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#52 Jul 05 2010 at 1:56 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure I understand why that would affect anything.


I haven't heard of Despoil working on NM's and I haven't been able to despoil anything away from one myself yet either. If NM's are immune to despoil then it wouldn't be possible to use it on dynamis mobs because they're all considered "NM" status. However if Despoil does work on NM's then it may be possible to take stuff like M silver and whatnot. But that would be way too powerful (just think of despoiling relic armor away from standard mobs in dynamis) and you can see why "impossible to gauge" status matters. I think NM's have Despoil immunity; or at least the item part which is all that really matters to me since the debuff is random and too short lived to exploit.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 4:05am by Melphina
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#53 Jul 05 2010 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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<hilarious-scenario> Player uses Despoil. 2 minutes later, "Mob's Treasure Hunter 10 status effect wears off."

The chaos that ensued would be quite hilarious. "DID I SEE YOU STEAL A BRONZEPIECE?! WHAT THE ^&*( THF?! DESPOIL DESPOIL DESPOIL!!"

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#54 Jul 10 2010 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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It is possible to steal singles in dyna and someone told me once that you can steal 100's from the statues but it never worked for me. As far as despoil working on dyna monsters, ive not done dyna to check.
#55 Jul 10 2010 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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If you mean using the JA steal, then yes you can steal singles in dynamis, but not 100's. So far despoil seems to steal squat in dynamis, however.
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#56 Jul 10 2010 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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Mistress Melphina wrote:
I haven't heard of Despoil working


FTFY :P

But seriously, I've tried to ride the timer at every chance to test it out during trials and farming etc...for my eforts I got 1 poison dust from a tonberry, 1 puk egg forma puk and a pot of hunny from a bee. Total. Since the JA was relased.

This is bullsh*t.
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#57 Jul 10 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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If you mean using the JA steal, then yes you can steal singles in dynamis, but not 100's. So far despoil seems to steal squat in dynamis, however.


Yes when i say steal i mean steal and when i say despoil i mean despoil unless im talking about despoils stealing effect. They have different item tables. i wanted to say what i said because as you pointed out its hard to steal single. with maxed out steal gear you can get 2-3 average per run and since despoil seems to not be effected by steal+ gear and seems to have a lower steal rate you might not get any. its very possible there is nothing to despoil in dyna as far as main monsters go. maybe the statues? there is lots of things to test 1st and a lot of thfs have already put despoil as something they dont use since it shares a timer with steal.

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 4:24pm by flowerpot
#58 Jul 10 2010 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't know if anyone else has tried using this much in sea but last night I was able to Despoil Luminion Chips from Aw'Grah and Luminian Tissue from Aw'Euvhi's in The Garden of Ru'Hmet. Maybe all the organs are now Despoilable from their respective families? I'd sure like to land it on a Yovra if so...

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 2:49pm by Leglacent
#59 Jul 10 2010 at 4:31 PM Rating: Good
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So does that mean I can steal kidneys to sell on the black market?

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 7:32pm by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

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#60 Jul 10 2010 at 5:08 PM Rating: Good
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flowerpot wrote:
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If you mean using the JA steal, then yes you can steal singles in dynamis, but not 100's. So far despoil seems to steal squat in dynamis, however.


Yes when i say steal i mean steal and when i say despoil i mean despoil unless im talking about despoils stealing effect. They have different item tables. i wanted to say what i said because as you pointed out its hard to steal single. with maxed out steal gear you can get 2-3 average per run and since despoil seems to not be effected by steal+ gear and seems to have a lower steal rate you might not get any. its very possible there is nothing to despoil in dyna as far as main monsters go. maybe the statues? there is lots of things to test 1st and a lot of thfs have already put despoil as something they dont use since it shares a timer with steal.

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 4:24pm by flowerpot


You can still typically get something within 1-3 runs even with the poorest luck and 0 steal gear using Steal however, with despoil this isn't the case, both with statues and regular dynamis mobs. It also seems to be a lower rate than a not-gear-enhanced on regular mobs as well, so even those of us tracking our % and the items ganked, from what mob, etc are beginning to head back to steal only.

EDIT: Clarification on dynamis mobs.

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 7:10pm by ElvaanTHF
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#61 Jul 10 2010 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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stole a doll shard from the cursed puppets in moon. anyone know if wiki will be adding a column for despoil or should i just post this stuff in the steal slot?

Edited, Jul 10th 2010 8:55pm by flowerpot
#62 Jul 15 2010 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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As opposed to bitching over and over and over about it on this and the feedback forums (that are probably seldom read by anyone actually from SE), I decided to write a (more courteous) version of this feedback on despoil (as well as the state of our steal abilities in general) and send it directly via the official square enix feedback and suggestions form on their web site.

Here is the link to the form.

I encourage every one of you to send your feedback on despoil, (aura)steal, or steal abilities in general etc. to this page. Forgive me if you already have, or already know where to find this link. I'm not terribly bright. I didn't know where it was so it took some digging and I wanted to provide it for those that didn't know how to find it.

