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#1 Nov 10 2009 at 1:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Study on the effects on SMN skill
I posted this elsewhere, but figured it deserves a centralized top post position where I can update/add to it as others discover more information.


The Test *using Titan*

My base defense is 244 with Nashira Gages (18 def) @ 311 smn skill

With favour on, my def maxes out at +57 or 301 Def (301-244 = 57)

Switching out gages for SMN. Brcr +1 (16 def) drops my def 2 points to 299 def. @ 323 smn skill however in the next tick, my Def jumps up 5 points to 304

So 304 -242* = 62 def cap.

* 242 is base defense with Summoner's Brcr +1

I'm not sure if the results improve further to say 330 skill, but it's definitely tier based with a ceiling around 318 skill that gives you a bonus.

* removing SMN. Earring to get my skill down to 320 flat from 323 resulted in no change in def bonus at +62.
* removing Astute cape to get my skill down to 318 from 323 result in no change in def bonus at +62.
* removing Astute cape & SMN. Earring to get skill down to 315 from 323 results in a change in def bonus to +57
* removing SMN. Torque to get skill down to 316 from 323 results in a change in def bonus to +57
* Based on Enilanerda's study on BG, noting that the 4tick refresh from diabolos kicks in at 317 skill, and having confirmed there is no bonus at 316, 317 appears to be the magic number.
* As the test is conducted alone with my 75 SMN it is difficult to find performance tiers below the 317 mark. I can confirm that at 269 skill *no SMN skill gear* the effect of the avatar favor is 'standard' as in Diabolos' max refresh bonus remains at +3


Titan's Favour
*+25 def base when the avatar is initially summoned
* caps at +57 def with skill 316 and below
* caps +62 def with skill 317 and above

Carbuncle's Favour
* 12 hp/tick regen at full strength with 311 summoning skill (does not include /WHM auto refresh)
* 15 hp/tick regen at full strength with 318 summoning skill (does not include /WHM auto refresh)

Diabolos' Favour
* +3 mp/tick refresh with skill 316 and below
* +4 mp/tick refresh with skill 317 and above

Shiva's Favour (from Suiram)
*214 skill caps at MAB+4
*285 skill caps at MAB+7
*322 skill caps at MAB+10

Ifrit's Favour
* 7% Double Attack at 316 skill and below (see my test)
* 11.6% Double Attack at 317 skill and above




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Interesting Aside: Having maxed out Titan's favor, and desummoning him to test other avatars for an extended period (+1hr) resummoning him again immediately gains the user +25 defense bonus of its +57(of 62) cap. This effect is immediate. Duration since he was last summoned appears to have no effect on this 'base' defense bonus upon resummon.


I thought this was a residual effect but having logged out and logged back in and reapplied avatar's favor from scratch, I still got the 25 defense bonus immediately. Therefore, it appears that Titan's favor provides a base def bonus of 25.


Edited, Nov 11th 2009 10:26pm by Dekusutaa

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#2 Nov 10 2009 at 1:50 AM Rating: Good
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Interesting test.

Results on the strength of Shiva's favor are underwhelming. With the effects of carby's regen and diabolos's refresh (both hitting equal or greater values to a fully enhanced lucky corsair's roll once past 317 summoning skill), you'd expect the MAB bonus on Shiva to be at least 14-15. Nothing to compare Titan's favor though since Cor has nothing like that.
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#3 Nov 10 2009 at 2:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Maxed Titan's is about equal to Minne IV, which is...

Well, it's defense. It's useful for Cannonball BLUs and not a whole lot else. :-)
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#4 Nov 10 2009 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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So we need to maintain the SMN skill while the favor and avatar is out. I really don't mind that, and it's interesting since this gives more use to smn skill.

Oh I'll use Titans favor on more than just a BLU using CB just like in brd..they just don't know it yet.
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#5 Nov 10 2009 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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So in layman's terms, more Summoning magic skill = better favors?

