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Who doesn't love Fenrir:Enhances accuracy?

I'll be performing tests on both this and Morana's Pigaches to quantify the actual bonuses they provide over the next week (or so).

Not using Shiva on this fight is really asking for trouble. Shiva resists everything, including the paralysis, and can get in 2 Heavenly Strikes or Rushes per summon. It's a lot safer. I wiped once because Ifrit decided not to resist a Blizzaga III and I wasn't far enough away to resummon yet. My Heavenly is only level 1, but I do have Redingote and 5 Matk merits.

Grats on your equipment drops, hope to see the data from them soon.

I personally go SMN/SCH, have an MP pool of around 1400, as long as you use AF to knock down the perp at the start of the fight the longest fight I've had so far brought me down to 250 MP (Only used 1 charge of Sublimation for ~180 during the fight, so technically wouldn't have needed it).

Best of luck to everyone, since it seems we need it for these things.

It probably stems back to the coding for the Prime Avatars, and the nature of matching elemental damage healing the Prime instead of harming it. Except in the case of pet Avatars, matching elemental damage just deals minimal damage.

i went 1/20 on fenrir's crown on seraph. Haven't done the shiva feet yet.

Minor note on this guy: He hacks his spells. I've seen him do a couple different things:
1. Switch spell target. I resummoned, Ifrit went and attacked Lizardtrap, Lizardtrap attacked Ifrit back (miss). Then started casting Blizzaga III. I figure sweet, it's on Ifrit for sure, so I run past the NM, triggering Flaming Crush as I go. As I get to about 25'... Ifrit dies. At this point I'm pissed, thinking he didn't resist it... until I realize it didn't even hit him. He died because I died lol... I don't know exactly what happened, but never assume this guy has your avatar targeted because he may not even when everything you see tells you it is.
2. Range. He can cast farther than 30'. I've never ever seen this on any other mob before. I was at 30.7 and he landed Blizz IV on me, killing me (worthless blink). Don't stop at 30, keep going to at least 32+

Aside from that I been using the Ifrit / Flaming Crush method to kill. Favor up for MP conservation, use siphon once during the fight, and usually finish with pretty low MP. I tried using Fenrir to stretch my MP out but he died way too fast. He died before my BP was even ready again. Doesn't hurt to use a Coffee Muffin for this guy just to be on the safe side. Kiting with Ifrit is super easy, he lasts forever. I actually found it faster to just release him after 30-40 seconds in order to resummon and do another BP. I'm not a fan of trying to run in and do a 2nd BP on a half-dead avatar.

I've been at 30.5" many times and never seen this happen. Perhaps you were lagging?

finaly Fen Crown 1/47

Ifrit is a monster against this. Fighting Lizardtrap has also given me a new appreciation for Flaming Crush. A 3 hitter that seems to pack some extra fire elmenetal damage.

0/17 so far.

Edited, Dec 7th 2009 6:32pm by Dekusutaa

What is everyones enmity gear for these fights?

I still am too afraid of BPing near NMs because I always seem to pull the NM away from them and get whacked. Sure on stuff like the chigoe I could BP during flares only just to make sure I won't get pummeled while the avatar readies a BP.

I did however solo it down to like 12% with only spirits. Fun fun. Trees suck though, since I ran too close after loosing focus and got a link. I de-aggroed the link by running a lot, but also de-aggroed the NM and while trying to re-get it before it regened, got nuked.

Also still not sure if I dare go SMN/NIN. It seems great for most nukes and will make it easier to BP on for example flares. But if they catch up and hit me, I can't get that HP back at all the whole fight. (Well I guess there are potions, but they tend to ruin spell casting)

Sounds like flytrap is much easier. The chigoe attacks with chigoe speed and do 120 damage per punch. It usually eats through my avatars in some 15 seconds, which means you want to use those seconds to put a distance.

Haven't used correct element though, so could possibly last longer if it casts a spell that can be absorbed.



It isn't about "need", it is because they are frankly better for me. Same perpetuation (merits), almost instant spell casting (aggro and +skill), constant access to siphon to refill MP.

For nothing but perpetuation I can deal 600-800 damage with them, assuming I'm not unlucky and just get crap spells. I don't remember if using fire on the chigoe is smart though... it would resist his nukes, but he might resist the spirit's too.

not a useful post but I'll say it anyway:

got drop after killing it about 25 times ^^ WOOSH!
wasn't expecting anything but a wind cristal, but the crown finnaly dropped.

killed it as smn/thf full buffs before fight (lightspirit prot/shell and stoneskin/blink).
Did some sneak attack/mug/steal too when it was below 10% with one Rush ready to finish it, to make sure TH was actually on it. Not sure if it helped, but then again a 5% droprate is really annoying.

For sarcopyslla I just killed it on rdm/nin because it was easier for me. Im missing the sneak scroll on /nin lol and I felt it was a waste to keep using oils/powders when I could easily do it on rdm.

not that that helps those who dont have rdm.

