As far as the damage boost that Ryunohige has gained from the update, 15%. Have you compared this to the damage difference on Gungnir to see what exactly is the % difference? That factored, your results may vary.
The overall damage of drakes between the raw base damage of the 3 lances in question (relic/mythic/Corsesca) isnt quite as wildly different as you might think just looking at the lance base damage. A 50% str mod means a TON of our damage comes from raw str (compared to say a 30% mod on something like evis). All the weapons have access to the same +str, +DA, +atk, +crit damage/rate gear and atmas. So basically, we can just look at the raw str and base damage to figure out what the difference in WS will be (with a few caveats later).
Corsesca+2=D94 (Fstr cap=18)
Ryunhidge=D125 (Fstr cap=21)
Gugnir=D133 (Fstr cap=22)
In my gear/food, i have 84+73 str. In abyssea lets assume VV/RR/Apoc+cruor buffs. 50str VV and (max)70 cruor buff.
Abyssea Str=84+73+50+70=277 (caps Fstr guaranteed)
Normal Str=84+73=157 (on a hypothetical mob, i had 21 fst. Gugnir caps at 22, so i just pretended to have 22 fst exactly for simplicity)
So, lets check out base damage+fstr+wsc. The root of all drakesbane damage. Everything just multiplies this number. Atk, crit rate, crit damage etc are ALL based on the raw base damage of the combined lance/fstr/wsc:
NON-Abyssea:(ryun gets +15% too)
Abyssea: (ryun +15% again)
So if i use corsesca as a base (ie its 1.00) how much more damage do the others do over it?
If you WS in MY gear, this is the difference if you changed out my weapon. Obviously gear differs, but it is not going to swing anything wildly so long as you use the same gear for all 3 weapons. Gugnir only WS ~25% harder than corsesca. That may be shocking, but it is the truth. Also that 15% CANNOT be underestimated. With NO bonus, Gugnir only WS like 3-4% harder than ryun. That is WAY less than 15%. Ryun is the undisputed king of drakes by a long shot.
Now, if gugnir only WS <25% harder than corsesca, corsesca only needs to do 25% MORE ws (through DA TP) than a gugnir to match it in raw WS damage. Outside abyssea, 40% DA rate and easy(er) 5hit does that easily (not to mention 40% DA on soul/spirit= far more TP). It is not a big stretch to say that corsesca will put out more WS damage than a gungnir over time. Is that enough to ALSO beat the gugnirs melee DPS? I dont know without doing some REALLY in depth analysis, but it WILL be in the same general ball park in a raw dog TP spam non-stop scenario.
Ryun beats the bejesus outta everything in raw WS damage, but will loose the TP war in similar fasion to corsesca (though not as badly since it WS freakishly hard). However, its melee side is weakker than gugnir UNLESS it does the 300tp aftermath. That boosts its TP and DPS AND WS damage (DA aftermath works on WS), but requires all that TP saving/manipulation which cuts in damage. That one is even harder to measure because it is much more complex to measure and dependant on so many factors.
Also food for thought, Base DPS:
Ryun: 15.24 (22.86)
The (xx.xx) is a straight multiplier based on the DA. 40% corsesca, 50% ryun. The DA numbers are exaggerated because it does not include any DA/TA stuff equipped which will close the gap between gugnir and the rest. It also doesnt include the 2.5x proc or even more stuff like 'how much is the DA aftermath actually on' etc. But it is good food for thought regarding melee damage.
Corsesca isnt really all that terribly off of the relics in DPS, flatly out TPs everything, and isnt as far behind in raw per WS damage as most would think when they just look at teh lance base damage. Everything above ignores the 2.5x proc and thus underestimates gugnir (though the WS procs are so rare, it wont adjust the AVG by a whole lot) and this ignores the DA aftermath procs on WS for ryun (which push it up farhter). It is very hard to measure the totality of ryun on paper with teh funky aftermath. Also, obviously ignoring the acc on gugnir. Not terribly important right now, could verywell be a game changing aspect at 99 if we get outside lolAbyssea god status and back to 'real' mobs. Similarly the def down proc helps, but harder to quantify. We can hand pick situations that each would probably edge out the others, say a zerg with 300tp stored up, Ryun will DESTROY everything. But in constant melee, ryun will have to deal with the finicky aftermath to TRY to keep up. It is all very situational.
Dont get me wrong, I am not going to sit here and say corsesca just pwns relics or anything. I am just making the case that it IS an EXTREMELY competative lance and (imo) the flat out best option next to a relic/mythic/empy and (at least in SOME situations) has the potential to stay up there with them, and (MAYBE) given favorable conditions, edge them out occasionally. I wont say anything with certainty without having nearly enough experience with the relic/mythic except this. Corsesca is a beast in the right hands.
It is hard to compare because most serious drgs with a rellic/mythic/emp are geared to the teeth and play well. They probably dont really see any of the 'lesser' drgs competing without a relic cuz their competition isnt nearly as well geared/played. But I can say similarly from the other side (my drg is geared/played very well) that corsesca has put me so far over the top of other great players it isnt even funny. I also am very competative with Empy wars, relic wars and others i have run across, but I do not personally know any other drgs at my level of proficiency with a gugnir/ryun to really get a feel for what those weapons real potential are. But on paper at least, corsesca hangs with em. Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 6:07pm by Banalaty