dagger progression 37+Follow

i looked in stickies but couldnt find anything up to date on this.

I'm picking up thf for a static and would like a little info on the dagger progression. I leveled thf to 50 on another character like 4 years ago and am a little rusty. For instance, back then, hornetneedle was a great weapon but ive hear lately that it isnt worth the time now. here are the major daggers up until 70*:

34 Federation Kukri Dmg: 15 Dly: 182 Attack: 7 Accuracy: 3
40 Marauder's Knife Dmg: 15 Dly: 195 DEX: 2 AGI: 2
43 Calveley's Dagger Damage: 14 Delay: 183 DEX: 3
46 Bone Knife +1 Dmg: 18 Dly: 190 Vs. Light: -5 Accuracy: 5 Attack: 5
48 Hornetneedle Dmg: 16 Dly: 150 DEX: 1 AGI: 1
50 Corsair's Knife Dmg: 21 Dly: 206 Attack: 10
51 Lust Dagger Dmg: 20 Dly: 201 STR: -1 DEX: -1 VIT: -1 AGI: 7 INT: -1 MND: -1 CHR: -1
56 Beetle knife+1 Dmg: 21 Dly:190 AGI: 2
58 Chicken Knife Dmg: 21 Dly: 176 Additional Effect: Flee
59 Darksteel Kukri +1 Dmg: 23 Dly: 194
65 Garuda's Dagger Damage: 19 Delay: 183 AGI: 3
68 Harpe Damage: 29 Delay: 210


*no mkris on there cause i cant afford it

so, at 37 ive still got 2 fed kukri. this is my assumption as to how i should progress.

37- fed kukri, fed kukri
40- AF1, fed kukri
46- bone+1, bone+1
50- cor knife, bone+1
58- chicken, cor knife
59- darksteel, chicken
65- darksteel, garuda's
68- harpe, garuda's
69- harpe, sirocco
72- blau, sirocco

is this close to correct? are the agi+ daggers like lust/beetle worth using? are the low delay daggers like hornetneedle worth using?

Viking shield is level 48. Very good shield if your party allows. If you are partying on colibri, i would not suggest /war however. They're too fast and hit too hard. Your Dot boost will be destroyed by the fact that you just took 600 damage to bring a colibri to camp.

Only real time I got my ass beat pulling lolibri on any job was when camping in the pathway near the leypoint (or when camping at the leypoint but needing to pull birds from said pathway), where some of your potential pulls are rather far away. Almost every other camp has the birds pretty much right there.

I was DRG (using a Lamiabane to pull, yeah, lol @ me if you like, Lamiabane is the sh*t) and therefore obviously didn't have shadows. Got beat up on the long pulls but I was dual boxing a PL so it wasn't any real problem in my case, although it would have been so without said PL. I doubt THF as non-/NIN would have fared significantly better.

I'm curious, why do you advocate /WAR at 60+? Do the benefits of Dual Wield lose their appeal over Double Attack and offhand bonuses?

oh how i woefully remember...


Just out of curiosity, and please /flame off, but what about matron's and stylet, the stylet seems pretty decent to me.

Edited, Oct 13th 2009 1:41pm by Aryden

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/war gives thf a MUCH bigger boost in damage post (60) Dancing Edge and Assassin than it does before.

Before 60 a Thf is using viper bite and stacking sata with it in most situations. Berserk does very little for viper bite because the WS already doubles your attack. Add to that you get an offhand hit with /nin and you will likely be seeing higher average SATAVB's with /nin than /war.

So then, pre 60 its just a comparison of

/NIN: 15% combined delay reduction for both daggers (which is nothing to sneeze at in terms of DoT), off hand stat bonuses, offhand hit for Viper bite....and significantly greater survivability.

/WAR: Potentially 25% Attack 60% of the time (Its actually not. There is no way you will ever have berserk up on 60% of your swings. There are too many things happening in a party for this to be possible. Especially if you are pulling). A lot of people argue this as a DoT argument in favor or /war....personally I don't see enough of a difference in DoT between the two pre-60 to warrant using /war and leaving yourself vulnerable without shadows.

Edit: An argument could be made here that if you are hitting for 0's or are over camping that /war will outperform /nin because of berserk.

My response to that usually is that neither one of those things are your sub job's fault. You are either over camping and should move, or your gear/food is lacking (in this case, if you are unwilling/unable to upgrade, I'm sure there are situations where /war will perform better for you).

After 60, Dancing Edge Gets a HUGE boost from Berserk, as does your solo TA and SA. After this time you will have Triple Attack and double attack as well so you will not be swinging AS slow as you were before.

I have had this out with a few people, but I have never seen /war as a "clear winner" sub job until after 60.


Re Pink Bird Camps:

Almost every single one (Save a few pops in east ron (s)) is within a few steps of shooting distance from the exact spot you killed the last one. If you have a problem pulling birds.....I hate to see what you would have done pre ToA camps lol.

Edited, Oct 13th 2009 4:12pm by ThiefKiller

Edited, Oct 13th 2009 4:17pm by ThiefKiller