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#127 Nov 05 2004 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmm... I'm assuming you're buffed up all the way-- Prot/Shell/Barstonra, fighting on Windsday. Maybe have a bunch of +MND gear floating around so you can switch to it to reduce the Bind duration?

I didn't have any problems with Titan, but then again, I tried very hard not to get hate from him. I dragged carby out first and let him get all the hate. You might try waiting a round or two to use your Astral Flow/Searing Light, just in case.

Or better yet, try some of the other avatar battles first, just to avoid frustration. Once you get one of them down, you might feel a bit better about the whole thing.
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#128 Nov 05 2004 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I probably should've mentioned that I'm using all the buffs I can and doing it on Windsday.

I've fought both Shiva and Ifrit using this methond and I had no problem at all. Got them both on the first try. I've also tried Ramuh, but had problems casting paralyna on myself. Not enough fame for Leviathan or Garuda yet.

I don't know what's going on. I wish I knew why he's doing this to me. I try to do everything I can to keep the hate off me. I'm going to try to fight him again in about 15 minutes. -_-

Does anyone know if there's any specific action that will trigger him to do this to me?
Server - Hades
#129 Nov 05 2004 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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A little update from me, yesterday I finally got all the solo battles finished, didnt die once whoot, go me lol. Lunar, I wish I had some advice from you, but I never had a problem with bind during Titan so I guess I am lucky, or he really just hates you. Maybe thiefcat or another smn who has had the same experience can offer help. Good luck!
#130 Nov 05 2004 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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I think he hates me, lol. I just went in for him again and the same thing happened.

This time I was going to wait and use Astral Flow until after the bind had worn off. I was thinking that maybe I could pull it off like you have to do with Shockstrike and Ramuh. Well, by the time I was unbound Carby was dead and I was trying to recast while being smacked around. Got interrupted a few times and then finally pulled it off. I waited until Carby had pretty good hate and then 2hrd-SL and ran down to the crystal. Then I try to continue like a normal battle but I noticed my yag drink had worn off. I didn't have any more on me. ;_; I don't think having one would've helped anyway. So I used an Ether and Hi-Ether. Summoned Carby and SL'ed again. Ran to the nest. I only had one ether left so I used it. Carby dies, I resummon and Titan comes again. Astral Flow is gone so my only choice is to beat him with my stick. So Carby and I just melee. For a minute there I thought I might win. I think if I would've had a couple more potions then it would've happened, but I only had 2 on me and I had already used them.

It was messy. I'm sick of doing this. I'm wasting so much freaking money. I hate Titan.
Server - Hades
#131 Nov 16 2004 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Nice guide. I haven't done Ramuh yet, I don't have enough fame, but i'm hoping to do him sometime soon, although that might not end up happening until my WHM hits 51 (i'm taking a break and levelling other things then.)

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#132 Nov 16 2004 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Does anyone know what they say for lvl 2 fame in Norg? And does trading the 4 yag necklaces to the cat burglar raise Tenshyodo and Windy fame?
I have traded so many yag Necklaces that its making me ill...
And the guy in Norg said he knows my name now but I still cant get the Leviathen Quest. So maybe I just reached fame lvl 1 there.
Leviathen is the last avatar I have to get besides Fenrir.But I need the fame and you guys seem to know alot about fame.
And the guide R0Xor0s me Sox0rs :D
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#133 Nov 16 2004 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Since I haven't got to SMN20 yet, I'm very curious if subbing THF for mini-avatar fights will help more. You don't need the extra MP and I don't think the extra MND matters that much. What seems to matter most is to be able to summon Carbuncle. Wouldn't subbing THF give you higher evasion and hence better chance for the avatar to miss so translates to better chance of summoning Carbuncle when under fire? They might even miss with their 2-Hr? Having buffs might be nice but wouldn't avoid getting hit in the first place be even better? Of course, with some avatar like Ramuh, WHM sub would be better because of Paralyna. But THF10 will probably not make enough difference with evasion and HP/defense. Just curious.

Akirel wrote:
I have traded so many yag Necklaces that its making me ill...
And the guy in Norg said he knows my name now but I still cant get the Leviathen Quest.

Are you doing the cabbage/moss/corn runs to Selbina as well? This quest reduces your Norg fame.
Deep down...I will always be a WHM.
#134 Nov 16 2004 at 5:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I have never done any runs for Selbina :( Ima trade in like 80 more necklaces and see wat that does. If that doesnt do it I'm done with it for awhile its driven my crazy.
lvl 50 RDM,25BLM,24WHM,20SMN
#135 Nov 17 2004 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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You're right about the lvl 2 fame. I did the selbina quest to raise my fame in multiple places. My fame is 2 in san d'oria. I fought against [and lost to] Shiva. So, you can in fact fight the avatars at fame lvl 2. I dont know what he was talking about "this has been well established."
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#136 Nov 19 2004 at 12:50 AM Rating: Decent
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i keep losing to ifrit >< i brought 5 Hi-potions and Ethers 2 yag drinks and a boiled crab (summon skill = 40). i bought shield earing and rings that give me +fire elemental resistence. i wait on my buffs and usually i get protect and shell 3 or 4, plus barfira if im lucky. everything works great until i get to the second carby summon. i'll summon, carby will intercept near the crystal while i SL and run. but i only get half way there before carby dies! i emediatly stop and summon followed by and ether, but either...

