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#1 Jun 14 2009 at 3:28 PM Rating: Default
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Hey,
just asking for a little advice on my gear and asking for ratings of it...
Ive kinda hit a dead end for what to get thats not stupidly expensive or hard to get aha.

Heres my gear..:
Weapons
Hagun, Soboro Sukehiro, Ushikirimaru, windslicer, Engetsuto
Pole Grip, Mythril grip+1
Shieto bow
Tiphia sting, Attar sachet

Main Body pieces
Walahra turban, Shura Zunari Kabuto, Optical hat, Myochin Kabuto
Nuevi coselete, Kirin Osode, Shura Togi, Shinimusha hara-ate
Dusk gloves, Myochin gloves+1, Saotame kote, Ochoidos kote, seiryus kote
Byakkos haidate, Shura Haidate, Saotame Haidate
Fuma sune-ate, Saotame Sune-ate, Hachiman sune-ate

Misc pieces
Chivalrous chain, snow gorget, diabolos's torque
Brutal earing, Bushinomimi, ethreal earring, beaters earring
Rajas ring, snipers ring, flame ring, behemoth ringx2
Foragers mantle, Amemet mantle+1, Boxers mantle,
Potent belt, swift belt, warwolf belt

As you see its not all just for one sub, i have my polearm, archery and great katana capped, and the subs are: WAR, NIN, DNC, THF, DRG, RNG.

I have 5/5 STR, 8/8Great katana, 5/5Overwhelm, 5/5Meditate, 4/4Critical hit and working towards my store TP,
i also have some in other merits which are not relevent to my damage ie. Shikikyoyo

The gear that i know i am going to try and get and with luck get is the following(some of this gear will take a while. /cry):
Justice torque
Usukane Feet
Askar body
Askar head
Peacock charm
Dusk gloves+1
Speed belt
Alky bracelets
Tomoe

Any ideas on how i can improve on my max damage through 'obtainable' gear?

Thanks :)

#2 Jun 14 2009 at 4:18 PM Rating: Default
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The nuevo coselete btw is with ACC+10 and Double attack+2%
i did this for the reason for the mix of a askar and hauby.

I always liked my hauby and the acc on it.
But i also liked the Askars double attack+2%

but to be honest i dont see much of a difference in attack+12 on the askar, especially being SAM its all about hitting hard with TPs and getting the TP.

So i thought if i added the ACC it would add to my overall TP gain(wont miss as much) and the double attack for the same reason but as you see i get the ACC bonus instead of attack.
I weapon skill in the kirins osode to optimise my damage on weaponskill.
#3 Jun 14 2009 at 4:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hauby?
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#4 Jun 14 2009 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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1) use haub instead of NC (acc/DA is not as good, acc/sTP can be read other topics for details)
2)pick up pally braclets till you can grab alky
3)Hachiman kote + fumas for tp, alky/pally + rutters for WS
4)PCC should be a priority

The "want to obtain" gear list you have sounds like a good goal, look at sigs for gear combinations. General "gear ratings" are in stickies.
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#5 Jun 15 2009 at 4:16 AM Rating: Default
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All right,
Well im on my way to working towards my alky, i have something like 500k so it shouldnt be to long, just spent a load on some PLD stuff lol.
And after i have this my PCC will become my focus.

After i obtain the askar body i'll do some thinking about the NC and look into how stp and acc work etc.

Then possibly, if i like, go for the hauby+1 but that might be a while lol.

My average damage at the moment would be about 1200 per weaponskill (not counting sekk coz of the thing where it does not stack with Tp bonus etc) but i want to try to push this higher, to at least 1300-1400.
Obviously i do some wierd damage every now and then which will exceed this, (1600-2000) but i guess that must be a critical hit?

Thanks anyway for the help, any more suggestions anyone?
#6 Jun 15 2009 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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After i obtain the askar body
You'll not wear it for anything merit level or above >_>b
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My average damage at the moment would be about 1200 per weaponskill (not counting sekk coz of the thing where it does not stack with Tp bonus etc) but i want to try to push this higher, to at least 1300-1400.
You're pretty close to the point where it just can't go any higher, just glancing at gear again I think the only "big" WS upgrade you have left is Hachiryu Haidate (flame/light gorget for kasha too I guess). At the point you're at the big thing dmg push is finding the appropriate haste/acc combination for what you're fighting to maximize the # of WS you can get off.
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Obviously i do some wierd damage every now and then which will exceed this, (1600-2000) but i guess that must be a critical hit?
YGK can't crit, those are DAs
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#7 Jun 15 2009 at 7:23 AM Rating: Decent
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ohh i see, that might be an okay thing to get also...

i thought it would have been critical, ahh well double attack just as good :D

thanks :D
#8 Jun 15 2009 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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The fSTR bonus from STR caps around 135-140 (random guess, lower for soboro) for merit mobs, after that, the only benefit you get from it is the WSC.

