Thiefcat's Guide to Lvl 20 Avatar Fights.Follow

Thiefcat's Guide to Level 20 Avatar Fights.

Update: August 17th 2004
I beat Ramuh Last night and my strategy seemed to work perfectly. So if your having trouble with Ramuh check it out below.

WEll I fought all the avatars this weekend and although I had a few Hiccups alont the way, I came away with more success then failure and a few hints/tips/tricks.

Please note I am no expert but I really feel like I can go in with confidence now and defeat these guys. Some of the information below is my personal opinion and you may disagree with it. Its your right to do so but hopefully something in here will help someone.

Hints and Tips

1) Bring the following at a minimum
---4 Hi-Potions
---4 Ethers
---1 Boiled crab or Boiled Crayfish
---1 Yagudo Drink

Notes:
You may not use all the above but my theory is its better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it. Besides what ever you don't use can go towards your next avatar or resell it back at the AH.

2) Defense/Hp are king! Some usefull items are
---Physical Earrings (Convert 25Mp to 25Hp)
(Thanks to Treppe's post for that one.)
---Shield Earrings (-10Mp +10Hp) Use these if you can't find Physical Earrings
---Black Slacks
---Black Tunic
---Scentless Armletts

Notes:
You only need 50 MP to beat these guys. The rest is a waste of mana. Granted I am not saying go in with just 50MP but the point is you need more HP and Def then you do MP. With these items your giving yourself a 90 percent chance of winning at least in my opinion. The + evasion items are helpfull in avoiding getting hit and the Physical Earrings are expensive but your gonna sell them back at the same price in about 2 days anyway. GET THEM!

3) More Defense ^^.
---Try to get Protect III if you can. At least Protect II. (Aero II from Garuda hit me for a 123 Damage twice.)
---Boiled Crab. If you can't find any use Boiled Crayfish. But use one of them!

Notes:
Can you beat these guys with your own half powered Protect 1?...I am sure you can. Would I risk it...NO! It took me about 10 seconds for every single battle to give a shout for protect and shell. People are glad to take 10 seconds of their time to help you. I got Protect 3 for 3 of the battles and the other was Protect 2. I made a macro before hand for all my avatars that go like this...

/shout {Protect} 2 {Shell} 2 {Please} {Ramuh} {Battle} {Thank You}

Use the translator and if noone responds, do a quick scan of the area for Whm or pld and send them the following message…

/tell (Name of whm) {Excuse Me...} {Protect} 2 {Shell} 2 {Please} {Garuda} {Battle} {Thank You}

Again Use the translator and have your flag up incase they invite you, so they can find you on the map. Make it easy on them and they will be glad to help. Boiled crab is a great help to your def boost, but if they don't have any get boiled crayfish. Every bit of defense helps.

4) Know your game plan.
---If you can find them watch the videos of Azzam battling the avtars. (I will try to find the link)
---Read everything you can about how to use the 3 searing light method.
---Write Macros to quickly access the things you need.

Notes:
(I found Azzam's Website but he has taken down the video's. I have the videos and if anyone can contact him, please ask him if I can post his videos on my server)

Azzam's videos are very inspirational, as he makes the battles look so easy =P. But they also show, what in my opinion, is a very key element to fighting the avatars....location of the starting point! The battle field consists of 3 sections that everyone talks about, the crystal, the bend, and the nest. I am adding a 4th section..."The Crack". You will see this in Azzam's video's but basically when you past the bend, about halfway to the nest you will come to a jagged section with a crack that splits the jagged rock with the next rock. This is where your going to begin your battle. (See the walkthrough section for more details)

Macros are great, use them carefully and you going to give yourself an advantage. (See macro section for more details).

5) Banish is your second best weapon

Notes:
If your finished with 3 Searing Lights and the Prime has less then 1/8 of HP use Banish. It should hit for 25-34 dmg every time. (At least mine did, and hopefully your divine skill is maxed from your whm leveling) I tried to melee once and it was useless. If I had not paniced and used Banish I would have won the first time I fought Garuda. Carby's second Searing Light hit for only 104 dmg instead of 210.

6) Be level 20 and Max your smn skill

Notes:
I would suggest taking the time and obtain lvl 20 before going into these battles. Can you do it a lvl 19...I am sure its possible but every extra bit of HP and Magic skill you gain from getting to 20 can't hurt. And max your smn skill. Your a smn, its the most important skill you have, take the time to be a good smn and max your skill every two levels at least. We spend alot of time looking for parties. Use that time to level your summon skill. You will thank me when your lvl 20 and don't need to sit there for 2 days cause your smn skill is at 35. The cap for smn skill at 20 is 63.

7) Battle the Avatar on its weak elemental day.

Ifrit: (Watersday)
Shiva: (Firesday)
Ramuh: (Earthsday)
Garuda:(Iceday)
Titan: (Windsday)
Leviathan: (Lightningday)
Lightsday is Carby's strong day. I fought Ramuh my second time around on Lightsday and had no problems at all beating him.

