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#1 Nov 22 2009 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
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So I've searched the forums and if there's an ACP post, it must be very far back. My question is, I'm trying to build a mostly nuking SMN. I also may not have much of a chance at getting a Yinyang robe as it's WAY over camped right now and I generally can only play at night, so that limits my NM camping options.

Was looking at the Pet: Macc/Matt for sure, but don't know about the other option. Thought about Pet: Acc/Att, but don't really plan to use SMN for DDing (will usually only bring my SMN out when just magic nukes are needed). Guess that leaves Perp cost and BP delay? Thoughts?

Thanx in advance.
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#2 Nov 22 2009 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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BP Delay setup (for nuking)
Fay [main] (-5)
Summoner's Horn [head] (-3)
Bracers [hands] (-2)
Spats [legs] (-2)
Pigaches (-2) -- Possibly Morana if you choose Shiva's merit BP
TOTAL = 12~14 (cap at 15)

So you can get your timer that low without the BP augment. Bearing that in mind, is it worth the extra -3? Perpetuation cost is mostly used for soloing, though with Favor, possibly PT play as well.

If you're mainly going to BP > Release then go with BP Delay, you may want to swap other pieces out for more MACC or MATTK so more BP delay on your ACP may be worthwhile.

If not, then I think perpetuation is the way to go.
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#3 Nov 23 2009 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally did

-2 perpetuation

and

+7 MAB and Macc for pets.


I love it! I have also tried the pet crit %, and feel it was crap.
#4 Nov 24 2009 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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got - 2 perpetuation and mab/macc + as well.

i think this makes a great combination depending on your play style.

especially when focussing on magic nukes i like to leave my avatars out to let them gain tp which add a nice damage-boost to my next bp. in that respect i'm of course interested in keeping perpetuation cost as low as possible.

#5 Nov 24 2009 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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With the -2 on RR I am able to have a free Garuda with Favor up. Some people think its a wasted slot because Penance Robe is out there, but not everyone can get that piece of gear.

Their are valid arguments for and against each augment, and you really just need to look at your playstyle and pick which fits you the best.

I am more heavily geared towards magic 75 pacts, so the 2nd augment of +7 MAB/MACC was a no brainer for me.
#6 Nov 24 2009 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Thank you everyone. I had planned on the Macc/Matt and BPD-4, but starting to rethink the BPD part. Provided I get a Fay staff with at least BPD-3, between relic and AF+1, I shouldn't have much of a need for the BPD-4 on the ACP body.

Still looking at Macc/Matt for sure, but not sure if I'd benefit more with the Pet: Acc/Racc, Pet: Att/Ratt or Perp. Cost -2? Not sure where else I've have a chance at getting either stat (Perp, Acc/Racc or Att/Ratt) on a body piece.

Edited, Nov 24th 2009 11:48am by MinscandBoo

Edited, Nov 24th 2009 11:49am by MinscandBoo
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CoP: Done ~~ AMK: Done
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#7 Nov 24 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Default
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DO NOT do BP timer down. There are lots of resources out there to lower your BP timer currently, you should have no trouble reaching the cap of -15. I suggest finding a Dynamis shell for some relic armor if you haven't already.

That being said, also do not do Pet:DA/Crit. I picked Pet:Atk/DA/Crit for my augments and regret the DA/Crit part. It's really turned out rather bad, so I'm probably going to re-do for MAB/MAcc/Atk. I feel like I've got enough accuracy through summoning skill and other pieces, so that's why I chose attack over accuracy. MAB/MAcc I'm choosing because I've been doing a lot of ZNM lately and magic pacts work well on those, and there aren't many slots you can boost magic damage on.

I also chose not to do perp-2, because I've already got Yinyang and the RR is sooooo ugly! I'd rather stand in Yinyang with Refresh than RR with Perp-2 lol...

I'd suggest these as your primary augments, pick 2:
Pet: Atk +15
Pet: Acc +15
Pet: MAB+7 / MAcc+7
Pet: Perpetuation -2
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#8 Dec 01 2009 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, think I'm now leaning towards...

Pet: Atk +15
Pet: MAB+7 / MAcc+7

Basically already have Perp cost -1 between Austere and/or Vermy Cloak and will have -3 (depending on day) when I get me the relic body. While I don't plan to use a lot of physical attacks on SMN, not sure where else I'd get Pet: Attack on any other piece besides relic feet (which I got last night). Still only like 70% sure this is augments I'll get as I still see the value in the perp cost -2.
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Bastok: 10 ~~ Assault/Nyzul: Captain/100
ZM: Done ~~ ACP: Done
CoP: Done ~~ AMK: Done
ToAU: Done ~~ ASA: Done
WotG: 27 ~~ Campaign: Medal of Altana $$$$

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#9 Dec 01 2009 at 5:42 PM Rating: Decent
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MinscandBoo wrote:
Ok, think I'm now leaning towards...

Pet: Atk +15
Pet: MAB+7 / MAcc+7

Basically already have Perp cost -1 between Austere and/or Vermy Cloak and will have -3 (depending on day) when I get me the relic body. While I don't plan to use a lot of physical attacks on SMN, not sure where else I'd get Pet: Attack on any other piece besides relic feet (which I got last night). Still only like 70% sure this is augments I'll get as I still see the value in the perp cost -2.


Just remember, if you use Vermy Cloak, that takes Karura Hachigame out of the picture for Garuda. If you have the money, I would purchase both a Vermy and an Austere, and use the Vermy for idling/Carbuncle, and use Austere for the other avatars.
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#10 Dec 02 2009 at 1:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I wouldn't dismiss perp-2 out of hand, unless you got pretty much all other -perp gear or Penance Robe it is the only way of getting a free Fenrir/Garuda with Favor and directly increases MP regained with Diabolos' Favor in a high -perp situation. Also since you are admittedly going for a mostly nuking smn build pet atk will not do much for you, and even with just BP release there will be mp savings from -perp, although they won't be huge. Personally i consider the variance of physical bloodpacts too big to care much about pet atk, but that's just me.
As you can probably tell i did -perp + Macc/Matk and i have been pretty happy with it so far. Just depends on your playstyle i guess, but if you ever plan on using favor in party situations i'd definitely go for the -perp.

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#11 Dec 10 2009 at 8:36 PM Rating: Decent
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+7 MACC +7 MAB needs to be in there. The 2nd stat is up to you.

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