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#1 Mar 23 2010 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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o.O Goodnight senji/perdu? Though the bolded katana sounds like it will be a pain to upgrade to as you need multiple drops from the new T3 VNMs >.<

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578 -> 580
581->585 Mozu (36/227 Dmg +7)
586->587
587->588 Izatu (21/222 Dmg +13 Dly +10 atk twice)
587->591 Izatu (21/222 Dly +20 atk twice)

592->593
594->597 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly - 26 Str +4 Atk +12)
593->599 Kuina (27 /227 Dmg +11 Dly -17 Add effect weakens atk +10)
600->603 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Agi +4 Eva + 12)
600->605 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +11 dly -17 impairs eva +10)
606->609 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Dex +4 Acc +8)
606->611 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +11 Dly -17 lowers acc +10)
612->615 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Chr +4 Mag eva +10)
612->617 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +11 Dmy -17 lowers mag eva +10)
592->618
619->622 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Mab +5 Int +4)
619->624 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +11 Dly -17 lowers Mab +10)
625->628 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Vit +4 PDT -5)
625->630 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +11 Dly -26 Lowers def +10)
631->634 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Mnd +4 MDB +5)
631->636 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +11 Dly - 17 Lowers mag def +10)
637->640 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Mp +30 Macc +10)
637->642 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +11 Dly -17 lowers macc +10)




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#2 Mar 23 2010 at 11:20 AM Rating: Good
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#3 Mar 23 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Default
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I dont think any of these could replace Senji as main hand but there are some **** offhands here... the Double Attack, the Lightning Dex/ACC, and the Fire Str/Attack..

And some **** Eva Katana's too.. some **** stuff here... time to have like 6 Katanas i can use on NIN.
#4 Mar 23 2010 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
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time to have like 6 Katanas i can use on NIN.



>< i already do, and i see so many i want....
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#5 Mar 23 2010 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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Aryden wrote:

>< i already do, and i see so many i want....


^ this lol

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#6 Mar 23 2010 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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can someone please post the best katana option's for dps. mainhand /offhands, and high vs low vs medium delay ! :)
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I am still gonna have a hard time replacing my Senji; however with that said If I had to change I would be looking at a Fire and Lightning katana... str, dex, attack, and accuracy especially if i have Merits in other places and cannot sacrifice them in Katana. But it depends on the proc rate of that Double Attack as well...

so many things to think about.. just get one of everything :)
#8 Mar 23 2010 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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600->603 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Agi +4 Eva + 12)


Does this look like the best EVA-build Katana from the new system? I think I will probably go for this first, seems like a safe bet, and probably not a super difficult upgrade path compared to some of the other stuff. I would appreciate any other info on this one, quest requirements, etc... can't log in for a while. Thanks.
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#9 Mar 23 2010 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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I dont think any of these could replace Senji as main hand


wut?

Mozu (36/227 Dmg +7)
that is 36+7 for a total of 43dmg 227delay. that easily replaces Senji. it is 1 more dmg than a standard relic katana.

also look at these for good main hand:
600->605 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +11 dly -17 impairs eva +10)
606->611 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +11 Dly -17 lowers acc +10)

and these for offhand:
606->609 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Dex +4 Acc +8)
600->603 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly -26 Agi +4 Eva + 12)
594->597 Kuina (27/227 Dmg +9 Dly - 26 Str +4 Atk +12)

they are all either 38dmg 210 delay or 36dmg 201 delay. even some of the offhand katanas could replace senji.
#10 Mar 24 2010 at 7:00 AM Rating: Default
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43Damage 227 delay
+ Occ attacks twice katana is new Main / offhand and cant be beat by anything else on there.
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#11 Mar 24 2010 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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I also believe all of the Kuina are NOT rare, while the Mozu and Isatu are rare.
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#12 Mar 24 2010 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Izatu (21/222 Dmg +13 Dly +10 atk twice)


I'm liking this for a new offhand katana (if it procs enough), need to start working on this and my Kikoku as well XD
#13 Mar 24 2010 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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43Damage 227 delay
+ Occ attacks twice katana is new Main / offhand and cant be beat by anything else on there.


it cant be beat because it doesnt exist.

