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#27 Jun 03 2004 at 11:52 PM Rating: Good
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Hi there,
yup coffer hunting is fun and safely done at about lv 45.

Was in Monastic with my first coffer. After using 3 skeleton keys and failing, i decided to use a living key instead. I am lv 47.

Out comes and mimic and i activate my panic macro.

I suggest hitting about Lv 50 before doing this becos the keys and powders and stuff cost gil and failing for 5 times with skeleton keys costs you 15k, all for getting 7-13k gil?

Definitely rated up for this wonderful post. Keep up the good work !
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#28 Jun 04 2004 at 4:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Alright I'll share some of my experiences

First of all I'm gonna say your own level really matters with coffer hunting. Where you will fail many times at lvl 50 in oztroja, you will succesfully pick many coffers at lvl 65 in oztroja.

lvl 43 is way too low to be picking coffers in high level area's like oztroja, monastic cavern etc.

I always use skeleton key, and I can confirm I popped some mimic at oztroja with them, although this rarely happens.

at lvl 67 I boughta a stack of living keys for fun, saw a coffer at boyahda tree and tried to open it.. 1st fail, 2nd mimic.. so yea right after I bought 2 more living keys from AH and sold the stack lol

1 last tip about the Treasure chests / coffers. Coffers require a higher level to get a good succesrate, than chests. With a skeleton good I have never failed to open a chest key at lvl40+. BUT you may wonder yourself if its really worth to spend 2.8k for a skeleton key on a chest which will most likely give you like 3k back

And 1 last thing about your AF, please get your AF in coffers at that level you can wear it (52 at monastic I think) and not earlier, unless u like to waste more money of fails and mimics ^^

Edited, Fri Jun 4 05:25:33 2004 by Pii
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#29 Jun 04 2004 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I would also reccommend bringing along a stack of antidotes while coffer hunting or at the minimum have your HP near mog house. If you are unfortunate enough to experience the joy of mimic's you'll soon find your life bar dwindling even if you have a panic macro ready. I am unsure of the duration of the poison but I can say that it removes 10hp / round. As far as success rates are concerned I've personnally spawned 4 mimics (3 Oztroje, 1 Monastic), had 4 breaks, and 1 success (monastic cavern) at level 53. For now I've given up on picking coffer's and will find a party to obtain coffer keys for the rest of my AF. Although I will try again post 60 and record my results.
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#30 Jun 04 2004 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Can someone tell me when a thf can pick a lock?
#31 Jun 04 2004 at 8:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Aeroteal wrote:
Can someone tell me when a thf can pick a lock?

your success will depend on your level, can you level off the mobs in that area, your attributes ex: dex and int. It's not been proven that dex or int effect your chance of picking the lock. The type of key/tool used will also effect your chance of success.

If you can't level off the mobs in that area then you could possibly pick the chest or coffer as many times as you like and never get a success.
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#32 Jun 04 2004 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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the first time i pick coffer is during AF gloves for old gauntlets in davoi, died once and another thf picked it T_T
went back a second time and found coffer within 15 mins, no one around so i picked it but not before wasting 2 keys
total: 3 keys old gauntlets found within 30 mins
i was lv 52 then
next coffer is castle oztroja at lv 55, took about 5-6 hours to find coffer becourse of other thf camping it, used 3 keys too
total: 3 keys AF legs found in 5-6 hours
last coffer is in castle zhuvile baileys <spelling>
found coffer within 15 mins lol, took only 1 key to open it, i was lv 57 then
total: 1 key AF body found in 15 mins

i only use skeleton keys becourse i dont like failing and since skeleton key have the best chance to open a coffer, y not use it? i only have so limited time per day to play, i dont wanna waste my time failing to pick coffer and returning to town when i spawn a mimic

since then, i nvr left jeuno w/o a stack of 12 skeleton keys hehe
oh yea, i like to add, level is a factor when opening coffer too, nowadays i only took 1-2 keys to open coffer at castle oztroja <lv 6x now>, i dunno if chr adds chance but i doubt it, i wear Full AF <minus the boots coz i cant get it> and a rabbit charm coz i steal gold coins too
btw picked 4 coffers 2night and found 2 rings :)

Edited, Fri Jun 4 13:26:41 2004 by Yuroko
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#33 Jun 04 2004 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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ok my stats of picking locks,

delfkutts tower: skeleton key: level 33
giddeus: thief tool: level 20

btw im now a thf44/nin20(i know i know, getting TH2 first)
#34 Jun 04 2004 at 4:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I have little coffer/chest experience, but I have formed a theory about each of the keys.
Here is a list of my experiences so far:
Ordells: 1 thief tools, 1 success.
Shakrami: 1 living key, 1 failure. 1 thief tool, 1 success.
Oztroja: 11 skeleton keys on 1 coffer, 11 failures, 1 death.

