Haste SambaFollow

So, made a merit pty last night, and thought i'd give DNC a go. I usually just go for speed, so a BRD & 2xMarch is a necessity for me. A 2nd BRD, or a COR is a luxury and obviously grab one if I can.

Last night, i had a BRD, COR, DNC support eating carbonara.

Usual Delay in meripo's this last week has been

450 * (1- 0.55) = 202.5 (3.375 secs per att round)

and

450 * (1 - 0.65) = 157.5 (2.625 secs per att round)

Depending on How long I can keep Hasso up before I hit low HP.



The DNC, and his 10% haste Samba, brought my delay down to 112.5 (1.875 secs per att round) giving a boost to my DoT of 40%., or a speed increase of 40%, however you want to look at it.

The speed increase when those orange dots start flying everywhere is so unbelievably visible, the DoT from Hagun was amazing. Gaining enough TP to WS from swinging the Hagun every 7.5 - 9.4secs was just too good. The WAR and me could have kept the chain's going just from swinging our weapons as each hit from our weapons took ~3% of mobs HP off.

In any case, im sure many off you have BRD + DNC support now, if not then its well worth trying. I used to just want a BRD, then i'd make a meripo, but now, I want a BRD + DNC.

A Soboro /DRG setup instead of Hagun /War would actually hit the 80% haste cap like this. The addition of the 5% Haste earring would be worth a staggering 20% speed increase. I can't imagine what that would be like, but im thinking im gonna try it soon.

EDIT: I was just thinking also, im pretty sure Hagun /DRG would out perform Hagun /War in this setup. A 20% DoT boost earring, 6% Dot boost from acc trait and the extra tp & ws's from jumps has to beat 10% DA, zerk, 10att bonus JT & warcry.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 12:41pm by Sandmasterr

now if I could only find a DNC above lv37...

As DNC I tell people to go all out and not worry about being defensive since DNC curing power is just that damned good. (Yes, I understand we aren't AS GOOD as a WHM when it comes to curing multiple targets.)

Yeah, being able to keep Hasso up as long as possilble is so important in helping you play as aggresively as you can.

On top of providing an ITG haste buff, the cure power and extra DoT is a blessing too.

Make sure the other DD(s) is a similar lvl / gear to you, because u obviously want hate to be 50/50. It wouldn't take much (lack of haste gearz?) to push it so u end up with hate 80-90% of the time taking all fun out of it.

Just make sure the DNC has 5/5 HS, the BRD has march+2 instrument (i've had one w/o and bought them the cheaper instrument of the 2 AH ones), other DD (or other 2 DD) are equally geared, and u got a pretty sweet meripo.

I merited MNK when everyone wanted War's, mnk's and nin's before the 2H update, I never bothered meriting Nin because the Nin merit specific's suck, so getting back to meriting has been fun, and the the way ppl merit has changed (for the better), merit points just fly in.

DNC ftw tho!

My aim for up-comming pty:

RDM/WHM
BRD/NIN
DNC/NIN
COR/RNG
SAM/DRG Hagun or Soboro swinging @ 80% Haste
SAM/DRG Hagun or Soboro swinging @ 80% Haste

MNK's can only reach 70% haste, /SAM 2H's can reach 72-75%. Just one thing standing im my way. DRG=28 :/

Like u mentioned in your post Pahn, Soboro would be that fast, gear changing would really start to become messed up. Hagun would by far be the best weapon for me, as I'm still relatively new to SAM.

Here's a sub question: If you don't want to eat Carbonara's for 6HIT, would wearing Dusk gloves (a 15% DoT Boost going from 77% to 80% Haste) and the extra 0.1-0.2ftp on ws out weigh the loss of 6HIT?

DNC is an underrated support in merit PT :(

If only ppl don't impose their role to be healer, they are amazing.

I have 24% haste on my SAM/DRG and 5/5 haste samba merit on DNC.

But I can't be both :<

it's exactly like staff hundred fists (with hagun at least). soboro more like h2h hundred fists:).

75 DNCs never seek for meripo because no one ever invites them, lol... most people don't understand how good Haste Samba is with double March + Haste spell.

they really don't. as i mentioned in the post i linked, with dual march and haste spell, hasso, and good haste gear, 5/5 merited haste samba adds more damage than inviting another strong DD. 70% to 80% haste is a 50% DoT increase. that isn't just "doing better personally," that's (with 3 non-DNC DDs in party) adding 1.5 party member's worth of damage just by putting up 1 spell. if people understood this, they'd invite DNCs-_-.