a) ifrit will reach me first and inturupt my casting (even with a hermit wand and aquaveil). when this happens i dont move and try to recast carby while keeping my hp up with my remaining hi-potions (which hasnt worked yet...)


b) ifrit will 2Hr me or use Fire II on carbuncle, killing him instantly. when this happens i do the exact same thing as in (a) i stay calm, stand there and try to cast.

does anyone have any pointers?
#137 Nov 19 2004 at 1:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Wish I knew where to request a sticky at.... And Thiefcat come back!!!! (pets the kitty) lol
Gone, sorry to those who think I did something on purpose like that. Those who would choose to spread rumors rather than ask first are worse people than I've ever known.
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#138 Nov 19 2004 at 4:48 PM Rating: Decent
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mind if i add a few things?
I scanned and didnt see most of these ideas. but I mighta over looked em. Here is how I did it.
Physical Earing X2: Convert 25 MP to HP.
Wild Cudgel: +20 HP -20 MP
Priests Robe: 14 Def.
Bonze's Circlet: 7 Def and a few MP
Light Solea: Evasion Bonus
Friars Rope: 2 Def +5 MP
Scentless Armlets: Evasion bonus
Black Silk Neckerchief: 2 Def.
Mist Silk Cape: 3 Def
And a subbed MNK. Wich made a huge difference!
4 Hi-Potions
3 Hi-Ethers (cheaper then Ethers)
1 Boiled Crab
3 Yagudo Drinks.
Protect 3 Shell 2

I was lvl 30 when i started these battles because i leveled SMN for sub with static so i didnt stress Avatars yet. Now i have em and am happy, and being level 30, i am able to use Aerial Armor before i go in, wich really helps too. I wish you all the best of luck on this. Have fun and enjoy Summoner!!!

Edited, Fri Nov 19 16:55:37 2004 by Zakster
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#139 Nov 19 2004 at 6:00 PM Rating: Decent
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well it sounds like a great plan....but no where does it mention the 2hr i get every time i fight him. It always happens after my second SL. kills carby and takes my hp into the red...after that...its over.the 3 SL method worked great for titan shiva and ifrit...but i cant make it work for rumah or garuda. dont know what im doing wrong....guess ill just try and try again. gotta win sometime...just getting sick of spending soo much gil on all the items.otherwise....great walkthrough.
#140 Nov 23 2004 at 3:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Just a bump to the one of the best guides out there, and the way that has helped me to get my avatars (Finally got the last one tonight! Thanks Theifcat!)


And I would like to reiterate the quest to have this stickied. It is a moral imperative.

Edited, Mon Nov 29 05:47:01 2004 by Starwrangler
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#141 Nov 28 2004 at 4:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Just a helpful hint to some people trying to get the quests that can't. I found out you do have to have summoner equip to get the battle. I ran to Norg with my lvl 50+ RDM, and forgot to change. Wouldn't give me the quest, so I checked fame. It was at the lvl 2 rating, so I thought I needed more. Went back to windy, did more necklaces. Went back to Norg, same thing, and fame was still the same. Then I thought, "wait... maybe you have to have summoner equip.". Turns out, that was the case. Hope this helps.

I highly recommend bringing a Panama Au Lait. If you do the battles like this guide says, they should all only take 3-4 minutes to complete. Panama Au Lait outlasted everyone of my battles. I'm pretty sure they last 5 minutes. After I started using it, I only used 1 hi-potion out of 4 battles. Definitely worth trying. The only items you should need to use if done correctly are 1 Yagudo Drink, 1 Panama Au Lait, 1 Hi-potion, 2 Ethers, and 1 Boiled Crab meat. Of course its better to go in with more for those "Just in case" scenarios.

Also, I don't know about other servers, but there was a rumor floating around on mine when I was doing battles that S.E. no longer allowed you to get high lvl Protect/Shell on battles. This is completely false, I had Protect III and Shell III for my last 3 battles.

One last thing I noted... Lightsday is a great day to fight any avatar. You are guarranteed a 200+ damage SL on all 3. I lost a battle to Ramuh on his weakday cause Searing Light only hit for 50 damage.

Thanks again Thiefcat. Love my Avatars! XD

Edited, Sun Nov 28 04:23:39 2004 by Monstrus

#142 Dec 01 2004 at 10:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Thiefcat-

Lost to Leviathan twice in a row after going 5/6 on other avatar battles- I got titan 1/2, and all the others on the first try. This time, Leviathan cast his 2 hr and prevented my third SL from going off. How do you suggest I go about fighting Leviathan any differently than the other battles? I've tried both the standard technique and the Ramuh technique with waiting on SL til second time carby attacks. Thanks!

