxi... but I don't cheat guys. Honest."
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#13 Dec 26 2009 at 1:33 AM Rating: Default
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Reading that made me almost want to post this in crayons. I have to ask... Really? Are you that far gone that you ACTUALLY believe that fraps is harmful to the game? Or in anyway affects your gameplay? Fraps is nothing more than a screen capture device. The only thing it does is record your screen. While it is "third party," but so is windows when you think about it...

You are using a program that someone else created to load up ffxi and play it. And by those standards anyone who uses linux and WINE to run ffxi are cheaters as well.

Pull your nose down and smell the sh*t. Do you have pirated movies or music on your computer? Do you save pictures from websites? (Btw yes this is still technically illegal) Do you run windows media player in the background to add your own soundtrack to the game? DO YOU USE VENTRILO? Do you use the steam version of the game to play? (Steam is "3rd party")

I can understand your stance on not using windower... but your statement about fraps told me just how stuck up you are. Do not ever believe you are higher than anyone else on the internet.


I even said as much about Fraps being harmless, but that does't change the fact that I will not use it. As for Windows, WINE, Linux and Steam I suggest you read your terms of service better all would be secondary software required to make Play Online viewer work or have been authorized to distribute it in the case of steam. Media Player has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion from my interpretations of the ToS. I do not use ventrillo either.

As for attack on my legal morality: I do have pictures and video on my computer however the pictures typically aren't actually illegally obtained if you save them off a page only if you try to redistribute without permision (varies country to country) same with video and music as of the last supreme court ruling in Canada, although I typically purchase music that doesn't fall under public licenses. As for video, nothing licensed for distribution in English in North America also well within my legal rights in Canada.

lightningcount wrote:
"I do not use third party programs, but I have cheated someone out of gil/drops/events. And I have lied to get ahead in ffxi... but I don't cheat guys. Honest."


Unless you have some proof to show I have cheated anyone out of anything this is just baseless slander. Unless out claiming, attending scheduled events and bidding on drops with points earned via attendance and participation, selling crafted items at market rates for profit, etc counts as cheating or lying.
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jlejeune wrote:
Manosuke the Irrelevant wrote:
No cheating involved, and no matter what you think using windower has been clearly defined as such.
According to the the ToS, so's Fraps.

According to SE, it's not.

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I do have pictures and video on my computer however the pictures typically aren't actually illegally obtained if you save them off a page only if you try to redistribute without permision

I really hope you either made all of these yourself, or have permission to share them then.
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#15 Dec 29 2009 at 2:36 AM Rating: Decent
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
jlejeune wrote:
According to the the ToS, so's Fraps.

According to SE, it's not.

Advocating the use of a application created by a party other than their own when an article crafted by their very hands can be interpreted against such an action. When with the insanity end? How can we trust them with anything ever?

Answer: It won't. We can't.
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