By far I think living keys are the worse key in the game for consistent successes. I wouldn't use them. Why? Because I believe that tehy have the highest failure percentage/mimic percentage. I've heard more horror stories about living keys-> mimic than i can remember. Most people believe that the keys all work the same, except that they have a different probability of opening a chest.
Something like:
Skeleton key: .8 prob
Living key: .7 prob
Thief tool: .6 prob

Yeah, I think that's total BS. I have my own theory, I believe that the different keys work in different ways.
Thief Tool: I believe thief tools are the standard tools used to open chests, and maybe coffers. I think thief tools can be used by an lvl of thf to open any chest/coffer, and I believe your chance of opening something is a set rate that never changes.
Living Key: I believe these are the high risk/high reward keys. In this game there are many things that are high rsk/high reward so why wouldn't lockpicking have something like this too. I believe that living keys have the lowest rate of success, the highest rate of mimics, but the best chance of getting a "high quality" item from a coffer. Like an astral ring in Oztroja instead of 9k gil etc.

Skeleton Key: I believe these are the best keys for highlvl thfs becuase I believe that these are the only keys that have a dex modifier on their success rate. So basiclly I think these are the best keys to use for High lvls, thief tools are best to use for moderate lvl thfs, and living keys are best to use if you're feeling lucky :).

That's my 2 cents on the topic, feel free to flame it, disregard it, follow it, love it, hate it, whatever makes you happy. Just sharing my thoughts that's all.
#35 Jun 05 2004 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Not sure if its true but someone told me that success with lock picking has to do with INT not dex, hence the int adds on the AF armor. Might be wrong tho.
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#36 Jun 05 2004 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Some say int is for steal^^. **** it probably something ridiculous like vitality is the modifier for lockpicking. **** you SE!!! :P

Btw, Hello Kitiva, long time no see! :). I'm Hajar of course on fairy, unless you're a diff kitiva on a diff server ;).
#37 Jun 07 2004 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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So far we seem to agree that these things effect your chances of picking a lock:

1. Difference between your level and the level of the mobs in the area/zone.
2. The type of key/tool that you use.

These things are rumored to effect your chances:

1. DEX
2. INT
3. Moon Phase
4. orientation relative to the coffer/chest (are you in front of the chest?)

Please feel free to run a test and see if any of the rumored things do indeed effect your chances.

Edited, Tue Jun 8 09:38:50 2004 by Rayel
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#38 Jun 07 2004 at 2:48 PM Rating: Decent
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It was mentioned earlier that this should become a sticky, I'm all for it, however... I'm not sure how to make it a sticky.

1. Would someone tell me how I might be able to make this a sticky?

2. Do you think this should be made a sticky?

We seem to get a lot of threads on chest/coffer picking, maybe this collection of data would give us one place to go in the future.
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#39 Jun 07 2004 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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While trying to pick the coffer in Davoi for my Rogue Gauntlets AF quest, I was trying to stand behind the coffer to avoid nearby aggro. I failed 5 times while standing there. No weakness, no mimic. Then I said ***** it and walked around to the front of the coffer, where I'd likely get aggro, and successfully picked it on my first attempt.

I believe that your orientation relative to the coffer/chest has something to do with the success of the pick.
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#40 Jun 07 2004 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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hmm
I might be wrong, but I dont think there is such thing as lvl cap

I picked coffers in Castle ortzoja, and never get a single mimic
I picked chest on Ordelle, and was trapped after 3rd key

my friend who is yet my opponent in Castle Ortzoja, picked a coffer and got mimic on first try
she is lv74 THF

so.... I'd just run towards a coffer and pick it whenever I see one, don't bother thinking whether I will fail or not
after all.. "risk" is a part of Thief's life ^.^
#41 Jun 08 2004 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I added this up at the top of the thread on the Tips, I'm listing the things we have no proof of so that we can eventually either prove they are correct or rule them out.