At this point all we have is our voice. Often we assume SE hears us and knows what we want/need. Maybe they don't. But I suspect if enough of us ask for something to be done, they will listen.

Past times I'd just say F*ck it and chalk it up to "It would be nice but SE'll never do it." However, they seem to be in the process of adjusting our job. It is my feeling that if there is a time that a change is possible, now is as good a time as there has ever been.

I encourage all of you that are furstrated with this like I am to ask for it (nicely) at this link.

Edited, Jul 15th 2010 7:50pm by ThiefKiller
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#63 Jul 15 2010 at 8:14 PM Rating: Good
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Hmm, there are a lot of us that post here.

I know recently on BG, there was this dude who's g/f broke up with him like 4 years ago and dropped his black belt. Since then he's periodically made a GM call every couple months, talked to SGM's, sent in feedback, always bringing up that he had the BB title and they could verify it by checking his character. Still, they'd do nothing. Well a couple months ago he posted a thread about it and I think all it took was a couple dozen submitted feedback forms, and he had his new black belt within 48 hours. Of course, I suppose there's also the possibility that the NA community team read it on the BG forums and reacted to it that way.

Compared to recovering someone's lost BB, revamping a job is entirely different. But at least there's some evidence that feedback has been acted upon.

However, if people want to use the feedback form to bring about a change in the game, I think it would be better to submit the same exact message from many people, rather than many different messages, each with it's own different idea of how to make adjustments. And I don't think I'd care so much about despoil as I would about other issues, although it does clearly suck.
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#64 Jul 15 2010 at 9:01 PM Rating: Good
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Shamaya wrote:
However, if people want to use the feedback form to bring about a change in the game, I think it would be better to submit the same exact message from many people, rather than many different messages, each with it's own different idea of how to make adjustments.


I was thinking that a bit after I posted this. Think we could pool together a consensus as to what the job needs and then get everyone to send it in?
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#65 Jul 15 2010 at 11:47 PM Rating: Good
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If everyone wants to, sure ;X I've got a couple ideas I suppose ;X. Wouldn't be the first time feedback has been sent in, but would be the first time such feedback was sent in unison.
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#66 Jul 16 2010 at 12:27 AM Rating: Good
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Go for it, the only problem I see are people who think THF's DD is still on par with 2H or those who want to make us the next SAM. I'd participate in any way possible for sure though.
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#67 Jul 16 2010 at 10:17 AM Rating: Default
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Let's us tank and don't waste our evasion merits >.>
I hate to see I got hit with my evasion gears and capped evasion merits...
Hit by too weak mobs ... /sigh
what the @#%^ with evasion bonus, merits and gears?!
I always gave up with myself tanking... Even didn't bother to macro in my Eva gears set...

We were suppose not getting hits with 95% rate!!! -.-
#68 Jul 16 2010 at 11:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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chichicha wrote:
Let's us tank and don't waste our evasion merits >.>
I hate to see I got hit with my evasion gears and capped evasion merits...
Hit by too weak mobs ... /sigh
what the @#%^ with evasion bonus, merits and gears?!
I always gave up with myself tanking... Even didn't bother to macro in my Eva gears set...

We were suppose not getting hits with 95% rate!!! -.-



Except that you'll never see that because the minimum accuracy rating is 20%. The game mechanics work for everything, even monsters. The most you'd ever see is 80% evasion rate, and that's if you were fighting something your level or lower due to level correction factors.

If you compare THF evasion to other classes against the same target, THF really is leaps and bounds ahead. There's just some things were that "leaps and bounds" isn't enough of a difference to matter. Very high level foes being one of those "things".
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#69 Jul 16 2010 at 12:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Just stole an infinity core from a stone in dynamis-windy with despoil, after which the mob immediately died and dropped another. No screen, was playing on 360. Seems like Despoil CAN steal things that steal would not be able to, I've been trying to steal from those bitches since I started dynamis long long ago and this is my first sucessful attempt ever.
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#70 Jul 16 2010 at 12:54 PM Rating: Default
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I'm on board. If we work up something viable I'd be happy to submit it in feedback. Things I see issues with....

1. I never use Perfect Dodge. I think it needs something to make it useful, but maybe thats just me
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2. Despoil is not a usable JA currently. It needs help and that includes putting it on a seperate timer from Steal. By sharing the timer it makes our AS merits less usable. I don't think that should be the case, but that is just my opinion also.

That is all for now. I'll think some more about this though.
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#71 Jul 16 2010 at 2:11 PM Rating: Default
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all perfect dodge needs is the ability to dodge all ranged attacks as well. not every 2hr needs to be OMGINEEDZUBERDMGNOWZ!
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#72 Jul 17 2010 at 4:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Buront wrote:
all perfect dodge needs is the ability to dodge all ranged attacks as well. not every 2hr needs to be OMGINEEDZUBERDMGNOWZ!


