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#1 Sep 10 2010 at 11:01 PM Rating: Good
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Okay, well I for one was definitely expecting to get another trait of Dual Wield at 85 in this update, since it would fit the pattern.

I just dinged 85 today, and when I was at 80, I checked my TP return after 10 hits, and then I did again at 85 and it appeared to be the same, indicating delay hadn't been reduced. Can anyone else who's gotten to 85 try it out and confirm one way or another? I was quite disappointed that my test indicated we didn't get another tier at 85, but there might have been a fault in my tests, so I was hoping to compare with other NINs.
#2 Sep 11 2010 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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Haven't had a chance to test this. But let me tell you, with the new AF3, between the head, set bonus, possible new tier, newly finished OAthrice katana and DMG and WS+10% Katana, I am anxious to see how fast I attack.
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#3 Sep 13 2010 at 6:34 AM Rating: Default
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im assuming not fast katana otherwise with current dw etc you might hit tp floor anyway?
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#4 Sep 13 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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dilthanas wrote:
im assuming not fast katana otherwise with current dw etc you might hit tp floor anyway?


There is no tp floor.

There hasn't beer a tp floor for... 4 years now?
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#5Ranzera, Posted: Sep 13 2010 at 5:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm pretty sure SE explicitly stated they dropped it by .5 to 4.5.
#6 Sep 14 2010 at 7:29 AM Rating: Good
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Ranzera wrote:
TheKhory wrote:
dilthanas wrote:
im assuming not fast katana otherwise with current dw etc you might hit tp floor anyway?


There is no tp floor.

There hasn't beer a tp floor for... 4 years now?


I'm pretty sure SE explicitly stated they dropped it by .5 to 4.5.
Pretty sure you're wrong. I was going to take the time to do all the math for you but:

Get Hornetneedle & Platoon Dagger

Take all your sTP gear off, change to a subjob with no double attack traits, or sTP.

Equip Ninja Chainmail, Suppanomimi & Koga Hakama. You will not have a cummulative DW of 45%, and two x 150 delay weapons.

At this point you can either go test it, or do the math using equations here and take into account Dual Wield functionality found here.

hint - it's roughly 4.1875 per hit, or 4.2.

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 9:47am by Bauran
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#7 Sep 14 2010 at 8:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bauran wrote:


hint - it's roughly 4.1875 per hit, or 4.2.

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 9:47am by Bauran


4.1875 is 4.1, not 4.2

tp is truncated, not rounded.

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#8 Sep 14 2010 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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TheKhory wrote:
Bauran wrote:


hint - it's roughly 4.1875 per hit, or 4.2.

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 9:47am by Bauran


4.1875 is 4.1, not 4.2

tp is truncated, not rounded.

Meh, logged in and played maybe twice in the past year; liable to forget a thing or two.

Point still stands though, no TP floor.
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#9 Sep 14 2010 at 9:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bauran wrote:
TheKhory wrote:
Bauran wrote:


hint - it's roughly 4.1875 per hit, or 4.2.

Edited, Sep 14th 2010 9:47am by Bauran


4.1875 is 4.1, not 4.2

tp is truncated, not rounded.

Meh, logged in and played maybe twice in the past year; liable to forget a thing or two.

Point still stands though, no TP floor.


Yeah, it does. I was just nitpicking because im ****** today.
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#10 Sep 27 2010 at 5:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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I did some testing again today, and I got different results than I did when I first tried before starting this thread - specifically, I'm getting a lower TP return now than I was back then, in the same gear. I've run the equations, and the TP return fits with a 35% delay reduction at level 85, which suggests to me that we do have Dual Wield V. I don't know if there was a flaw in my previous tests, or if SE ninja added it/fixed it in a patch since the release of the version update (I took NIN to 85 and tested before any patches were released), but I've ran the numbers a few times, with different weapons and equipment, and it all suggests a 35% delay reduction.
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