Edited, Jun 17th 2009 10:43pm by milich

Just to add a couple more things that i've noticed from going DNC + BRD support:

*@ Bird camp, 3 DD's can full time Hasso. Last 2 pty's have both been @ bird camp, once with a WHM/BLM, other with a RDM/WHM and both were able to keep haste cycles up, dia mob and cure us with the DNC. Many times, you can just use TE (w/o seigan) when the birds ws is due, which is just an added feel good factor when your using your 1 TE to anticipate to block a PF.

*The Bard has to be special, because keeping the mobs comming and buffs up isn't easy.

*At mamool camp, the 2 times i've gone with this setup we've had to use Seigan, but they have been with COR's so only 2 DD.

The last 4 meripo's I've had have all been /DRG using hagun. My only issue, is When using WS. Your swinging so fast @ that haste, when you ws, there is an annoying horribly noticable pause inbetween att rounds. I'm beginning to think whether its worth keeping some of my haste on during WS. Mainly, Wyvern earring, Turban, Haidate. This keeps 15% haste on during ws but losing 13STR during WS.

Losing 25% HAste when TP-ing @ 80%cap to ws is over doubling your current att speed for that round.

I have a well geared, full merit Dancer awaiting invite on Midgardsormr! I am CONSTANTLY seeking during Campaign, crafting - etc.

DNC is my favorite job but eveeeryone knows I have BRD as well - makes it impossible. Heck even my LS makes me BRD despite other members having BRD as well. :l

People just don't realize the potential DNC can bring into a party. Haste Samba is awesome - and DNC can DD in their own right as well - on top of being able to drop off emergency 650-700hp Waltzes.

Gogogo!



ps.


Dia3 + Box Step = win.

You can attack during the jump animation, the actual added JA delay is less than 1.5s so you're still coming out ahead, particularly with jump's VIT mod and high jump's -enm.

Could always dat swap the animation to a shorter one. The delay would be the same, but the visual would go by faster, if that'd help you at all.

I've heard SpellCast is compatible with weaponskills. If you used it only for the beforespell/afterspell triggers to swap gear that might fill exactly what you're asking for.

Edit to clarify: it might mitigate that slight delay in equipment swaps that causes you to get an attack round in while wearing your WS gear.

Edited, Dec 2nd 2009 5:52pm by Ranzera

w/ GK pretty much always, for polearm ~3-4merits depending on how well the SAM is geared.

This is true, combined with additional cures means DNC is almost always better.

For 2H job's wielding their main weapon /SAM, 5/5HS & DNC's DD will always be better than double Minuet from the 2nd BRD.

For DoT jobs (like DNC, MNK, NIN, THF) the att from double minuet is a lot more potent (for a couple of reasons) and those jobs can also not use hasso, so it'd need some math to certify whether a 2nd BRD or a merited DNC is better for those jobs on paper, but i'm pretty sure the 10% Haste & extra DD would win.

In an 'intense' meripo, a 2nd BRD doing his job properly will also add additional pulling power.

When you have 2-3pimp DD's hasted to the max, the 1 BRD has the toughest job of all. The perfect pty would probably have the COR assist the BRD pulling (especially as most COR's don't manage to master the DD side of their job). For a good DDcor, it would depend on whether the pty would benefit more from the sometimes needed pulling assistance, or whether the BRD is a god and can manage on his own.

Straight up, no matter what job (melee smns possibly excluded), even if you're using a 1-handed weapon and eating sushi, even if you can make full use of ~+120 attack from double Minuet because the mobs aren't getting debuffed by the mage, even if the dnc sucks and can only contribute enough damage to do 10% party share in the parse, as long as they use Box Step on every mob and have fully merited Haste Samba, it's impossible -not- to be better off with the dnc than with a second brd when you already have brd+cor. Heck, even 2 merits in Haste Samba (7% total) is enough to win, and 6% would likely win with 2-handers using Hasso.

i've certainly been in merit parties where every role has struggled to keep up. just saying that with the right gear, the decision-making as a BRD puller gets cut down dramatically; no more timing really, just fish, run, fish, sleep several mobs if they're up, etc. it's as routine as melee, gear swap, WS, repeat. without big mob WS danger and fast kills, i'm sure healing is just as easy, but in other places it would at least require you to pay attention enough to heal up a melee who doesn't get shadows up after a big firespit or whatever.