Actually we are the only DD class that has a 2 hour that doesn't enhance DMG, even if you're one of the THF "is a support job focusing on hate guys" it's still worthless, the other support jobs' two hours increase damage just indirectly. (Wild Card and Soul Voice are win.) Perfect Dodge is.. Well, I haven't used it in years really, as flee serves the same purpose 98% of the time. Pulling - Log off on the gears in SSR is it, and a fanatic's drink is MILES better than PD.

SE themselves mentioned PD was worthless and needed fixing in Vanafest 2005 or 2006.
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#73 Jul 20 2010 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Actually we are the only DD class that has a 2 hour that doesn't enhance DMG, even if you're one of the THF "is a support job focusing on hate guys" it's still worthless, the other support jobs' two hours increase damage just indirectly. (Wild Card and Soul Voice are win.) Perfect Dodge is.. Well, I haven't used it in years really, as flee serves the same purpose 98% of the time. Pulling - Log off on the gears in SSR is it, and a fanatic's drink is MILES better than PD.


Actually, blood weapon just keeps the dark knight from dying. It's like drain samba; it does no damage.

However, don't get me wrong. I also agree that perfect dodge needs some tweaking.
#74 Jul 20 2010 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
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Actually we are the only DD class that has a 2 hour that doesn't enhance DMG, even if you're one of the THF "is a support job focusing on hate guys" it's still worthless, the other support jobs' two hours increase damage just indirectly. (Wild Card and Soul Voice are win.) Perfect Dodge is.. Well, I haven't used it in years really, as flee serves the same purpose 98% of the time. Pulling - Log off on the gears in SSR is it, and a fanatic's drink is MILES better than PD.


Actually, blood weapon just keeps the dark knight from dying. It's like drain samba; it does no damage.

However, don't get me wrong. I also agree that perfect dodge needs some tweaking.


It also allows the effective use of a multi-hit weapon with souleater, so I'm not sure I'd put it anywhere near Blood Weapon, though yeah, I forgot about that one.
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#75 Jul 27 2010 at 8:18 AM Rating: Default
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hows about a 2hour that in certain situations lowers dmg eh?

Mnk/sam with staff with 2xmarch hasso and haste and haste samba.

Using hundred fists would lower you from 80% haste to 74% haste, thereby lowering your dmg.
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#76 Jul 27 2010 at 8:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh, despoil is fail, steal is also fail, went to Caederva mire to try steal some lesser chigoes, after 10 fails i gave up. (10 fails of steal with +7 steal gear)
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#77 Jul 27 2010 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Annalise wrote:
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Actually we are the only DD class that has a 2 hour that doesn't enhance DMG, even if you're one of the THF "is a support job focusing on hate guys" it's still worthless, the other support jobs' two hours increase damage just indirectly. (Wild Card and Soul Voice are win.) Perfect Dodge is.. Well, I haven't used it in years really, as flee serves the same purpose 98% of the time. Pulling - Log off on the gears in SSR is it, and a fanatic's drink is MILES better than PD.


Actually, blood weapon just keeps the dark knight from dying. It's like drain samba; it does no damage.

However, don't get me wrong. I also agree that perfect dodge needs some tweaking.

Numbers are hypothetical, but they should get my point across

DRK With MKris + Souleater + 2 whm's curebombinb
200
180
162
150
140
200
180
162
200
180
162
150
140
200
180


DRK with MKris + Souleater + Bloodweapon
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200
200


Note the difference?


I just dislike how PD is basically a gimped invincible. Invincible blocks all physical damage, ranged and melee...enspell's can still proc, but unless you're fighting sky gods, who cares, most of the time theyre like 10 dmg. PD blocks melee strikes, at the expense of ranged still landing....hooray we can dodge sky gods en-dmg.

TBH if they modded PD, I'd be content with an ambush style attack boost. I'd say "FULL CRITS", but I think wars would get piss at us.

Edited, Jul 28th 2010 12:15am by BFMV
#78 Jul 28 2010 at 4:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Despoil should steal TP and land a Plague effect.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#79 Jul 28 2010 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Despoil should steal TP and land a Plague effect.

lol I see what you did there.
#80 Jul 28 2010 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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I'd be happy if despoil had a high probability of landing plague (like, aura steal probability). Tp steal would be a nice bonus. Leave the despoilable items in place, and just steal TP if there's no item to steal (most endgame targets).

So yeah, I agree with lobi.

Also, let us know if the affect lands or not -.-. 5 minute /ja with a proc rate ~5%, that's hilarious SE.
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#81 Jul 31 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Despoil is pretty god awful. I tried to make this crap proct but, I honestly feel Aura Steal was better off as something added to steal.
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#82 Aug 04 2010 at 6:43 AM Rating: Decent
I'm going to try Despoil out in Salvage tonight although I seriously doubt it will accomplish anything. Even if I could get a cell with it, it's reliability is likely so low that it's not worth bothering with.
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