Notes:
I fought everyone of the above on their weak day (Except Ramuh) and let me tell you, Garuda hit me for 124 dmg with Aero II on her weak day. I don't know if that was her max on her NON weak day, but I will be damned if I am gonna find out. You can do the following and have all your avatars in one day.

Watersday - Ifrit
Wait 2 Hours
Iceday - Garuda
Wait 2 Hours
Lightsday - Shiva (Carby's Strong Day)
Wait 2 Hours
Earthsday - Ramuh
Wait 2 Hours
Windsday - Titan
Wait 2 Hours
Lightningsday - Leviathon

8) Don't PANIC!!!

Notes:
The biggest suggestion I can make is not to panic. I paniced a few times and I lost those battles. I was very nervous going into these battles as I have very little patience and like to have things right away. The thought of loosing and having to wait 24 hours to try again made me cringe. So my heart was racing and I made some poor decisions along the way. If you can stay calm and not wildly start to drink ethers and potions you stand a better chance of winning.

9) Fame 2 in all you need.

Notes:
You DO NOT need fame 3 in all 4 cities to obtain the avatar battles. You only need Fame level 2 in Norg/Windurst/SanDoria/Bastok. I already had fame 6 in Windurst and fame 7 in Norg so I can't tell you what to do for those but I started with fame 1 in both Bastok and SanDoria. To obtain fame 2 I did the following.

I know this as a FACT since I only have Fame 2 in SanDoria and Bastok and I was able to obtain the Avatar quests.

SanDoria - Turned in 3 stacks of flint stones to the guy in the Tavern.
Bastok - Turned in 8 treant bulbs to the lady in the merchant house.

THATS IT!!! It was cheap and quick and its all you need to get fame 2 and aquire the avatar battles.

Walkthrough

Now I am going to explain my version of the 3 Searing Light Methos.

IMPORTANT NOTE:
My version is exactly like all the other versions except for the inclusion of "The Crack". Now the crack may or may not be the deciding factor for these battles but I felt like I was A)In control of the fight this way and B)The timing worked out perfectly. So here we go.

Step 1
After getting the required fame level talk to the Non Taru NPC in the appropriate location and obtain the Mini Tuning Fork.

Location are as follows:

Ifrit
City: Kazham
NPC: Dodmos
Area: J-9
Day: Watersday

Titan
City: Bastok
NPC: Ferrol
Area: I-8
Day: Windsday

Garuda
City: Rabao
NPC: Rahi Fohlatti
Area: G-8
Day: Iceday

Leviathon
City: Norg
NPC: Verctissa
Area: H-9
Day: Lightningsday

Shiva
City: SanDoria
NPC: Castilchat
Area: E-7
Day: Firesday

Ramuh
City: Mhaura
NPC: Lacia
Area: I-9
Day: Earthsday

Step 2
When your ready to go and its the appropriate day send out the following message:

/shout {Protect} 2 {Shell} 2 {Please} {Avatar Name} {Battle} {Thank You}.

If you can't get this don't panic, simply cast protect and shell on yourelf and continue to step 3. Again, I had no problem (Except in Rabao) getting Protect 2 and Shell 2 within 5 seconds of sending the shout. Rabao is tougher only becuase most people there are fishing and many of them (deny it or not) are botting. It took me a little longer to get help there but I got it. (Thanks Magica). Again use the translator and be very courtious to who ever helps you. /kneel /bow {Thank You} are all good responses to getting help =P

Step 3
After you get your Protect and Shell trade your Mini Tunning Fork to the same Non Taru NPC in the appropriate city. When you do this a small cutscene will take place and you will be transported to the area where the Protocrystal is.

Step 4
When you get to the Protocrystal your now ready to battle the avatar. First eat your Boiled Crab or Boiled Crayfish, then trade your mini tuning fork to the Protocrystal. When you do this you will see another cutscene introducing the Prime and will then appear on the battlefield. Don't worry you have 15 minutes to beat the prime and your safe by the crystal.

Note:
DO NOT click the Protocrystal or you will be sent to the real lvl 65+ battle (So I am told) Simply trade the fork to the Protocrystal.

Step 5
When you arrive in the battlefield cast Aquaveil on yourself and the appropriate Bar element spell. You currently (if subbing whm) only have 3 bar element spells that are usefull. For the rest don't worry about it.

Leviathon - BarWatera
Titan - Barstonra
Shiva - Barsleepra

Step 6 Click here for Diagram
Head just past the bend to the jagged rock platform and drink your Yagudo Drink. As soon as your finished using the Yagudo Drink walk up to the "Crack" and start casting Carbuncle. As your casting Carbuncle, the Prime will start to come for you. This is the part that I feel helps put you in control of the battle. When I fought Titan (my first battle) I casted carby long before the bend which meant I had to physically walk up to the nest to aggro the Prime. First and foremost this made me very nervous and I felt like it put me on the defensive. The primes aggro on site, so I am told, and I believe casting carbuncle when standing at the "Crack" will aggro the Prime to come for you. As soon as Carby is out he will automatically go after the prime. You do not need to use the assault command.

