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#1 Jan 01 2011 at 1:25 PM Rating: Default
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Which Polearm is greater out of those 3?
#2 Jan 01 2011 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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OaT Corsesca+2

Edit: Unless you weren't planning on getting one and were really just curious about those 3. In which case relic er, mythic, um empyrean OaT Corsesca+2 Smiley: nod

Edited, Jan 1st 2011 2:39pm by Reiterpallasch
#3 Jan 01 2011 at 1:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Of the 3, Ryunohige for sure. Aftermath duration buff from 80+ and the 15% damage bonus to Drakesbane on the level 90 version made it even more powerful than it already was. I'd say an aggressively played Ryunohige is the best polearm going right now (yes, even over Corsesca +2).

Edited, Jan 1st 2011 2:51pm by Beleren
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#4 Jan 04 2011 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Duration extension on the 80+ weapons? Oh yay, the duration of the +Acc I'll never need will be longer!

Shame AM isn't Atk first.

Edited, Jan 4th 2011 2:42pm by Noodles
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#5 Jan 04 2011 at 8:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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It is most definately between Empyrean and Mythic. Gugnir WS just BLOWS so it is a big lance with damage proc.

Empyream has a mediocre WS that is good on HNMs and can double light. Good occ does double damage aftermath.
Mythic gets to spam drakes all the time. With careful TP management maintain DA aftermath.

If you are in a high haste situation mythic should win handily. You never have to gimp down your WS from drakes, and any WS you loose occasionally saving to 300tp, you sohuld easily make back with the DA aftermath. Under high haste, you get to spam a LOT of drakes with aftermath up before you have to reapply aftermath. Sure you ahve to save up 300TP sometimes, but you are also getting 50% more TP across the board from DA without ever doing anything but super drakesbane spam. You will come out ahead. DA is better than double damage.

Short fights it wins since you can start with 300 and just ride the wave of DA awesome drakes spam all the way to the bank.

That said, empyream is no slouch. You will often have to sacrifice drakesbanes for the mediocre camlanns to get your aftermath back up. But it doesnt require finicky 300tp aftermaths and still gets double damage aftermath. It is also the easiest to complete of any of the 3. It also gets the double light bonus and the WS is great on HNMs (there just arent really any mobs hard enough now to warrent it, but i feel that will change by 99).

Empyream=HNM king and lower maintenance(no holding TP etc) and easier to get.
Mythic=zerg king and 'optimized' situation king(haste+drakes+careful TP management). Much harder to get.
Gugnir,......double damage proc on all the time. Thats about it. Still hard to get.

Honestly for 'general' play both Emp/Mythic will get the job done. They excel in different situations, but both are solid. Considering how much easier empyream is to get than mythic, thats the most likely candidate for most. Alex is horrendously expensive now since no one does salvage anymore.

I am a little unimpressed by all 3 honestly compared to other weapons. Thus why I am doing the Empyream dagger instead.

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#6 Jan 07 2011 at 6:07 PM Rating: Good
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Noodles wrote:
Duration extension on the 80+ weapons? Oh yay, the duration of the +Acc I'll never need will be longer!

Shame AM isn't Atk first.

Edited, Jan 4th 2011 2:42pm by Noodles

You shouldn't be using either of the first two aftermaths. Ryunohige is all about the 50% OAT you get for two minutes from a 300 TP Drakesbane.

Banalaty wrote:
It is most definately between Empyrean and Mythic. Gugnir WS just BLOWS so it is a big lance with damage proc.

Empyream has a mediocre WS that is good on HNMs and can double light. Good occ does double damage aftermath.
Mythic gets to spam drakes all the time. With careful TP management maintain DA aftermath.

If you are in a high haste situation mythic should win handily. You never have to gimp down your WS from drakes, and any WS you loose occasionally saving to 300tp, you sohuld easily make back with the DA aftermath. Under high haste, you get to spam a LOT of drakes with aftermath up before you have to reapply aftermath. Sure you ahve to save up 300TP sometimes, but you are also getting 50% more TP across the board from DA without ever doing anything but super drakesbane spam. You will come out ahead. DA is better than double damage.

Short fights it wins since you can start with 300 and just ride the wave of DA awesome drakes spam all the way to the bank.

That said, empyream is no slouch. You will often have to sacrifice drakesbanes for the mediocre camlanns to get your aftermath back up. But it doesnt require finicky 300tp aftermaths and still gets double damage aftermath. It is also the easiest to complete of any of the 3. It also gets the double light bonus and the WS is great on HNMs (there just arent really any mobs hard enough now to warrent it, but i feel that will change by 99).

Empyream=HNM king and lower maintenance(no holding TP etc) and easier to get.
Mythic=zerg king and 'optimized' situation king(haste+drakes+careful TP management). Much harder to get.
Gugnir,......double damage proc on all the time. Thats about it. Still hard to get.

