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#1 Dec 13 2010 at 3:56 PM Rating: Good
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Brought to my attention (thanks thiefkiller) in the achievement thread, +1/2 armlets are not labeled properly with the "Increases 'Trick attack' Damage". I figured I was on top of most things, but i missed this. So a new thread is in order to make sure it gets to anyone else that also missed this rather important change. (i already put it in all my TA macro stuff xD)

Limited test of 20 SA with and without armlets. Tested on Wron mobs as usual. Gear changes were Heca+1 gloves+Jupiter's ring to Raid+1 hands+Airy ring (to maintain the same dex). Only changes in damage stats were str-2 and atk+10 on the raider/airy set. Both of which should have zero effect on these mobs.

Stats were as such:
Str 80+24(22)
Dex 94+72
Kila+2: D43, 12 max Fstr
Crit damage: Trait only (8%)

20 SA without armlets.
High:747
Low: 650
Theoretical cap: 751(BaseD*3.15*1.08)
So far so good

20 SA with armlets
High: 822 831
Low: 698
Theoretical cap: 833 (using +15% dex if like AF+1)

Edit:Did some more (27 now) and hit an 831. I feel quite confident in the 15% dex now

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OBVIOUSLY it enhances SA, and at 1st glance matches up with +15% dex (small sample is small)

I have not checked TA to see if we lucked out and it does both as the typo says TA in english client, SA in japanese client so i cannot personally confirm any changes in TA.

TA enhance or not, this is a welcome error. I much prefer to have a SA piece with this much power than a better TA piece when we already have a decent one. SAWS beware! I love having our best WS hands across the board also be our best SA hands. <3

Edited, Dec 13th 2010 5:10pm by Banalaty

Edited, Dec 13th 2010 5:14pm by Banalaty

Edited, Dec 13th 2010 5:29pm by Banalaty
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#2 Dec 13 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Good to know. Thanks!
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#3 Dec 13 2010 at 11:04 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the test. Yeah, I saw Nynja say that the FR client also says "enhances SA." Someone might want to check if it enhances TA as well. Would be a shame if it was a spelling error on all versions and it enhances both SA and TA, and we just never realized it haha.
This is pretty sweet.
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#4 Dec 16 2010 at 6:22 AM Rating: Good
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Wow, came in here to check if someone had tested them before I conned someone into helping me with the tests. Soon as I read this I ran out and tried a few SAs, and they definitely do boost the damage. Still gonna ask someone to come help me out with TA tests though to check if they enhance both.
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Jayheart wrote:
Does anyone actually have this knife yet? What does "Increase Critical Hit Dammage" do?


Endrew wrote:
i dont have the dagger, but i'm pretty sure it increaes the damage of your critical hits


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Genius!
#5 Dec 16 2010 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Did some minor testing with SA and found that the +2 armlets most likely give a 20% boost to DEX. It was a very small sample size, 11 SAs with and 11 SAs without the armlets (also did switch in and out Antares Harness to make dex totals the same), and further testing would be needed.

Overall I hope this is not an error that the devs are going to be correcting in the emergency update, and that it is in fact a mislabeling.
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Jayheart wrote:
Does anyone actually have this knife yet? What does "Increase Critical Hit Dammage" do?


Endrew wrote:
i dont have the dagger, but i'm pretty sure it increaes the damage of your critical hits


bsphil wrote:
Genius!
#6 Dec 16 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Good
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What numbers did you get and with what weapon damage/stats/ mobs did you test on and how large a sample size? My numbers all fell flatly within the expected returns for a 15% boost. If it is 20% then either one of our calculations measuring the results are wrong, or one of us just got VERY unlucky with our samples (small samples/margin of error issues).

If your numbers vary by any significant margin I can extend my test sample if your numbers give me reason to doubt it.
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#7 Dec 16 2010 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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bump; has anyone had a chance to test if they also boost TA?
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#8 Dec 16 2010 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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Numbers without armlets on the left, with armlets on the right.

698 767
661 838
753 862
730 840
690 801
732 841
737 816
736 835
663 738
661 833
727 776


Equipment:

Aurich dagger
Rapidus Sax
Light Boomerang
Voyager Sallet
Love Torque
Brutal Earring
Ethereal Earring
Antares Harness (without armlets) / Rapparee Harness (with armlets)
Raider's Armlets +2 / Assassin's Armlets
Jupiter's Ring
Rajas Ring
Amemet Mantle +1
Warwolf Belt
Raider's Culottes +2
Hecatomb Leggings

Stat totals:

STR: 87+21 = 108 (29 with Raider's, should have no significance anyway)
DEX: 84+47 = 131

The mobs I tested on were bees in South Gustaberg and I compensated for piercing bonus. It was a very small sample size, so I'm not taking my numbers as 100% accurate, but all numbers, high, mean, median and range, added up to 20%, with the exception of low numbers that landed squarely between 15 and 20. I did have a freakishly low number on the armlets test, which does indicate that some of my numbers were off and not totally reliable.

Also had a chance to test the set bonus, horribly low procrate with only 2 pieces, but I did land a 608 crit on Surveyors in Abyssea - Altepa.

Also, not entirely sure I listed my stats correctly, didn't write them down and I just can't seem to make them add up since I can remember my DEX total being +53 with both AH and RA+2, and not +55 as my list seems to suggest.
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Jayheart wrote:
Does anyone actually have this knife yet? What does "Increase Critical Hit Dammage" do?


Endrew wrote:
i dont have the dagger, but i'm pretty sure it increaes the damage of your critical hits


bsphil wrote:
Genius!
#9 Dec 16 2010 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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I was thinking this item was likely to be the same as the AF+1, I.E. increases the value of your AGI(DEX) by a factor of +15%. But just playing with some numbers for a minute. But after you factor in dagger base damage and fStr, it'll increase your total SA by less than 1.15. You got a 1.2, indicating that if your sample is sufficient, these differ from the AF+1.
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#10 Dec 16 2010 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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I think i have identified the discrepancy. You tested using the +2s. I only have the +1s. Most of the AF pieces I have seen tests for that enhance something, the +2s enhance it MORE even though there is no text change. I have personally tested the Dragoon legs+1 and +2s 'increases critical hit damage'. The +1s only did 5% crit damage boost. The +2s were a (very welcome!) 10% boost.

I am still very confident in my testing of teh +1s being 15%. The numbers are just to close to the expected results and look nothing like yours. I would bet my bottom dollar that the +2s just enhance it more. Perhaps a nice bump to 20% dex. If you are remembering your stats correctly (WRITE STUFF DOWN!) then the 15% just doesnt line up. I will be sure to double check the +2s if i get them in the near future (prob wont though ><).
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#11 Dec 16 2010 at 12:53 PM Rating: Good
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I did intend to ask whether your numbers were from +1 or +2, but it kinda got lost in confusion about my own numbers. I personally never got around to testing the +1 since I got the +2 done so fast, if only the feet were as easy...
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Jayheart wrote:
Does anyone actually have this knife yet? What does "Increase Critical Hit Dammage" do?


Endrew wrote:
i dont have the dagger, but i'm pretty sure it increaes the damage of your critical hits


bsphil wrote:
Genius!
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