btw, Mozu doesn't require T3 VNM drops, it only requires killing the 2 different T2 ones a few times.

personally, im not going to jump on getting one of the more sought after katanas and will go for something better used for soloing for now (like the agi / evasion one). reason being, in 3 months the level cap is going to raise. so while now Mozu is the highest dmg katana available, there may be some AHable DMG 41-43 katanas available at level 80, making all that work for nothing. the stat katanas will be good during soloing no matter what though.

almost forgot, you can dual wield the agi/evasion katanas as well. :)

Edited, Mar 24th 2010 1:11pm by iknoweverything
#14 Mar 24 2010 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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Seeing as how 'occasionally attacks 3x and 4x' are in the dats already, what I suspect will happen is that the Mozu will continue to scale up in damage as the moogle augments expand each time the level cap is raised since the offhand ones seem primed to continue being upgraded. I suspect it may very well remain second to relic in pure damage for the extent of ffxi's life.


I also suspect its going to get exceedingly difficult to upgrade them similar to dynamis weapons. If you look at the scale of relic weapon upgrading the first is painless. The second takes a bit of gil. The third and fourth take 100M or more each now. I think a whole lot of people are going to be blown away at what it takes to get a 'occasionally attacks 3x or 4x' katana.
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Doing some quick math I figured the proc rate on occasionally attacks twice would need to be at least 30% or higher to beat Perdu off hand, any lower Perdu hits the same amount of hits in the same amount of time or slightly faster due to the high 232 delay versus 190 delay.

So if it doesn't proc at least 30% it may not be worth it over Perdu, since if they hit roughly the same number of hits over the same time it's basically 2 DMG versus +10 Attack and +5 Accuracy; I'd personally still take Perdu myself.

And duel wielding those evasion katanas is crazy, it's roughly +28 evasion with a respectable DMG and very low delay lol

I might just hold off on doing another katana at the moment, just to see what people get from testing them to see if it's worth it first; and who knows maybe with the future updates they will be able to upgraded further as someone mention, that would be nice.

Edited, Mar 24th 2010 5:09pm by KelgarVlondett
#16 Mar 24 2010 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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I dont think any of these could replace Senji as main hand but there are some **** offhands here... the Double Attack, the Lightning Dex/ACC, and the Fire Str/Attack..

And some **** Eva Katana's too.. some **** stuff here... time to have like 6 Katanas i can use on NIN.


Yeah well I changed my mind on that, been at this about 5hrs and still have about 35/100 left to do for the first tier...
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Yeah well I changed my mind on that, been at this about 5hrs and still have about 35/100 left to do for the first tier...


Better than me, I've gotten about 20 of the required kills on it so far. ******* lizards, and ******* weather ><

Though that +ACC katana will be awfully nice to have (haven't decided yet whether to drop my Fudo or my Perdu in favor of it yet)
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#18 Mar 26 2010 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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I know I'm going after Mozu but I'm debating whether or not the Dex/Acc offhand is better than Perdu.
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#19 Mar 29 2010 at 12:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I am working on the first trial for my kikoku which requires 1500 WS on birds.

Greater colibris don't seem to work however :(

What's the best place to go to for an infinite supply of EP birds?
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Yeah, This lizards during weather thing is not going well... anyone have a secret to the best place to do these guys? Kuftal/Cape Terrigan suck.
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http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Birds ???

Marshe Murre would be what I was after.

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#22 Mar 29 2010 at 7:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Wiki says that scholar's weather thing doesn't work...


Edited, Mar 29th 2010 10:08am by aikena
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#24 Mar 29 2010 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Going for isatu with occ attacks twice. Trials 578,579,580, 586, 587 done. I need 10 ******* Nails and we'll see if it's worth the pain in the ***.
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I did my first evasion katanas first stage in uncapped pso xja. The path I walk has only 4 lizards. I also kill 2 bats and 3 diremites to clear and to have something to do during repop time. 4 on 16 minute pops sucks, but its weather there like 95% of the time.