#143 Dec 02 2004 at 4:30 AM Rating: Decent
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to theifcat,

thanks for this guide, it helped out alot even though all that happened a loong time ago. anyway, im just wondering if you will or if you have made a guide for 60+ avatar battles including fenrir?
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#144 Dec 05 2004 at 1:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Ramuh 4:08...7 seconds away from record of 4:01 on my server. all of that thanks to this great guide! thanks!
#145 Dec 06 2004 at 2:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok I just fought Shiva..I would have won but sadly I had my Macros spelled wrong. A usefull hint is CHECK ALL YOUR MACRO'S for misspelled words and all that stuff.
What happened was I spelled HI-Potion --> High Potion and misspelled Yagudo.
I was doing very well in the battle until I needed to use my Hi-potion and the macro didnt work. All that I needed was to cast Banish, then Shiva would have been mine on the first try.
I am very grateful for this Forum and I followed it step by step. Thank You so much for all of this Usefull information.

A helpful hint to everyone planning on useing macros for these battles would be to triple check your macro's and make sure that everything is spelled correctly and in it's proper place.
Goodluck I hope that I save someone else the trouble of dieing from a misspelled word in their macro.
Thanks again


Edited, Mon Dec 6 03:25:18 2004 by thedavil

Edited, Mon Dec 6 03:40:30 2004 by thedavil
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#146 Dec 07 2004 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Your guide worked great although I died my first time on Ramuh (That was my fault) I beat Shiva my first time though

4x Hi-Potion
4x Ether
1x Boiled Crab
1x Yagudo Drink

Other than Armor Defense:
Protect 1

Main Weapon:
- Hermit's Wand
Secondary Weapon:
- None
- None
- None
- None
- Bloodbead Amulet
Earring 1:
- Physical Earring
Earring 2:
- Physical Earring
- Black Tunic
- Scentless Armlet's
Ring 1:
- Stamina Ring
Ring 2:
- Stamina Ring
- Cotton Cape
- Heko Obi +1
- Black Slacks
- Light Soleas

Day Fought On:
- Watersday

I had no problem at all using your method! Hope I can do just aswell against the other Primes while using your method! :)

Edited, Tue Dec 7 05:02:53 2004 by mattch
#147 Dec 13 2004 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for this guide, and others posted. I'm Galkan (I have taken alot of crap from ignorant ppl, so save it) with astral rings and other +mp gear. I tried Shiva at lvl 18 (yes, a deathwish, or as I like to call it, reconnaisance) and I did not have Summoner Magic capped (it was at 54). I went into the fight and had on me a boiled crab, 3 ethers, 3 hi-potions, 4 potions and 4 yagudo drinks. I did the usual strategy, and was crapping my pants with the real small damage carby gave out. I knew he wasn't going to be tough, so contrary to other guides, I kept MP gear on and hermit's wand. Let me tell you, I just said ***** it, hit astral flow and used the 3 Searing Light Strategy. I beat her with that strategy, on Firesday. I wasn't smooth like some ppl in the videos and had to take some hits and use three hi-potions, but Im glad now that I tried and cant wait to get all avatars ('cept fenrir) to bring to the dunes for lvls 18-20. Try em out before hitting 20, and you'll impress your LS!
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#148 Dec 14 2004 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Well, I've lost to Ramuh, Ifrit and Garuda now, but man has it been close. Haven't tried banish yet, but I'm going to now, before the update. This needs a STICKY, its a great guide. My first SL on Garuda hit for 51 ><. With Ifrit the SL wouldn't go off before carby died. Ugh, I know odds are I will lose but I'm just keeping at it until i get em. Thanks for this thread Thief.
#149 Dec 16 2004 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the guide, Thiefcat, I've started collecting my avatars with more success now :)

If I can just stress, do not move when activating Searing Light, wait until carby is in the air after activating it and then run because I didn't realise that moving around would cancel Searing Light. (doh).

Also, due to this guide, I managed to set a new record time on Hades for Ramuh (a paltry 6 mins 54 seconds lol). So if you're on Hades, and see that time in the Trial Size Trial by Lighting in Mhaura, remember this thread and gives thanks to Thiefcat :)
#150 Dec 16 2004 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Not really sure what to say here, so I'm going to just blatantly parrot everyone else and say "Thanks for the guide" ^^ Currently, I've only tried one avatar fight (Leviathan) so far, and got my **** handed to me; Leviathan did his 2hr, I didn't run far enough away and my HP went into the orange, I fxxked up and spammed my Hi-Potion macro instead of trying to recast Carby like I SHOULD have, and got slapped down :/ Currently waiting for Waterday so I can take a shot at Ifrit, but I think this guide will be a big help ^^

Anyway, the {tool}{Summoner} is shutting up now
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#151 Dec 28 2004 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Thiefcat i wanna thanks you for your guide ...

Today Dec 28 im posting this scores

Shiva 1/1 Titan 1/2 Garuda 1/2 Leviathan 1/1 Ifrit 1/1
(implanted new record on Ifrit in server Ramuh 4:07)

Thanks to your guide i made this possible and thanks to everyone comments and help. Im going against Ramuh in 2 hours hope can beat it....
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