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#1 Nov 02 2009 at 5:34 AM Rating: Default
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I tried finding a similar thread to this but after gazillion hours of going back and forth through the forums, I just gave up. So what are the major differences/advantages between these two builds?
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#2 Nov 02 2009 at 5:59 AM Rating: Decent
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mix/match allows for more haste. Usu has slightly higher hitrate. Mix /match is better for general DD purposes (and mix/match ditch the haub, toss in usu body then trade pole strap for sword strap). Usu good for something you can actually evade. Full usu great for polearm build.
#3 Nov 02 2009 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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usu gets like 2? more acc vs 1? more haste for mix, full usu has (much) more +evade, full usu is harder to get, in high buff situation 1 haste is more valuable, the acc is generally less valuable due to zanshin, etcetc.



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#4 Nov 02 2009 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
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Don't ppl make competitive 5-hit builds out of Usu Haramaki / Sune-Ate + Rose strap + white tathlum + Hachi hands?

I just use Rose Strap + White Tathlum to be able to use an additional 3% Haste, I reckon i'd glady sacrifice that for another hit less. Never gonna get Salvage armors unless I get fired from my job though.

EDIT: Err forget that, to many little sacrifices have to be made inc STR on WS. Speedy 6-HIT + Full STR WS's FTW!

Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 12:52am by Sandmasterr
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#5 Nov 03 2009 at 1:31 AM Rating: Good
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Sandmasterr wrote:

I just use Rose Strap + White Tathlum to be able to use an additional 3% Haste, I reckon i'd glady sacrifice that for another hit less. Never gonna get Salvage armors unless I get fired from my job though.


I'd honestly save yourself the 3mil and sell the White Tathlum to pick up an Ecphoria Ring. I was thinking of this set-up too, but 3mil for the 1acc I gain by Toreador's and White tathlum vs Ecphoria and Tiphia Sting was a big no thanks. If I didn't use Toreador's on MNK and NIN, I'd have sold that too.

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usu gets like 2? more acc vs 1? more haste for mix


Assuming the OP was thinking of NQ Dusk Gloves, yeah it's 4acc and 1% less Haste for full Usukane.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 2:53am by Dudester
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#6 Nov 03 2009 at 3:35 AM Rating: Good
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I'd honestly save yourself the 3mil and sell the White Tathlum to pick up an Ecphoria Ring. I was thinking of this set-up too, but 3mil for the 1acc I gain by Toreador's and White tathlum vs Ecphoria and Tiphia Sting was a big no thanks. If I didn't use Toreador's on MNK and NIN, I'd have sold that too.


I like the way the White Tathlum looks though, and I don't need the gil atm. i got everything i want except for Dusk+1, Speed belt, Hachiryu Haidate - all of which are things that are too expensive for me.

Black Tathlum is around 8M, so I could sell White for Black, but the gain/gil is pretty similar, and then I'd be penniless, or just swap it for a Cuchulains.

I would prob consider selling it if I finally became serious about COR, thats 73 atm, but my love for the game is lowering a lot and its getting harder and harder to motivate myself.

I've gone from playing 10hours/day/7per week+ when i started to maybe 5hours 1-2days a week. Can anyone recommend a game for PC or 360 thats as addictive as when you took your first job to 75 on ffxi? Roll on FFXIV.

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I've gone from playing 10hours/day/7per week+ when i started to maybe 5hours 1-2days a week. Can anyone recommend a game for PC or 360 thats as addictive as when you took your first job to 75 on ffxi? Roll on FFXIV.


This one seems pretty promising and it's out later today, unless you specifically meant another MMO. Haven't pre-ordered it like I meant to yet though, Demon's Souls is taking me much much longer to play through than I thought it would. @_@

I don't know if I'll go the full Usukane route on SAM if my final piece ever drops, it'd get me a few ACC points over my current setup but with a loss of 2% haste (NQ dusk and Turban). Of course, there's always the 'carry both, swap with changing ACC rate' option. Depends on what I'd be fighting and if I ever HQ the Dusk Gloves, I guess.

Edited, Nov 3rd 2009 6:16am by Halvhir
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#8 Nov 03 2009 at 5:32 AM Rating: Good
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loss of 2% haste (NQ dusk and Turban).
between zanshin and hasso you're probably going to be a bit hard pressed to find a situation where the mixed set isn't better,but not by a lot so w/e.
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#9 Nov 03 2009 at 10:37 AM Rating: Default
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mix/match allows for more haste. Usu has slightly higher hitrate. Mix /match is better for general DD purposes (and mix/match ditch the haub, toss in usu body then trade pole strap for sword strap). Usu good for something you can actually evade. Full usu great for polearm build.
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TP set (6hit)
Main-Soboro/Hagun
Sub- Sword Strap
Range- LtngBow+1 (If don't have ammo, or going for DEX merit build.)
Ammo- Black Tathlum
Head- Ace's Helm/ Askar Helm (DEX)
Neck- Justice Torque
Earrings- Brutal/Wyvern Earring-Bushinomimi
Body-Usu Body
Hands-Dusk Golves +1/Askar Hands (DEX)
Rings-Raja's Ring- Torenador/Mar's(If you can find/afford 40M+)/Thunder Ring (DEX)
Back-Cerby+1~Cuchulian's Mantle (DEX)
Waist-Velocity Belt
Legs-Byakko's Haidate (DEX+ wtf is there else to wear?)
Feet-Usukane Sune-Ate

For birds and simular DEX cap mobs (118)I usually toss on DEX build. Learned from playing on DRG that capped DEX+ multihit weapons are supersex. -1.3Haste but, meh, I get off better from 25% crits.
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#10 Nov 04 2009 at 3:45 AM Rating: Good
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Mar's(If you can find/afford 40M+


Try 80-100M
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