Note: If for some reason the Prime didn't aggro you while casting Carby simply walk 2 steps past the "Crack" and then walk back. If you casted carby in the correct location this will be enough to aggro the Prime to come out of the nest.

Step 7 (See the Ramuh section for specifics on this part of the battle when fighting him)
As soon as Carby gets a couple hits in walk up and stand next to the prime. Now hit Astral Flow then Searing Light. When you use Astral Flow and Searing Light the Prime will turn to attack you. Good thing you got all the HP and Def gear. Don't panic, you will be ok. Now when you use searing light whatever you do makes sure you close to the Prime and do not, I repeat do not move until Carby jumps up in the air. As soon as Carby leaps into the air turn and run down the ramp to the Crystal. Keep your eye on carby's name above your log, and if for any reason it disappears stop and recast Carby.

Note: Do not wait to long to start Astral Flow and Searing Light. The longer you wait the more carbys hit points will be depleated. You need carby to have about 1/2 his HP when you start running for the crystal.

Step 8
Now you should be back at the crystal. And Carby should be just about dead if everything went well. As soon as Carby dies recast carby. Again Carby will automatically go after the Prime, you do not need to use the Assault command. After Carby goes after the prime, check your MP bar. You will probably need to dring an ether at this point and possibly a Hi-Potion. Just remember first and foremost Carby is your body guard. Make sure having him out is your first priority. If he is out and has HP and you don't, then use a Hi-Potion. If he dies, then casting him is your first priority. Don't panic about MP. After casting Carby you have plenty of time to drink an Ether.

Step 9
Now that you recasted carby and he is fighting the prime (near the crystal) head up to the prime and stand next to him. Fire off Searing Light number 2. Again DO NOT move! As soon as carby jumps up run like hell for the nest.

Note: Be carefull on your way to the nest cause I found myself in a panic and there is part on the Jagged Rock section past the bend that you can get stuck on. Stick to the left side of the path and you should be fine. Also keep your eye on Carby. As soon as his name disappears recast him. If you make it to the Nest area and carby is doing well and you need HP then go ahead and use a Hi-Potion.

Step 10
When Carby dies reacast him as the Prime is comming up the ramp for you. He will run after the Prime automatically so don't worry about assault. Once carby goes after him check your MP. If you have less then 44mp down an Ether and start heading for the Prime. Once you have 44 or more MP get next to the prime and hit Searing Light 3. Once again DO NOT move.

Step 11
This last Searing Light should kill the Prime. If not a few things may happen.
A) If carby is still alive and the Prime is not dead run back towards the Crystal as far as you can until Carby dies.
B) If carby dies before you can run and the prime has very minimal health like 1/8 or then down another Ether and Cast Banish on him. This should kill him.
C) If Carby dies and the Prime has more HP then the above recast Carby and let him melee while you cast Banish.

If the Prime was not defeated by the three Searing Lights then don't panic. Yes you will have one angry Prime but remember these things in order of importancy.

-Carby is your main priority. Make sure he is out and meleeing. This will do dmg to the Prime as well as keep hate off you.
-HP is your second priority. Make sure you HP is out of the red if not more and out of the yellow. Without HP your dead and the battle is over.
-MP is your last priority. The Yagudo drink will keep Carby out long enough that you should be able to defeat the Prime. If it runs out, verify your situation and act accordingly. Either concede your death, drink another Yag drink and get carby out or cast banish and release carby.

Step 12
Defeat the Prime and obtain him and the warp scroll. Warp back to you HP and enjoy your new friend =P

Ramuh Section -
Note:
I beat Ramuh last night Aug 16th without a hitch on Lightsday. The following information is all you need to know to beat him in my opinion. Good luck.

When you fight Ramuh things are pretty much the same except one major difference. Thunderspark!!!! When I fought Ramuh the first time, I went through my usuall routine. Past bend, drink Yag Drink, get to "Crack" cast carby, Prime comes out of nest then.....

Bam....Thunderspark! Half way from the nest to the "Crack" Ramuh charged up and fired off a Thunderstrike that hit both Carby and myself. So what did I do....PANIC!!! Not the right thing to do. What I then did was cast Paralyna on myself. I was lucky and got it off on the first try. I then did Astral Flow, stood next to Ramuh and fired off Searing Light. I waited about 2 seconds when I noticed Carby didn't do anything. So I figured man I must have hit the wrong macro, so Searing Light again.... 0:45 seconds remaining..OH MY GOD!!!!! Obviously looking back now, I realise Carby was paralyzed...duh!

So here is my strategy for beating Ramuh.

I fought him twice now and both times Ramuh did the same exact thing. Which was to hit us with Thunderspark halfway out of the Nest. If you get hit with Thunderspark DO NOT use Astral Flow!. Don't start the 3 min astral flow counter until later.

Assume everything is the same up till Step 6.

Ramuh Step 6
Run up past the bend to the "Crack" and cast Carby. Do not use the Yagudo drink yet because...Ramuh should come out of the nest and use Thunderspark. You and carby will be paralyzed.

Ramuh Step 7
Cast Paralyna on yourself and Run for the crystal. Let carby melee Ramuh for awhile until Carby dies.