Rayel wrote:
So far we seem to agree that these things effect your chances of picking a lock:

1. Difference between your level and the level of the mobs in the area/zone.
2. The type of key/tool that you use.

These things are rumored to effect your chances:

1. DEX
2. INT
3. Moon Phase
4. orientation relative to the coffer/chest (are you in front of the chest?)

These things DO NOT effect your chances:

Please feel free to run a test and see if any of the rumored things do indeed effect your chances.

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#42 Jun 09 2004 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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Hello fellow thieves. I wanted to post my experience with the coffers at lev 47.
Now I reguraly go after chest for gil and what ever items I can find. I normaly bring 2 skeleton keys with me . Its been really rare that both keys of failed. Up to lev 45 I have been told and read that you have a better chance of opening a coffer at lev 50. So I decided to wait until then. Well while lev in Crawlers Nest I found a coffer chest. At his point in time I was (am) lev 47, but I did have 2 skeleton keys on me. After the party was over I decided to take a chance and pick the lock. Chest opened up and I recieved a hi-reraise potion which sells on my server (lakshmi) for 20k. Went back the next day with a 2 silent potions and my other skeleton key poped the chest again for 11883 gil. Do you have to wait until lev 50? No. Is it worth takeing a chance? For me it was. Now I have yet to try the coffers in Oztoja yet ...that is my next goal, and I will post what happens.
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Edited, Wed Jun 9 15:23:32 2004 by lenwegg
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#43 Jun 09 2004 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Great post lenwegg! you listed the place, level, and key so I added it to my list above ^.^

Let us know if you suceed at castle O. I'm level 45 at the moment, so, if you get it at 47 then I'll try again. Otherwise, I'm going to wait until level 50 before I try castle O.

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#44 Jun 10 2004 at 5:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Here to share my experience with coffers...

I have only used Thief's Tools

Monastic Cavern: lvl 50... 2 traps, 1 fail, success

Crawler's Nest: lvl 51... success first try

Castle Oztroja: lvl 52... 6 fails, success

Make your own conclusions... I'm too tired to think about it. ^^;
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#45 Jun 11 2004 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Only chests I've tried to pick were in Gusgen Mines and Ordelles (all for RSE). I only used Thieve's Tools, got each on the first try. For Ordelles, I was level 35, and for Gusgen, 38
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#46 Jun 11 2004 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Gusgen Mines Level 26 Thief Tools Tresure Chest
no idea if this would make a difereance but it was to get the RSE pattern
only took 1 tool to do it

Edited, Fri Jun 11 13:39:42 2004 by ShadowfireUS
#47 Jun 13 2004 at 9:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a question. If you sub THF, is the level that affects your lock picking ability your main level or your sub level? I suspect it's the sub, but just thought I'd get an official answer.
#48 Jun 14 2004 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Another data point: I (37 THF/NIN) opened a chest in Palborough today on the first try, using thief's tools. I'm sure the minimum level is much lower than 37, seeing as how nothing conned even EP to me, but there's nothing listed for Palborough at the moment, so... :)
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#49 Jun 14 2004 at 6:06 AM Rating: Decent
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More data for statistic purposes.
Went last night to Monastic Cavern to pick coffers for my AF gauntlets.
Found coffer, stood in front of it, used Thief's Tools, opened at the first try.
Looked around for another coffer, found it, stood in front of it, used Thief's Tools, opened at the first try, found a Fluorite.
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#50 Jun 14 2004 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I think the most important factors in picking locks is lvl and quality of tool your using. I use skeleton keys and never get weakness, and only gotten mimic a few times. I usually succeed in 1 key (the most I have had to use was four) and rarely get mimics (say 20 or so coffers and three mimics)
#51 Jun 14 2004 at 9:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Ah, I just remembered another thing.
A friend of mine tried the very same thing the night before (lockpicking Monastic Cavern's coffers). He's a Hume THF51/NIN25, and had these results:
Skeleton key - failed
Skeleton key - failed
Thief's tolls - success
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