which AF+1Follow

Domaru +1 isn't better than hauby so many consider it a waste to upgrade.

Usu legs are better than haidate +1, so I wouldn't bother if you're getting your 25 piece soon.

You could consider the hands or head though; kote +1 are good for penta and kabuto +1 could save you some inventory if you don't have a gnadbhod's helm.

upgrade order should be

head-> legs-> hands -> why bother

Depending on your STP set up, Legs might be an important piece for WS if it'll keep your 6hit without sacrificing STR anywhere else (like having to use Hachiman Sune-Ate). It's the difference between 1 STR vs. 5 attack (if comparing Usu/Hachi vs. AF +1/Rutters)



What's so good about the helm? Looks like a sidegrade to Wyvern helm and a downgrade from Shura/Gnad.


Edited, Dec 5th 2009 1:33am by Dudester

With hands and head already upgraded + Byakko's for tp and Shura for WS, is there a place for legs +1?

AF+1 Head: STR+5 WS Piece, saves Inventory by repalcing replacing Wyvern Helm. Not better then Shura Zunari Kabuto (STR+5, ACC+5) or Gnadbhod's Helm (STR+6, DEX+4, ATT+5 Slow+5%). Additional Effect: Fugly

AF+1 Body: Close to, but not as good as Hauby. Could be considered a tanking Body Piece with the VIT and the TP effect when taking DMG (Which is not the same as the Normal AF btw). Better off using Askar for a Tanking peice imo.

AF+1 Hands: Less STR then Pallas/Alky's, but Good alternative for Penta/Rana. If you don't need the extra 3 acc from these though, O.Kote's are better. lol Rice Balls

AF+1 Legs: STR+5 WS Piece, Not as good as Usukane Hizayoroi(STR+5, DEX+5, ATT+10, Haste+3), or Shura Haidate(STR+5, Acc+7). sTP can be used for 6hit without sacrificing STR as stated earlier. I'm using this, but obviously would upgrade to shura/usu if i ever get a chance to do sky or salvage.

AF+1 Feet: Um... Hmmm... Yeah i got nothing i can think of i'd use these for. Maybe the attack could be used for Penta/Rana... but meh... not worth it imho.

Upgrade Order
1. Legs
2. Hands
3. Head

I'd only say upgrade body/feet if you want to get the complete set.

Currently there isn't a piece of Myochin +1 that's worth upgrading, seeing how easy better items are to get. Legs at least give you the best excuse: the only 2 other +5 STR pants are rare/ex (different then head), and it serves as additional sTP for WS (if at all needed)

Domaru +1 might be decent... I don't have /DNC experience, but if rolling it with DMG reduction gear instead of evasion is viable, tossing Domaru +1 to bump the TP gain may give some extra safety. I believe this trade has been discussed loooong ago, so someone here may be able to say whether it's worthy or not.

AF+1 helm is inferior to Shura for YGK because you can DA, which granted 5 acc on a 7~17% DA isn't going to make a big difference, but it is definitely a downgrade just for the sake of inventory.

Legs are really the only situationally useful piece in the +1 set since you may or may not need the stp from them for your build, usu will provide better damage for at least Y/K with attack. Gloves are alright for penta, but bando/o. are essentially comparable and much more an inventory saver than the AF+1 hat would be. You should be striving for better than wyvern helm, so eventually AF+1 hat would be as useful as NQ AF hat. Feet are a downgrade to the NQ AF imo. Body would be hilarious to see, but hachi domaru is better to WS in and haub is better to TP in, and askar is better to tank in so it really has no place.

like asking why hauby is useful, other than just having you do more damage.

ops double >< sorry

Edited, Dec 16th 2009 6:02am by sbrubles

I said Shura was better than AF+1, which also makes it better than Wyvern Helm.
NQ Wyvern helm is basically the same thing as AF+1 hat (though -1 inventory is a big boost to some), however, I also said you should want better than a wyvern helm. Not that AF+1 hat was better than Wyvern, but that you should try to get something better than both.

Things better than Wyvern Helm
Shura
Wyvern Helm +1
Shura +1
Gnadbhod's Helm
MKD hat
Maat's