Very interesting...now I really need to rejoin a dyna shell and get those relic hands and some other +skill gear. My skill has been sitting at 288 (291 if I'm wearing af horn) for who knows how long. Wonder if I should consider meriting summoning magic skill a bit as well...

Edited, Nov 10th 2009 10:28am by Arcari
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#6 Nov 10 2009 at 11:20 AM Rating: Default
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tmlane wrote:
Interesting test.

Results on the strength of Shiva's favor are underwhelming. With the effects of carby's regen and diabolos's refresh (both hitting equal or greater values to a fully enhanced lucky corsair's roll once past 317 summoning skill), you'd expect the MAB bonus on Shiva to be at least 14-15. Nothing to compare Titan's favor though since Cor has nothing like that.


Actually it is correct. BLM roll IS that crappy without BLM bonus. But you rarely see anyone use the roll without a BLM in party.

In fact Diabolos MAB bonus at midnight is just as good as a good COR without BLM in the party for MAB. But again, rare to use MAB roll without a single BLM.

But it sounds good to know that it is possible to hand out 4 MP per tick refresh with the correct armors.
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#7 Nov 10 2009 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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Has anyone with 330+ skill tested it yet? I can't remember how much I have, I'll check when maintenance is over.
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#8 Nov 10 2009 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Still at 4 mp refresh / 15 hp regen / 62 def with 344 smn skill (I don't have Marduk Head but recently obtained the Summoning Belt)

Edited, Nov 10th 2009 4:11pm by papesse
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#9 Nov 10 2009 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, 5 MP per tick refresh would be asking way too much. That is a 11 roll with SMN in party. Then again it would almost have made us best at something.
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#10 Nov 10 2009 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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It's a bit sad that we have access to a lot of SMN skill gear but there's concentrated heavily on a few slots (head) (legs) and several other slots (ring) (weapon) (earring) are limited to 1 piece of Rare or R/E gear, while other slots (waist/ammo/grip) don't have any +skill pieces at all.


I'm 6 skill away from 317 w/out having to switch in my SMN. Brcr +1 in place of Nashira gages, so there's a certain calculation now to trade off extra perp over a stronger buff.

As my magic merits are maxed out, I'd have to roll back elemental magic to gain the 6 skill I need. Which is a pain. I really hope SE increases the cap on total merits we can spend in that category...

In a way, these results forces a rethink on how we use our wards as well.

We've grown accustomed to using Rage and Ward interchangeably, but Favor, allows for a purely support summoner or a summoner play style that is primarily support, that then a mixed jobber, and furthermore allows the kind of stamina and staying power in that role that we currently don't have.

Carby's strong aoe regen, its 'free' status (when they fix mitts) plus its ward buffs makes it a particularly potent pet to have out in group situations. Ditto for diabolos.


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#11 Nov 10 2009 at 8:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Bet alot more people want the astute cape now :P
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#12 Nov 11 2009 at 1:07 PM Rating: Good
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so as a non-endgame summoner...

269 Base skill
16 Merit Summoning magic skill
10 Evoker's Ring
7 Summoning Torque
5 Evoker's Horn
3 Summoning Earring
3 Austere Slops
3 Austere Sabots
2 Austere Cuffs

total 318 skill

wow SE, i had no idea how thoughtful you are...

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#13 Nov 11 2009 at 1:47 PM Rating: Good
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Anyone tested the effect of summoning skill on Shiva or Ifrit's favor?
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#14 Nov 11 2009 at 5:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Sasaraixx wrote:
Anyone tested the effect of summoning skill on Shiva or Ifrit's favor?

Enilanerda, Suiram and Edari.
BG under the Avatar Favor Thread, Page 2.
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#15 Nov 11 2009 at 11:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Ifrit's Favor testing
(below 317 skill) on SMN/THF and no Double Attack (DA) trait.

Swings
168
Double Attacks
12

7% DA


I'm expecting the DA to be 10% at 317skill and above. Will test this when I get time.

(@317 skill)
Swings
155
Double Attacks
18

11.6%




Edited, Nov 11th 2009 11:13pm by Dekusutaa
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