Ramuh Step 8
A split second before Carby dies down the Yagudo Drink and recast Carby. (Basically the 3 searing light method starts now) As Ramuh comes down to the crystal carby will attack him.

Ramuh Step 9
Now stand next to Ramuh and use Astarl Flow then Searing Light 1

Now repeat all the steps above. The only difference is Searing Light 1 is at the crystal, searing light 2 is at the nest and searing light 3 is back at the crystal.

Beating Ramuh
I thought I would write down the step by step results of my Winning fight angainst Ramuh in hopes that it may help you. These are the actually events that took place on Aug 16th 2004. I wrote them down from my log after the fight.

Note:
These are just the "Main" things that happened in the order in which they happened. I left out everything elese such as melee dmg from Carby or Damage numbers that he and I took.

-Casted Carbuncle.
-Ramuh Starts to come for us.
-Ramuh Casts Thunderspark.
-Carbuncle and I are paralyzed.
-Cast Paralyna on myself.
-Run to the Crystal and wait.
-Carbuncle was defeated by Ramuh.
-Use Yagudo Drink
-Casted Carbuncle.
-Ran up to Ramuh.
-Astral Flow
-Searling Light #1
-Ran to Nest.
-Carbuncle was defeated by Ramuh.
-Casted Carbuncle.
-Used an Ether.
-Ran up to Ramuh
-Searing Light #2
-Ran to Crystal.
-Carbuncle was defeated by Ramuh.
-Casted Carbuncle.
-Used a Hi Potion.
-Used an Ether.
-Ramuh casts Shockstrike.
-I am Stunned.
-Thiefcat is no longer Stunned.
-Searing Light #3
-Ramuh was Defeated by Carbuncle.

Thats it. As you can see I only used 1 Hi-Potion and 2 Ethers. This was by far my cheapest fight yet. I fought Ramuh on Lightsday (Carby's strong day) and had Protect II and Shell II. I also got Barthunder but am not sure when it wore off. I also used a boiled Crayfish for the Def boost.

Macros

Carby
/ma “Carbuncle” <me>

Astral Flow
/ja “Astral Flow” <me>

Searing Light
/pet “Searing Light” <bt>

Ether
/item “Ether” <me>

Potion
/item “Hi-Potion” <me>

Yagudo
/item “Yagudo Drink” <me>

Banish
/ma “Banish” <bt>

Dia
/ma “Dia” <bt>

Other things to note

1) You can only fight the Prime once every 24 hours.
---People say you can fight the Prime again as long as the servers in Japan get reset wich is midnight Japanese time. I find this to be false. I tried this twice, once with Titan and once with Garuda and I was unable to refight them until 24 hours had passed.

2) You obtain a Warp Scroll if you win.
---Having a warp scroll with you in your inventory will not grant you a second warp scroll. So do not bring one with you, its a waste of you CP
---I also believe strongly that if you have a warp scroll in your mog house you will NOT recieve another warp scroll. I had one in my mog house when I fought Shiva and I did NOT get another from beating her. Don't take the change and have to blood port home. Do youself a favor and don't have any warp scrolls either on you or in your mog house.

3) Fame Requirements
---As stated earlier you only need fame 2 to obtain the mini forks. You DO NOT need fame 3.

4) You will Probably lose.
---As much research I did with guides and videos I felt there was no way I could lose. But let me tell you something...chances are you will lose. Don't get discuraged. Every fight teaches you something new. Just go over what you did wrong and fix it for next time. All you lose is your pride and some gil.

5) HAVE FUN!!
---Remember to have fun. These battles are cool and there is nothing more enjoyable then when you win and you cast Ifrit or Shiva or whoever for the first time. Its enpowering. So have fun.

Thanks.

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Edit: Added Macros Section
Edit: Added Link for the picture of battlefield
Edit: Added Link to Treppe's post about Physical Earrings

Edited, Mon Aug 16 15:04:41 2004 by Thiefcat

Edited, Tue Aug 17 08:11:34 2004 by Thiefcat

Edited, Tue Aug 17 09:06:52 2004 by Thiefcat

Edited, Tue Aug 17 10:01:12 2004 by Thiefcat

Edited, Wed Aug 18 14:57:08 2004 by Thiefcat

Edited, Wed Aug 18 14:58:38 2004 by Thiefcat

Yay Thiefcat!
/clap

With all these guides, I have no idea why you aren't 5.00 ^_^

::rate up::

Eriiko >
Thanks, its good to see you again. Hows things going?

Crusher >
LOL I know, I hate my job to much to work, so I write guides and hang out here all day. Maybe one day I will go back to being a husband and spent time with my wife instead of playing this game =P

Apis>
Thanks I really hope this guide helps you and I am glad its not just me who thinks that the "Crack" has some sort of effect on you..lol

Great Guide! - On Ramuh, i did the same strategy...but watch out, cause when i did the 1st SL down by the crystal, he Judgement Bolted poor Carby...so you need to be a little quick getting ready for the second SL :)

GL!!!!!!!

