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#1 Mar 15 2011 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Atm i am using VV/DL/RR(For the Crts when Aftermath is on. Average from 900-1200 on Crts) just wanna know what other combo's ppl are using. Average from around (2500 to 4500 WS) in abyssea. Dont know if there is a better Combo

The Average WS damage is on higher End defense mobs, Such as Bukhis, Rani Etc.

Just keep hearing ppl do 7 to 9k damage on mobs, Also heard about ppl stacking TA Atma's tried it, but not really impressed with it. See like what 1 out of 6 WS spike maybe if that. Overall WS seem pretty weak vs. the atmas i use now, so any information will help
Also i sub /war and eat Red curry only.


My Gear is:
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Weapon:(85)Masamune
Head: Varangian Helm
Neck: Light gorget
Ear: Brutal earring/Aesir Ear Pendant
Body: Byrnie +1
Hands: Heafoc Mitts
Ring: Pyrosoul ring/Rajas ring
Back: Atheling Mantle
Waist: Light belt
Legs: Unkai Haidate+2
Feet: Unkai Sune-Ate+2
Ammo: Thew bomblet






Edited, Mar 15th 2011 10:32pm by Javon

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 5:09pm by Javon
#2 Mar 16 2011 at 3:32 AM Rating: Good
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I think RR/Apoc are a must (if you use RR for melee dmg, Apoc will be just as nice - ws frequency/dmg and melee dmg).

The 3rd is tricky. Have you tried SA or SB or the +20% ws dmg one?
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#3 Mar 16 2011 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
Back when I was using my Sam primarily in Abyssea (my Ukonvasara War has taken over as far as my melee job of choice), I often used Voracious Violet, Stout Arm, and Smiting Blow. Voracious Violet and Stout Arm are obvious as far as what they have to offer, and Smiting Blow I used because of the TP bonus it gives. This was for a Hiradennotachi +2 though, not a Masamune, so I was setting atmas specifically for WS damage and not to take advantage of the aftermath any (something like Razed Ruin would be good for a Masa user cause the boost to crit rate and crit damage alongside of the aftermath would result in a good number of strong double damage crits). I didn't get high WS spikes like I saw with Apoc or A&O in place of Smiting Blow, but I found my Fudos to be more consistent with Smiting Blow.

Edited, Mar 16th 2011 11:24am by Vlorsutes
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#4 Mar 16 2011 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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i was using DL for the double attack kinda made sense at the time to go with a double attack build since i was subing war, and i guess VV serves no purpose Now that i have a 5hit build, And using Apoc prolly would be better then using VV since we do get enough Str from the enhancements in abyysea Not counting WS gear and food So i can understand why to use Apoc, But ill try to play around with the 3rd atma to see what works best i know the first 2 Atmas makes sense to use so ill stick with those which is RR/Apoc 3rd ill play around with SA SB and the WS+20%, was just worried about the attack since the WS is alot like kaiten but i just notice that my WS damage outside abyssea is really good average around 2 to 3k outside will try it out when the server is back up thx for the info
#5 Mar 17 2011 at 3:37 AM Rating: Good
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Javon wrote:
Atm i am using VV/DL/RR(For the Crts when Aftermath is on. Average from 900-1200 on Crts) just wanna know what other combo's ppl are using. Average from around (2500 to 4500 WS) in abyssea. Dont know if there is a better Combo

The Average WS damage is on higher End defense mobs, Such as Bukhis, Rani Etc.

Is that number from a parse? Im very sceptical of those numbers as it seems very exaggerated when talking about higher end defense mobs. Average of 2500, maybe even 3k on the lower high def mobs maybe, but 4500 is pushing it for an average even for fudo, thats Victory smite/Ukko realm of averages. Thats not to say that the ws cant spike up, but thats all it is, spikes not averages.

You can drop DL for Apoc atma. DL = demonic lash right? If so its only 30 attack + 5% DA so its really a minimal buff at best. Even with a 5hit build, keeping VV on still helps you as with all the DA/TA you will have the regain depending on your haste buffs will push you to a psuedo 4 round build probably. Its also raising your base ws damage by 25-26 points. Thats about 11-10% increase in ws damage not to meantion the 37-38attack/5%DA it also has for ws damage.

Some good combos for me have been Apoc/VV/RR and Apoc/RR/SB. 2nd one being situational.

Ws build looks pretty solid, you can rep the aesir ear with the centaurus one(10att) and/or work for the WotG earring(25%tp bonus) if/when you can. Any other upgrades are pretty minimal like back/belt. Although Twilight mail can pull its own weight, even when attack isnt capped so you might want to pick that up and swap in when appropriote.

Hope that helps~
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#6 Mar 17 2011 at 8:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah 2500 avg is very high, 4500 is straight BS. I have the same WS gear but 90masa and don't hit those numbers on high def mobs. I alway use Rcurry aswell. RR/VV/apoc will be best 90% of the time. Switch RR for SB is you are zerging or Not full time TPing a mob.
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