Its the tower at F-7. There are also 4 'too weaks' right at that entrance, so if you synced to like 55 you could do those 4 without walking the loop over and over. Its not that bad, about 12 hours to finish and dont have to chase weather. Next stage (fungars) gonna suck way worse. Maybe level sync for carpenters landing? I dunno.
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Oh forgot to say I 2 box a rdm which lets me come /war. Poison and stray hits (2 of the lizards are dc-T) would probably make /dnc a safer choice without it. Will be able to level sync off him too. Without that it would make life more daunting on fungars coming up.
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Fungars are easy. Do Brasscaps in Grauberg (S)
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aikena wrote:
Yeah, This lizards during weather thing is not going well... anyone have a secret to the best place to do these guys? Kuftal/Cape Terrigan suck.


Having this same issue, its just absurd, whenever I would go through the zone before there was always weather, now that I actually need it it rarely happens.
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Yeah, This lizards during weather thing is not going well... anyone have a secret to the best place to do these guys? Kuftal/Cape Terrigan suck.

Get to rabao and check weather for Altepa desert. If there is some weather planned for the next 2~3 days, head to the Nussknacker camp in QS caves.

There are 8 DC lizards (one is behind a door, you'll have to pull through), which makes 24 lizzies/hour if you have luck with weather. Didn't find anything better.
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wow lot's of red arrows but I'll post this anyways.

Bat's are couting as birds as of right now~
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#31 Mar 30 2010 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I know I'm going after Mozu but I'm debating whether or not the Dex/Acc offhand is better than Perdu.


Probably is. But the D34 Izatu is probably an even better offhand.
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Verohawke wrote:
I am working on the first trial for my kikoku which requires 1500 WS on birds.

Greater colibris don't seem to work however :(

What's the best place to go to for an infinite supply of EP birds?


That's weird because it's letting me do the part kill 400 birds, and I am using Lesser Colibris to do it I did 100 birds in about 1hr30min
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Yeah, This lizards during weather thing is not going well... anyone have a secret to the best place to do these guys? Kuftal/Cape Terrigan suck.

Get to rabao and check weather for Altepa desert. If there is some weather planned for the next 2~3 days, head to the Nussknacker camp in QS caves.

There are 8 DC lizards (one is behind a door, you'll have to pull through), which makes 24 lizzies/hour if you have luck with weather. Didn't find anything better.


Im looking at the wiki and I dont see any lizards in quicksand caves that would be DC toa lvl 75, let alone EP... o.O
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43Damage 227 delay
+ Occ attacks twice katana is new Main / offhand and cant be beat by anything else on there.


it cant be beat because it doesnt exist.

I think he means Mozu mainhand + Izatu with attacks twice in offhand.
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Get to rabao and check weather for Altepa desert. If there is some weather planned for the next 2~3 days, head to the Nussknacker camp in QS caves.

There are 8 DC lizards (one is behind a door, you'll have to pull through), which makes 24 lizzies/hour if you have luck with weather. Didn't find anything better.
Im looking at the wiki and I dont see any lizards in quicksand caves that would be DC to a lvl 75, let alone EP... o.O

Good call they might be EP, but it doesn't matter as long as they give xp. In fact EP is better: faster kills. ^^
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How would the cheap Isatu compare to offhand?
(the one that doesn't require T3 VNM)

I'm thinking about getting:


Mozu DMG+7/Isatu delay+20 OAT.

do you think that would replace Senj/(Fudo/Unji/Unsho/Perdu)?

Would be nice for WS spam.
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Mozu DMG+7/Isatu delay+20 OAT.

do you think that would replace Senj/(Fudo/Unji/Unsho/Perdu)?


mozu/cheap izatu
227 / 242 = 469 delay
38% dual wield
20% haste
(469*.62)*.80= 232 total delay
5.0 + [(232 - 180) * 6.5 / 270] * {1 + (.01 X 6 store tp)} = 6.6 per hit

15% DA from /war and brutal
40% DA on offhand
100 rounds = 115 main hand hits and 147 off hand hits
(115 + 147) * .925 = 242 total hits at almost capped acc

242 * 6.6 = 1597.2 total tp in 100 rounds
100 rounds @ 232 delay = 6.4 mins
249.5 tp per min


mozu/perdu
227 / 190 = 417 delay
38% dual wield
20% haste
(417*.62)*.80= 206 total delay
5.0 + [(206 - 180) * 6.5 / 270] * {1 + (.01 X 6 store tp)} = 5.9 per hit