MasterofYeven Wrote:

You DO NOT need fame 3. If I only have fame 2 (which is a proven fact since I just asked the appropriate NPC in each town) why would you think you need fame 3..lol

Fame 2 is all I have in Bastok and SanDoria (ITS A FACT) so therfore you only need fame 2 to aquire the avatars.

Bastok Fame
Level 1
[Name]? What is that, some kind of snail? Oh, that's your name. You must be a rookie adventurer, right?
Level 2
[Name]? Hmm...sounds familiar. Who was it again? Oh. Well uh...not many people know who you are, but if you work hard enough, word will get around about your good deeds.
Level 3
Oh, you're [Name]. Yeah, I've heard of you. You're not doing too bad for an adventurer. Keep working hard, and the people of Bastok will come to recognize your efforts.

SanDoria Fame
Level 1
Hmm... [Name], you say? No, never heard that name. Do not expect me to learn the name of every recruit! Do good for the kingdom and her people, and they shall come to know you. Once you have their trust, they will request your help more readily. Just keep your head down, and your day shall come.
Level 2
[Name]...? Hmm... I might have heard that name before. Then again, maybe not. You are not famous yet. Keep your nose to the grindstone and work for the people. Soon, they will know you better!
Level 3
Ah, [Name]. That is a name I often hear. People speak well of you! Your deeds for the kingdom have earned you much honor.

Guess what mines says....thats right the ones listed under fame 2

Drache Wrote

Wow good to know thanks. If this happens and I survive I will deffinatly add it to my guide. Thanks again =P

Edited, Mon Aug 16 16:57:11 2004 by Thiefcat

Yalka,

I will fix the Protocyrstal thing.

Yeah I beat Ramuh last night when I talked with you. It was really easy actually and my guide was perfect for how to fight him. I have them all now and am very happy about that.

Can someone tell me when Mindnight Japan time is for Eastern Time Zone. I fought Titan at 1:00am EDT and tried again sometime after 1:00pm (12 hours later). No luck. Same thing about Garuda only I don't remember the times, so I can't say for sure. I know I did try to go for her again at what I thought would have been past Midnight Japan time and was unable to get it, so I don't know.

Good Luck Yalka. Follow my guide you should be fine.

Thast really weird Drachejdr cause like I said I fought Titan at 1:00am Saturday Morning. I then went to bed. And I know for a fact that I did not try to fight Titan again till the afternoon sometime on Saturday. It was well past 11:00am EDT and it would NOT let me do the quest. He kept telling me that you have to wait awhile to try again.

Anyway thanks and its not that I don't believe you guys, I just know what happened to me and that I could not fight him till 24 hours had past. I actually didn't refight him till Sunday afternoon sometime.

Master Artwokay wrote

wOOt, {Congratulations} on your victory. I am glad I could help. Its good to see feedback on my guide, and I hope I can help others. Good luck with the other ones, you got the hard one out of the way now =)

Edit: Master updated as I was posting the above so now that I read his update here is my update..lol

Master, wow that sounds like an exciting battle. It also sounds risky. If you were paralyzed a little sooner you might not have been able to cast such a long spell such as Carby. But it worked out for you which was great. Like you said, my biggest problem and I think many's biggest problem is PANIC! It was hard for me to keep myself Calm during the fights and I truely believe the two out of the three losses I had was do to Panic. Titan wooped my butt since it was my first fight and I didn't do the "Crack" thing that time. But Garuda and Ramuh the first time...I lost due to Panic. Anyway good job and nice victory =)

Edited, Tue Aug 17 09:59:16 2004 by Thiefcat

It's rank two fame, I got both Titan and Shiva with rank two fame.

They maybe exceptions, as Levaithian is to the high level fights.

LOL
This is getting funny now.

Why would people argue with me that you need Fame 3?

LISTEN CLOSELY

I ONLY HAVE FAME 2 IN BASTOK AND SANDORIA

AND I WAS ABLE TO AQUIRE THE AVATAR BATTLES

I mean how much simpler is it then that. If its was Fame 3 then there would be no way I would have beaten Garuda, Shiva, or Titan.

Come on people this isn't rocket science. Maybe SE changed the fame requirement to 2 since as you said, "Way Back" when you did your avatar fights. Also mysterytour.com is a great website and I use it often but it has been known to be wrong. Their skill cap chart was wrong for something before, I can't remember right now. Something to do with bst i think. Also the summoninfo.com website is alos an older website. When that guy or gal did his avatar quests, the requirement for Fame may have been 3 back then.

Also, you mentioned the word Rank. Rank and Fame are two different things. Now if your saying you need to be Rank 3 or higher with Fame 2 then thats one thing. But if its based soley on Fame then you don't need 3. I am Rank 5 not sure if that matters at all.

BUT....

If the avatars battles are based soely on FAME for each city, that I can confirm 100% that at least in Bastok and SanDoria for Garuda, Titan, and Shiva you only need Fame 2. I have Fame 6 in windy and fame 7 in norg so I can't speak for those two cities. But come on now, I only have fame 2 Bastok and SanDoria so why are we arguing this.