Ive not tried it on smn so this is only what Id do in theory as I understand the mechanics of how the nm works and I understand it always sounds easier on paper then it actually is. 8(

I think sarcopsylla is going to be one you're going to have to BP to death whether you risk ripping hate off your avatar or not. Sarcopsylla casts something so frequently Id be kiting it like a rdm anyway minus the DoTs, if you keep running you're not going to get hit and if you get hate cause you're BP:raging it to death then your avatar wont get one shotted neither. This is when Id wish I had those shantotto fast pants me thinks though movement speed is really not necessary..just keep running. When it starts casting flare or maybe fire3 is when Id be running in to BP:rage just make sure you have utsusemi up, flare one shotted me on rdm with dalmy, stoneskin, phalanx and all that other good stuff, smn would be dead x10. Atleast though with your avatar out you shouldnt have that much issues losing claim as I did on rdm.

For sarcopsylla you need /nin, stoneskin and blink isnt going to save you..ustusemi blocks everything but firaga3 which you should always be out of range of cause you shouldnt stop kiting.

I always dragged it over to and kiting around one of the stone fences near where you warp in if you were going to campaign. I wouldnt go to the campaign fort only because of obvious reasons, people and lag.

BP:rages didnt seem to interupt lizardtraps casting so I doubt it'd interupt sarcopsylla either.

If you lose claim on sarc. cause of flare and your avatar doesnt reclaim it, reput up utsusemi cause you gotta go step on it to reaggro it. But run away the instant you reclaim it.

Anyways yeah..if I were to do it on smn, Id play it like a rdm. The hardest part is probably the pull to the campaign fort cause of trees and one set of chigoes on the way but if you hug the wall you shouldnt have any problems.

Sic avatar on NM, run away to fort area, recast avatar when needed, when you get to safe kiting area, wait til it casts something like flare or fire3 (flare has the longer cast time) and BP:rage, run the frick away a good 35'+ (the nm takes stupidly long paths to get to you around some of those fences), kite the dude til it casts flare again (if your avatar is dead/near dead Id use this time to recast and not BP that round), BP:rage, run the frick away again. If you dont have an avatar out then thats fine, just keep running til it casts flare or something and recast. Always keep utsusemi up.

and always keep a visual on the NM cause if you lose claim its hard to see where it went. And dont cast anything when its casting burn 8|

I dont keep track of avatar or my own emnity, theres just no balance when you're BPing.

Sarc. and LT are similar but I thought LT was a bit harder because LT casts alot of -gas which utsusemi doesnt help with but its spells will still one shot you through stoneskin. Most of Sarcs spells are absorbed by utsu and flare takes forever to cast. LT I had to resort to really long battles of essentially shiva/ifrit kiting and no BPs because ripping hate off them killed me every single time. Sarc is probably easier to BP to death in theory. It was easy to dot/nuke to death on rdm atleast lol.

Edited, Dec 19th 2009 11:38pm by Glddaisy

Cheap? Im just going to assume you were annoyed by somebody and are unable to take it out on them so decided to use that tone on me.

But Im glad you are able to forsee into my future anyway and tell me that on my only three 75 jobs of rdm,whm and smn (smn Im only ever on when Im soloing for fun and I have no immediate plans to lvl another job to 75) that Ill need to buy sneak-jutsu eventually.

Why I dont have the scroll is none of your business nor does it add anything helpful to the post.

Imagine what we could solo if we had such control over our spirits that we could make them cast what we want them to.

If I were to try and DoT kite on smn Id probably do something potentially dumb and go /blm. It'd take an eternity and you dont get much protection other than titans stoneskin but they cast super fast and you do have an avatar to go beat up on it too when it stops running. My buffers only at 42k, Im dumb enough to this some day lol I just wish I had movement speed.

If I didnt have rdm who could DoT kite with probably greater survivability, Id probably merit my eles so I could do that, Im still missing evokers feet+1 or else Id srsly consider it all the more. My smn does so very little I barely put any merits into it as is and quite honestly I dont think anybody notices much of a difference in the damage done by my linkshells most pimped out and fully merited smn and any other average smn, sometimes the BPs are so random like that. I dont think they'd notice if I decided to merit my eles instead.

ofcourse after Id pimp out my elementals watch SE add a huge smn update that makes me wish I went 5/5mab and acc instead.


I love how you can use ele siphon when you're running. It was so useful when Id have an uhoh moment during lizardtrap, it was just kind of counterproductive when they cost so much to keep out.

Well, with some help from his guide and some posts on here, I managed to bring this guy down. Had to zone it about six times before I got it figured out but luckily nobody was around to see my failure.

Shiva doing just melee while I re-summon was working well but I don't have the -perp or MP pool for that. What ended up working for me was using Shiva and straight double slappin him. Ice spirit seemed to hold up even better than Shiva did when I had to siphon. I did not give it much time to play however since at that point I was running on astral flow. I got shiva back in there cause all he needed at that point were a couple of slaps. Hope that helps someone else.

Oh ya 0/1. So it begins...

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1/5 I cannot freakin belive it...normally NMs hate to drop stuff for me.

Edited, Dec 31st 2009 3:53am by Sornstarguh

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On second thought, I just looked at the clock it was a full moon. Figured I'd mention that since Fenrir is down with the moon phase ect and seeing some of the other drop rate stories. I know full moon helps anyway but maybe it helps even more with this. I fully expected to have to kill it 20+ times.

Edited, Dec 31st 2009 4:02am by Sornstarguh