15% DA from /war and brutal
100 rounds = 115 main hand hits and 115 off hand hits
(115 + 115) * .95 = 218.5 total hits at capped acc

218 * 5.9 = 1286.2 total tp in 100 rounds
100 rounds @ 206 delay = 5.7 mins
225.6 tp per min

So, the cheap izatu gives about 25 more tp per min, excluding things such as ws delay, outside haste, and magic casting. The question is whether the extra 25 tp per min is worth having a low dmg offhand as well as losing the extra 10 attack. im thinking perdu still comes out ahead.


see below

Edited, Apr 9th 2010 12:18pm by iknoweverything
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What about pre-Mozu?

Just Senj/Isatu.
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Actually your TP per hit is incorrect. If I'm not mistaken it should be something like this.

Mozu/cheap
227 + 242 = 469
469*0.62 = 290
290/2 = 145 delay per hand
5.0 + [(145 - 180) * 1.5 / 180] = 4.7
4.7*1.06 = 4.9 tp per hit

Mozu/Perdu
227 + 190 = 417
417*0.62 = 258
258/2 = 129
5.0 + [(129 - 180) * 1.5 / 180] = 4.5
4.5*1.06 = 4.7 tp per hit

Then going with your hits/100 round calculation you end up with..

Mozu/Isatu
242*4.9 = 1185.8 tp in 100 rounds
1185.8tp/6.4min = 185.2 tp per min

Mozu/Perdu
218*4.7 = 1024.6 tp in 100 rounds
1024.6tp/5.7min = 179.7 tp per min

So 5.5 more tp per min with the Isatu.
Definitely not worth gutting your melee dot for in my opinion.
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What about pre-Mozu?

Just Senj/Isatu.


senju and mozu have the same delay.
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Actually your TP per hit is incorrect. If I'm not mistaken it should be something like this.

Mozu/cheap
227 + 242 = 469
469*0.62 = 290
290/2 = 145 delay per hand
5.0 + [(145 - 180) * 1.5 / 180] = 4.7
4.7*1.06 = 4.9 tp per hit

Mozu/Perdu
227 + 190 = 417
417*0.62 = 258
258/2 = 129
5.0 + [(129 - 180) * 1.5 / 180] = 4.5
4.5*1.06 = 4.7 tp per hit

Then going with your hits/100 round calculation you end up with..

Mozu/Isatu
242*4.9 = 1185.8 tp in 100 rounds
1185.8tp/6.4min = 185.2 tp per min

Mozu/Perdu
218*4.7 = 1024.6 tp in 100 rounds
1024.6tp/5.7min = 179.7 tp per min

So 5.5 more tp per min with the Isatu.
Definitely not worth gutting your melee dot for in my opinion.


yeah this is correct, i forgot to change it back to one hand on the tp calc. i also added haste into the delay used on the tp amount >.>


Edited, Apr 9th 2010 1:02pm by iknoweverything
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I want to know given equal gear's, where combinations of these weapons fall in total dmg:

Mozu : 43/227

Isatu : 34/232 (OAT)

Kuina : 36/201 +4str+12attack, and +4dex+8accuracy

Kuina : 38/210 add/impairs evasion and 38/210 add/impairs defense

fudo : 40/227 or 39/227 +2dex or 39/227 +2str

senjuinrikio : 38/227

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I had recently finished the Isatu 34/232 OAT katana and been testing a bit, the 40% proc rate seems pretty accurate so far and it indeed doesn't stack with DA as stated by others, though when I /WAR with Brutal offhand seems to be at least 50% or slightly better on attacking twice offhand since either OAT or DA can proc but this is just eyeballing it; also with /WAR four hits in a row happens more often too, not frequently but certainly not as rare as before lol.

Though I have to say this is a really nice offhand katana, it's fun to play with and if it can be upgraded even further will be pretty awesome ^..^
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Now on wiki when it says Day/Weather: Fire, does that mean it has to be Firesday with fire weather? Or just fire weather?
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day/weather fire means it needs either fire weather or to be on firesday.
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