Alos, Plese don't rate down my guide cause you have a disagreement with me. The guide is a good guide as many have posted already and I have helped others online.

Edited, Tue Aug 17 11:24:59 2004 by Thiefcat

Thiefcat...I am now in love with you...

First of all, as you can see from my previous posts, I was in no way rude or beligerant. I have no reason to rate any posts, up or down, basically because I consider it quite pointless. I have read great posts on these message boards that were written by people with a low rating or "karma" if you will. Conversely have also read horrific posts by highly rated authors. I believe the actual content of the post should have more bearing towards the merit of a persons work then a meaningless numeric value.

Short version: I did not rate your post down.


Having said that, I would like to address your other points:




There is I suppose no way to settle this. You saying that you were able to complete the quest at Fame 2 and me stating that it requires Fame 3 is a pointless debate. Pointless because it is your word against mine and neither of us have any way of presenting any hard evidence to support our claims.



I think any reasonable person would be able to interchange the term rank and/or level, but for the sake of clarity I will state that I was refering fame level, not national rank.


At any rate I will just end it like this:

We both have all of our avatars and should be happy with that, regardless of how they were obtained or the stipulations/requirements needed to get them.

Congrats on your guide. I enjoyed it.

Again, you do not listen.


/sigh


Your statement proves nothing.


I can make similar statements. They would also prove nothing.


I could say "Jenna Jameson is in my bed naked right now" and the fact that I believe and say that it is true would still not make my statement true or be reliable proof to convince others with.


I have previously referenced two credible sources (www.summoner.info and mysterytour.com) which substantiate my claims.

You have previously referenced your word to substantiate your claims.


I ask the public, which do you put more credence in?

Edited, Tue Aug 17 12:36:32 2004 by MaestersOfYevon

There is no point in debating with you.

Congrats on your guide. Good luck in the future.

Edited, Tue Aug 17 12:50:13 2004 by MaestersOfYevon

Guys I hand drew a better picture of the battlefield (I hope). It should show better the location of the Crack as well as where to cast carby.

Hope it helps.

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Go visit the webiste.

Ill give you ftp access and YOURNAME@darkhound.net

What i need is for you to develop teh summoner sectiuon... placing this guide you wrote.. would be ideal.ç

let me know what do you think. Workng with peopole committed as you is a pleaure.

I would like for us to have the ultimate summoner resource website

Were you able to message look up the email account?

Let me know

Hey Yalka,

Hope you beat Ramuh =)

Well the fame levels are set in stone. There are specific things that the NPC will tell you in each town which directly relates to your fame level and never changes from person to person. They are as follows:

Windurst
(fame check NPC: windurst waters F-10 - Zabirego-Hajigo)
1) Cyndane? Hmm... Sorry, but I never heard that name before.
2) Cyndane? Hmm... Now, was that the name of the...? No, that was some other lady.
3) Oh, you're the Squink that people are starting to talk about. I've heard pretty good things about you.
4) Why, if it isn't Squink! I heard some guys talking about you over their dinners at the eatery last night. They had nothing but good things to say about you. Keep up the good work!
5) Hello there, Squink! There aren't many Windurstians who don't know that name. We're all proud to have you on our side! Keep up the great work!
6) Mister Squink! You'd have to be living in a hole somewhere not to have heard that name. All the bards in the land are singing songs of your outstanding deeds. Keep up the extraordinary work!
7) Miss Cyndane! There isn't a soul in all of Windurst that has yet to hear the tales of your feats. Why, I remember when you were just a fledgling adventurer. It seems like just yesterday...
8) A day doesn't go by when I fail to hear a tale of your deeds. I am proud to be a citizen of the same great country as Lady Cyndane. Keep up the marvelous work!
9) Lady Cyndane! I am honored to have the hero of Windurst in my presence. Every man and woman in the country knows by heart the tales of your courage. May the Goddess shine her light of grace upon you.


Bastok
(fame check NPC: port bastok E-6 - Flaco)
1) Squink? What is that, some kind of snail? Oh, that's your name. You must be a rookie adventurer, right?
2) Squink? Hmm...sounds familiar. Who was it again? Oh. Well uh...not many people know who you are, but if you work hard enough, word will get around about your good deeds.
3) Ah, Neyelo, I've heard of you. Just keep up the hard work and more people will get to know you.
4) Oh, you're Squink. Yeah, I've heard of you. You're not doing too bad for an adventurer. Keep working hard, and the people of Bastok will come to recognize your efforts.
5) Hello there, Squink. Quite a few people are talking about the things you've done for Bastok. People are starting to talk about you. Keep on doing whatever you're doing!
6) Hello there Squink. A lot of people know what you've done for Bastok. People are saying good things about you. Keep up the good work!
7) Most everyone in this country knows your name by now, Truk! People are saying great things about you. You don't know how proud that makes me feel-Ive been following your progress ever since you came to bastok.
8) You must be Truk. Don't look so surpised, as everyone knows your name and what you've done for Bastok. Truk, we're very proud to have someone like you as a Bastoker.
9) Master Truk! You are a hero to the people of Bastok! Everyone here knows your name and what you've done for us!You are the example every Bastoker should follow!