Try to aim your total STR NOT on the bolded totals, those are the numbers where the additional STR does'nt do anything (chances are it won't do anything on any mob you fight of any level. If you do fight something with high VIT, then thres only a ~25% chance that 1 STR will raise the dmg via fSTR, it definately does'nt do anything for WSC (the 75% STR mod)

130 = 80WSC
131 = 81WSC
132 = 82WSC
133 = 82WSC
134 = 83WSC
135 = 84WSC
136 = 84WSC
137 = 85WSC
138 = 85WSC
139 = 86WSC
140 = 87WSC
141 = 87WSC
142 = 88WSC
143 = 89WSC
144 = 89WSC
145 = 90WSC
146 = 90WSC
147 = 91WSC
148 = 92WSC
149 = 92WSC
150 = 93WSC
151 = 93WSC
152 = 94WSC
153 = 95WSC
154 = 95WSC
155 = 96WSC
156 = 97WSC
157 = 97WSC
158 = 98WSC
159 = 98WSC
160 = 99WSC


If anything, anyone thinking of making a 1STR upgrade (maybe ruby to flame), check the new total does'nt hit a bolded number, as the upgrade won't be worth it.
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#9 Jun 15 2009 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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The fSTR bonus from STR caps around 135-140 (random guess, lower for soboro) for merit mobs, after that, the only benefit you get from it is the WSC.
V Colibri:
111 for soboro
127 for Hagun
131 for Onimaru Ushikiri

add 10 STR for most mamool (18 for NINs)

Really though, if you're tping in that much STR there is probably something wrong already.
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If anything, anyone thinking of making a 1STR upgrade (maybe ruby to flame), check the new total does'nt hit a bolded number, as the upgrade won't be worth it.
While this is true, if you can make two upgrades it suddenly becomes well worth it again, so there usually isn't reason "not" to upgrade as much as you can even if you don't get immediate benefit. There isn't anything better than flame to put in that slot anyways.

note on DA: if you can go up 1WSC it will do slightly more for your avg dmg than adding 1%DA, which means that say Hachiman domaru will usually be better than Askar or +DA NC for WS (since 8STR raises your WSC by 2 more than 5STR most of the time), and Osode is the best WS body hands down.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 3:02pm by shintasama
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#10 Jun 15 2009 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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shintasama wrote:
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The fSTR bonus from STR caps around 135-140 (random guess, lower for soboro) for merit mobs, after that, the only benefit you get from it is the WSC.
V Colibri:
111 for soboro
127 for Hagun
131 for Onimaru


onimaru, like all the latent weapons, uses the pre-latent number to determine weapon rank, so its fSTR cap is the same as hagun's. **** like gondo and destroyers uses the latent active damage, however.
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#11 Jun 15 2009 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah okay, well my str doesnt land on a bolded number in total.
Im an ELV female, with 5 STR merits bringing my base STR to 80, and with my weaponskill gear i get around 139 STR.

Im not really sure how you worked out the maths XD.
Any one tell me if what i ahve is good? 139 STR(in total) with the hagun.
The only DA pieces that i weaponskill in it the brutal earring and polegrip- if thats any good.

Thanks :)
#12 Jun 15 2009 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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Im not really sure how you worked out the maths XD.
The "WSC" mod for YGK is floor(.83*floor(.75*yourSTR)), where "floor" means "round down to nearest 'ones'" place.

aka if you have 139 STR, your WSC is:
floor(.83*floor(.75*139))
floor(.83*floor(104.25))
floor(.83*104)
floor(86.32)
WSC= 86

What Sand was pointing out is that because of the rounded down parts of the equation, raising your STR by 1 doesn't always increase your WSC and thus doesn't always effect your WS dmg vs most things. If you can raise STR by >=2 though, (either >=+2 in one slot or >=+1 in two slots), you'll always raise your dmg though.

btw: WS dmg is calculated: (weaponDMG + fSTR + WSC)*fTP*pDIF

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The only DA pieces that I weaponskill in it the brutal earring and polegrip- if thats any good.
Brutal and pole grip are best in slot when using Hagun, macro Brutal for WS with soboro and use mithril+1 or Plat+1 grip. I used to recommend pole grip, and it's not bad, but Mithril+1 appears to be a little better.

Edited, Jun 15th 2009 6:32pm by shintasama
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#13 Jun 15 2009 at 4:29 PM Rating: Decent
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ohhh i see i get it now lol.
hmm, one last thing that i need to understand about the maths,
what does pDIF stand for?
I get the WSC, fSTR, fDMG.
lol

thank youuuu!
#14 Jun 15 2009 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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pDIF is an unnecessarily complex multiplier that basically compares your atk to the monster's defense. For almost everything you fight on SAM though, we don't have to worry about it during WS because we'll have enough support to cap it or our hidden Gekko/Kasha/Yuki buffs will cap it out. (note: Gekko has the greatest buff, followed by Kasha followed by Yuki. On mid-lower level mobs it doesn't matter, but for HNM and the like, try to use Gekko over the other two.)
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