Honestly for 'general' play both Emp/Mythic will get the job done. They excel in different situations, but both are solid. Considering how much easier empyream is to get than mythic, thats the most likely candidate for most. Alex is horrendously expensive now since no one does salvage anymore.

I am a little unimpressed by all 3 honestly compared to other weapons. Thus why I am doing the Empyream dagger instead.

My 2c.

Generally have the right idea here. That said, bear in mind that a crit is essentially a static pDIF modifier. WS that ignore defense and WS that crit will scale similarly on high defense NMs, and accuracy isn't really an issue for DRG so uncapped WS hitrate isn't really a factor. Then you factor in critdmg+ options, such as Razed Ruins and AF3+2 legs... Unless we see a whole new wave of high-level NMs in a non-Abyssea environment (such that critrate might become uncapped and there are no outside bonuses) in the future, I don't think Camlann's Torment will ever truly overtake Drakesbane. Especially not a Drakesbane from a Ryunohige.

Also, unimpressed by the polearms but doing the dagger? Did I miss something that made Rudra's Storm anything less than a steaming pile of crap?

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 7:08pm by Beleren
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#7 Jan 07 2011 at 6:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well the value of camlann's is entirely dependant on the direction the game goes at 99. If its abyssea god status players, sure it is kinda lame and pales next to drakes on anything. If we leave the playground and go back to the 'real' world camlanns will be REALLY handy. Cant do anything but meaningless speculation on that right now.

I also forgot to mention the reason I am unimpressed by the empyream polearm is because i have a occ atks twice corseca+2. The epeen damage isnt as high since it has lower base damage, but i still get ~40% DA and right now 94 base damage with no aftermath BS TP issues or gimping down from drakes to use Cam for aftermath. Its weaker, but has a 'DA aftermath' on all the time conceptually. The upgradde from this to empyream is not that much and even a downgrade in some situations. I didnt mean that the dagger was some OMGBBQ blows polearm outta the water. Its just that i have a REALLY badass lance as it is. I dont have anything near that badass for thf so empyream is a huge RELATIVE step up for me compared to lance.

Should have clarified that.
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#8TaoDRG, Posted: Jan 08 2011 at 9:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You know, Gungnir can still use Drakesbane and performs insanely well with it. Considering the recent updates, Gierskogul has become quite nice. I have sh*t for AGI gear at the moment, lacking a few key pieces, and my highest WS has been 2.9k (I have about 10-15 AGI in WS gear) - in Abyssea, granted. Yet outside Abyssea it's done 2.7k (Again 10-15 AGI)(No not with Sneak attack) and btw, it's triple damage.
#9 Dec 20 2011 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Quick Question

OAT = Occ Attack Twice? Not the Occ Attack 2-5 times right?
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#10 Dec 20 2011 at 3:28 PM Rating: Good
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Stovetop wrote:
Quick Question

OAT = Occ Attack Twice? Not the Occ Attack 2-5 times right?

Correct.

However, I believe the current analysis is that Ryunohige obliterates all the other options. Stuff's changed since last year.
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#11 Dec 20 2011 at 4:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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haha how times have changed. The updates have been very kind to ryunohige. Its rather amusing to see me being 'unimpressed' with ryu just a year ago. I have since finished that empy dagger and started a Ryunohige. Should finish it in about 2 weeks xD

The updates have made Ryu a friggin monster. The aftermath multi attack effect now lasts for THREE minutes. It is no longer ~50% DA at 300TP, but 40% DA and 20% triple. Also Drakesbane recieves a 15% damage boost with the lv 90 version.

So now you have an aftermath that lasts a looooong time (game wise anway), now gives the equivalent of 80% more attacks (40% DA, 20% TA) that ALSO procs on WS, not just TP unlike the double damage procs on gugnir or the double damage aftermath on rhongo, and has the most powerful drakes possible (15% drakes boost). This thing is redonculous now.

Cant wait to finish it ^_^
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#12 Dec 21 2011 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Ryu does sound good. But I dont think it is possible to get for me in the near future. I dont have any of the ToAT done really or the time sink to put into it.

I think I will focus on the OAT over the Stingray+2 personally.
#13 Dec 24 2011 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wholeheartedly endorse that choice. A while back i made the same decision. A relic/Mythic was way outta my reach, so I completed the OAT lance and still use it to this day. It is easily the strongest non-relic/empy/mythic lance in the game and who doesnt like to spit out stupid amounts of WS :P

The low base damage but high WS frequency worked out for drakes because the high str mods made weapon damage a smaller part of your total WS damage. Stardiver takes that to a new level with 100% str mod. With 'perfect' gear anyway, stardiver should beat drakes for the low damage OAT lance since the huge mods make stardiver less impacted by the OAT low damage compared to drakes. That was a nice little gift to us.

I just hate that ill be finishing mythic probably within days of getting 5/5 stardiver :S I wont get to use it in all its glory on the OAT lance and be drakes4lyfe with Ryu :P

But, theres always dat swaps! :]
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