Sandoria
(fame check NPC: south sandoria K-6 - Namonutice)
1) Hmm... Xeu, you say? No, never heard that name. Do not expect me to learn the name of every recruit! Do good for the kingdom and her people, and they shall come to know you. Once you have their trust, they will request your help more readily. Just keep your head down, and your day shall come.
2) Bahanahab...? Hmm... I might have heard that name before. Then again, maybe not. You are not famous yet. Keep your nose to the grindstone and work for the people. Soon, they will know you better!
3) Ah, Bahanahab. That is a name I often hear. People speak well of you! Your deeds for the kingdom have earned you much honor.
4) Squink! You have become well known in these parts! I hear much of your accomplishments. Keep up the good work, and greatness lies in your future.
5) Ah, Squink! You are famous in our kingdom! Of you no ill is spoke. Give to the kingdom and she will give to you, no?
6) Somnar! I would venture that much the kingdom has heard your name! And your reputation sparkles. Indeed I am proud of you. And to think I first knew you when you were a new recruit!
7) Hello, Somnar. Practically all of the kingdom has heard of you now. What's more, your reputation is stellar. I look forward to even greater things from you!
8) Somnar! People are talking about you! Every infant in his cradle knows your name! And they hold you in highest regard! I am so proud of you! May your kind deeds continue!
9) Sir Somnar! There isn't a soul in the kingdom that doesn't consider you a hero! As a representative of the people of San d'Oria, I humbly ask you to continue your efforts for the good of the country. May the light of the Goddess shine upon you!


Jeuno
(fame check NPC: lower jeuno H-8 - Mendi)
1) Rundi, eh? Hmm... That name is vaguely familiar... But I'm afraid few in this town have heard of you. Just keep working at it. You'll make a name for yourself eventually.
2) Oh, so you're Ruuk...Yes, I heard some travelers in a tavern talk about you. It seems you've a fair reputation.
3) Squink! You have become well known in these parts! I hear much of your accomplishments. Keep up the good work, and greatness lies in your future.
4) Hello, Truk! I hear your name mentioned quite often these days. You've done well, my friend. Keep at it.
5) Hello, Truk! A good deal of people here in Jeuno know about you! and they all say you're quite the do-gooder! Thank you for serving our fair city. Keep up the good work!
6) Why, it's Squink! Your growing reputation precedes you. We hope your already substantial contributions to our humble city will continue to grow with time.
7) Why, hello, Kodimus. I say, literally everyone in Jeuno knows your name. It is my pleasure to inform you how impressed we are with your service to Jeuno. We hope to see more of your commendable generosity in the future!
8) Lord Squink! To all citizens here, your name is synonymous with courage and sacrifice. Not a day goes by without hearing of your saintlike service to Jeuno. I speak for all of Jeuno when I express my sincerest appreciation for your generosity. Indeed, bards shall sing of your virtues for ages to come!
9) You have emerged as a hero to the people of Jeuno. Just the sound of your name strikes courage into their hearts. As a representative of its citizens, I humbly ask you to continue your efforts for the good of the duchy.

So there is an EXACT way to tell if what fame level you have. It does not waver from these sayings nor can you have a different lvl of "Fame 2". Your either Fame 2 or your not.


Edited, Wed Aug 18 08:54:58 2004 by Thiefcat

Hey Thiefcat,

Not had a chance against Ramuh yet, beat Ifrit, Garuda and Shiva in a row, then ran out of money ;_;

I'm not sure if you completely understood me. I know that the fame levels are specific to a certain amount of fame, I know that the NPCs in the different Cities all change their comments at the same amount.. But what I'm trying to put across is:

Let's say that your character's fame in each place is stored as a number. This number, we will assume, refers to a number of fame 'units' you have. So for example you might get 15 units for finishing a certain quest, or whatever.

Assume you need 100 Units or more to have reached fame level 2.

Now also assume you need 200 Units or more to have reached fame level 3.

What you two are arguing about is this: You think that you need 100 Units or more of fame (i.e. Level 2) to get the quests. The other poster thinks that you need 200 Units (i.e. Level 3) to get the quests. What I am suggesting is that perhaps you need something like 150 Units of fame. Somewhere in between the two. The argument could have arisen as follows:

You got to Level 2, and went a fair bit over the 100 Unit marker, to, say, 160 Units. You can therefore get the quest. However, you still check as having level 2 fame.

The other poster got to Level 2, but only just, and had, say, 130 Units when they checked as Level 2. Therefore they could not get the quest, and continued until they checked as Level 3.

Hope that makes it a bit clearer, and sorry once again if this has already been suggested, then disproven and dismissed.

Thanks again for all your help Thiefcat ^^

where is it thiefcat? i dont see any shortcut to get the picture.
please resubmit.

Thank you.

Uh, this is something that I really, really wish I knew before fighting Ramuh, and I suggest everyone takes it into consideration:

Go there with MORE items than you need. I went in to fight Ramuh with two Hi-Potions, two Ethers, two Yagudo Drinks, one Boiled Crab, and a Pamama Au Lait. "No way I can lose", I thought to myself.

