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#1 Dec 23 2010 at 7:01 AM Rating: Excellent
I was wondering which takes priority on an attack round. I was pretty sure that double attack will take priority over triple attack but I can't seem to find any information on the subject.
#2 Dec 23 2010 at 10:13 AM Rating: Good
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The generally accepted truth is that DA has higher priority. Nothing 100% confirmed as far as I know, just a fact that's been tossed around for quite a while. Testing DA and TA rates and priorities gets tedious and hard with big sample sizes so I haven't tested it myself and pretty much decided to accept the generally accepted truth.
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#3 Dec 23 2010 at 10:46 AM Rating: Good
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I believe there have been tests on it, and on "Occasionally Attacks x Times" weapons as well, but I think most people would be unable to link you to anything >,<. It's quite possible that whatever tests there were, they weren't sufficient enough to really merit any majority opinions on the subject. But following precedence, d.a. > t.a..
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#4 Dec 23 2010 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
Thank you for the quick replies. I was really hoping that someone was 100% sure how it worked, but I guess I'll have to stop being lazy and go test it out for myself. It's really gonna blow to test though. Assuming 10% triple attack rate (base triple attack rate and merits) and 5% double attack rate (brutal earring), and assuming DA > TA, DA should only block TA every 1/200 swings. A decent sample size would probaly be no less than 1000 instances of it occurring since I would only be looking for a 0.5% variance in TA rate, and that would come out to 200,000 attack rounds. :(. Anyone have any ideas for a good mob to test something like that on? Actually now that I think about it aren't there some walls in Xarcabard [S] that I can beat on forever?

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#5 Dec 26 2010 at 3:35 PM Rating: Excellent
Preliminary test results on testing if DA or TA has priority in an attack round seem to be actually showing that TA takes priority over DA. This is both unexpected and exciting at the same time. Although my sample size is still very small (only 1265 attack rounds), I am currently very optimistic. I'm going to continue testing until I have a sample size of 100,000 attack rounds, at which point I will post my results.
#6 Dec 26 2010 at 7:09 PM Rating: Good
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That would be quite useful to know, as if TA takes precedent over DA, that might affect my dagger choices somewhat.
#7 Dec 26 2010 at 10:46 PM Rating: Decent
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having some thought about this.

If DA > TA, while you are having AF3+2 version...

AF3 Earring + AF3 Belts take priority to Brutal Earring and any DA belt?

AF3+2 is enhancing the DMGx3 on Triple Attack.

Not quick sure about this, but I am thinking to start collecting these Triple Atk+ % gears :x

I just want to find out - Mandau (proc the 2xTimes dmg) with AF3+2 dmg on top = 6xTimes of normal atk?

That would be awesome DoT ^.^

p.s. Did anyone find out our DW JT has any increase on Tier at 90? I tried to look for this kind of information, but I don't see it happened anywhere :x
#8 Dec 27 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
Ok here's some test results. All tests were preformed as a naked THF90/WAR45 single wielding an ash club. Target mob was the Zvahl Fortalice, since it doesn't fight back and I could go afk while testing.

Data:

Total attack rounds= 8625

Total single attack rounds= 7020 (81.39%)

Total double attack rounds= 754 (8.74%)

Total triple attack rounds= 851 (9.87%)


These %'s have been almost exactly the same since my last post at 1265 attack rounds. The data almost exactly reflects what you would expect to see if your hypothesis was TA has higher priority than DA. I would have expected 10% TA rate, 9% DA rate and 81% single attack rate, and I am very close to thoes numbers. I would personally feel comftorable ending the test right there but my data seems to disprove something that the ffxi community thought to be true for 7+ years, so i will continue testing to get a larger sample size.

But as it stands right now I feel completly comftorable making this statement. Triple attack has a higher priority than double attack.

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#10 Dec 30 2010 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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^ Seconded!

It was never really a big enough issue when at worst, you looked at 10% TA trait, 5% DA earring, and MAYBE 1% TA from homam back in yesteryear. These days, there is SOOOO much DA/TA gear and atmas available combined with AF3 trait affecting TA (and i still cross my fingers for DW3 native /war UBERNESS by 99 for another 10% DA) that the order things proc in may very well have applicable value in gear/atma choices.

With so much DA/TA it actually will have significant differennces if one procs before the other and our set AF3 bonus just compounding the issue.

Please sir! Can I have some more (samples)?
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chichicha wrote:
p.s. Did anyone find out our DW JT has any increase on Tier at 90? I tried to look for this kind of information, but I don't see it happened anywhere :x


I tested it myself and sadly, it did not get an upgrade.
#12 Jan 10 2011 at 10:31 PM Rating: Good
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I haven't had a chance to test thf/war this busy holiday season, but elsewhere on this forum (patch-day thread?) someone confirmed (or seemed to) that we get DW2 at 90. There was math there but I didn't check it myself.
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#13 Jan 13 2011 at 10:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Here's how you could test it:
Go to ballista with a War.
Have him use Warrior's Charge.
Aura Steal his War Charge
Use Assassin's Charge
Hit him with one attack round with both buffs up, see if you land a DA or TA.
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#14 Jan 14 2011 at 5:43 PM Rating: Good
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That assumes that AC and WC can both be up at the same time, but yes.
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And knowing SE the order that the buffs overwrite or proc would be different than the traits anyway.
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#16 Jan 17 2011 at 2:08 AM Rating: Good
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Insightful idea tho ^^
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#17 Jan 19 2011 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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If I remember correctly and if things haven't changed since I was last in Ballista, Aura Steal doesn't work there.
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#18 Jan 19 2011 at 12:56 PM Rating: Default
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If I remember correctly and if things haven't changed since I was last in Ballista, Aura Steal doesn't work there.
Does it work on charmed people? Brd+colibri make that easy enough.
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#19 Feb 28 2011 at 3:30 AM Rating: Excellent
Ok here's some more test results. All tests were preformed as a naked THF90/WAR45 single wielding an ash club. Target mob was the Zvahl Fortalice, since it doesn't fight back and I could go afk while testing.



More Data:

Total attack rounds= 12,966

Total single attack rounds= 10,576 (81.57%)

Total double attack rounds= 1123 (8.66%)

Total triple attack rounds= 1267 (9.77%)


Sorry it took so long i'm pretty lazy. Still looks like TA takes priority over DA on an attack round to me. May do more testing at a future date, but don't hold your breath, lol.
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