Here's the thing. Thunderspark will slow you down. A lot. At maxed summoning skill, Carby doesn't do nearly enough damage to Ramuh to rely on him meleeing and finishing it off. If I had taken THREE Hi-Potions and THREE Ethers instead of the two, I would've beat him senseless x_x

In conclusion, you may want to mention that for the Ramuh battle, go overprepared. Very overprepared. Bring three or four of items if you need to.

I seriously would've had him, too :/

Edit: I just reread the guide and realized it said "Bring 4..." Uh, pay serious attention to that part of the guide ^^

Edited, Wed Aug 18 14:37:09 2004 by Diamondelle

Is this insider information you've gotten from SE regarding how fame works, or is it your own assumptions that you're passing off as fact?

I've got a lot of experience with fame, having over time worked my way high enough for the drain and aspir quests, the warp quests, teleport quests, avatars and finally hero status. And frankly, despite all that experience I wouldn't feel comfortable saying I know for a fact exactly how fame works. But perhaps you've got an inside line that I don't.

Well I am an honest person and will tell you this is my opinion only. But I too have done Fame for quests.

The fact still remains...

I currently only hold lvl 2 fame in both bastok and sandoria and have aquired the Avatar battles. One other thing to mention is this. I have only handed in 8 treant bulbs in Bastok which gave me Fame 2. I have only done 9 Flint Stone quests in SanDoria.

Now since you have done so many fame based quests, you should know, (if there was a level to each fame), that would put me at the lowest end of the Fame 2 scale. Meaning according to the theory that there is different levels of fame for each fame rank I am even farther away from Fame 3 then if there was only one step to each fame.

I stress this point so much cause I want new Summoners to know they don't need to go crazy spending money or time getting fame just to quest for avatars.

Sorry I just get sick of people coming to these boards and passing off assumptions or misinformation as fact (and usually getting rated up for it).

Fame is a mysterious thing, and it's always one person's word against the other's. There used to be tons of debates like the one in this thread back before the level 20 quests were added. I've heard people swear they couldn't get the leviathan fork (the normal one, not the mini) until the price of rice balls in Jeuno went down to 155. I've heard others say they got it at 157 and still others say it took them till 153. Some people swear you need level 7 fame to get the forks. Others swear with equal vehemence that they got them at level 6.

On a tangent, does anyone really know how fame is calculated? Exactly how many turn-ins it takes to get a level of fame? Is each turn-in weighted the same, or do some quests advance you more than others? Maybe the number of turn-ins needed varies from person to person. Can we be certain that getting fame isn't like getting summoning skill-ups, with each turn-in not necessarily resulting in a "point" of fame but merely giving you a random chance of getting a "point"?

Keep one thing in mind as you insist that there is no "in-between" fame: To gain a new level of fame, you need a certain amount of quest turn-ins. Clearly, the game must be keeping track or count of these turn-ins, assigning them some sort of point value. (Why should we assume this? Because each quest turn-in does not equal one level of fame, correct?) And clearly there must be some formula for determing how many turn-in "points" it takes to get a new level of fame. Therefore, there must be SOME sort of in-between. Now does the game recognize the in-betweens as triggers to open certain quests? I can't say for sure one way or another. I'm not sure I know anyone who is qualified to say they know FOR CERTAIN that the avatar quests aren't triggered by an in-between number.

You also need to question the validity of the accepted fame ranking system. I personally have never seen any official word from SE on the matter, have you? My personal opinion is that the fame "levels" we always refer to are merely numbers that, over time, players have assigned to the different fame messages in order to talk about and make some sort of sense of the fame system. As far as I've been able to tell, the fame messages are more of vague guidelines to show your progress, rather than a concrete number such as "You have reached level 27 summoning skill." Through people's experiences they've vaugly assigned a fame level to certain quests, but really it's more of an anecdotal window: "I was not able to get this quest before, but at some point after I achieved X fame message I was able to get it." Is it possible the quest could have been opened sooner? Of course, but this is the trigger most people have been able to agree on.

Unless you check both your fame message and the avatar NPC after EVERY SINGLE quest turn-in, I think it's pretty presumptious to say you know exactly where the trigger is.

Until someone does this, and it's verified that this works for everyone, the method for obtaining avatar forks will continue to be overshooting until you're reasonably certain you've got the level of fame required before running around to all the NPCs.

Took the words right out of my mouth Daione, having moved them about and made them a bit more eloquent first ^^

There is, and may never be, a way of finding out about the invisible counter that is racking up your fame in between levels. And as you said, without careful and extremely long-winded experimentation, there is no way of knowing whether this affects the quests.

I'm glad that the point I made was valid, and all I hope people to have gained from this is perhaps a readjusted attitude when it comes to the necessary fame levels for quests in future - not "You ONLY need level 2 fame for this quest", but rather "It is possible under the right circumstances to do this quest with level 2 fame".

Now that's cleared up, I have to earn some money for the other half of my avatar fights ^^;