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#1 Sep 25 2011 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Looked back a bit but couldn't find anything recent on this. I've not been a WHM seriously since 2006 and so much has changed. I love Aby-style WHM(I solo healed a worms party from 61-75, never rested).
My question is, where did you guys put your merits?

I figure Cure Cast is a no brainer. I also figured Pro/Shell V one point each is a solid. I'm stuck between Regen and Barspell(MDB sounds pretty good)... and then thinking if I should go 5/5 Shell V then 4 into Devotion?

Advice would be appreciated.
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#2 Sep 25 2011 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
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I use /sch almost exclusively, so I use the accessibility of Accession to eliminate the need for Protectra V, since it's just a couple points of DEF different.

Also, since HP values have gotten so high, I personally feel like Regen merits aren't anywhere near as useful as Barspell. Before Abyssea, a Regen 3 could reliably take you from yellow to white HP, but now even Regen 4 can't.
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#3 Sep 25 2011 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
I heard good things about Regen in Salvage and similar situations with minimal available refresh and constant low danger damage. But with merit points as easy to come by as they are, and how much salvage is still done, you could probably specifically max Regen merits out every time Salvage is even mentioned.
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#4 Sep 25 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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I feel that Orison Pantaloons +2 kind of take away from Regen also with a good cure potency set.

A 300 HP cure 3 in light arts will cost you 27 MP and give a 75 hp stoneskin in Solace (without AF3 body)

A 475 Regen 2 (full merits + cleric's body + orison mitts +2) will cost you 33 MP.

So up to 375 HP for 27 mp is 13.9 hp / mp (provided the skin gets used)

Up to 475 HP for 14.4 hp / mp (provided it isn't too much, and no one cures over it)

I used those two to try to make comparable numbers, but regen 1 is even more efficient (but so is say Cure V).

There isn't that big of a difference these days with the pants. I like the instant cures just to get it over with, because people usually cure over regens anyways.
#5 Sep 26 2011 at 10:48 AM Rating: Good
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I agree on regens. I used to be split between barspell & regen, but honestly even back at Lv75 the only place I truly appreciated my regen merits was Salvage.

Now at 95, I rarely use regen at all. Einherjar sometimes, and don't really do Salvage anymore. I'd say if you do a lot of Salvage, that's the only case I could see possibly doing regen merits anymore. Otherwise, 5/5 barspell all the way. In Salvage, Regen is indeed very nice because it's very efficient without any stats. All you need unlocked is magic, and merited Regen II will keep a tank alive through almost anything any of the first floors have to throw at you. Regen II / Haste everyone and you're free to rest until regen wears. Honestly though at 95, unmerited regens might be enough for that.
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#6 Sep 26 2011 at 2:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Get Barspell merits.

Regens, much like Stoneskin (not Cureskin, which is indeed very nice), have fallen to obscurity in Abyssea. HP has scaled up but these spells haven't scaled up (enough) along with it.

I got 1 into Protectra+Martyr and 3 into Devotion because I at least wanted to have those other abilities available. I hardly ever use Devotion anymore anyways. I'd imagine it might be used more in Voidwatch, which I don't do.

Edited, Sep 26th 2011 4:46pm by Fynlar
#7 Sep 26 2011 at 11:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for replies. Now that I have Allure I'm running Allure + MM + Full Moon (15mp/tic, 30% MP, 30MND, lots of -enmity). Basically when my Nin friend tanks I spammed Cure V every time he hit 80% or less (overcures, but who cares?) MP never ever dipped below 1.1k and we rofl'd NM's even as a 75WHM an Regen was not worth casting.

I'd love some advice on if there's better Atma as well aside from the Dyna Xarc one(not within my reach).

So far, WHM seems crazy fun with tons of MND and Cure Potency to get!
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#8 Sep 27 2011 at 12:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Pretty much always use MM and Ambition on WHM, unless I'm **** around or skilling up or something.

There are NMs in Abyssea for which you'll really want every bit of Refresh you can get. In those cases, I'd be using Full Moon for the third atma, for a total of 20/tic from atma. This is my standard setup.

If I definitely don't need that much Refresh, I tend to use Apoc for the third atma so that I never have to worry about Reraise being down. If it's a fight where the WHM stands a good chance of dying multiple times for whatever reason, this is a definite pick. You really don't want to have to take an extra 10 seconds every time you die to RR yourself again, and guaranteed permanent RR on your WHM is just a good thing to have in general.

Rescuer is a decent stopgap atma if you haven't maxed Cure potency on your gear yet. If you have, it kinda loses some of its luster.

I personally never use Allure on WHM, although like Rescuer it is a decent stopgap atma for newcomers until they get more Refresh atma. Refresh > max MP, the MND doesn't do THAT much (maxing Cure potency is far more important), and if you're abusing Cure 5/6 like you should be, your enmity will never get very high. Note that MM already has some -enmity on it, to boot.

Edited, Sep 27th 2011 2:58am by Fynlar
#9 Sep 27 2011 at 11:05 AM Rating: Good
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Minikin is pretty much a given, use that one always. Ambition is a great one as well, which I believe comes from the Shantotto add-on.

Another really good WHM atma is Undying, which is annoying to get but well worth it. It adds MND+50 as well as some Conserve MP, much better than Allure's MND+30.

The other two I use the most are Merciless Matriarch for magic accuracy when I'm having trouble with enfeebs, and Future Fabulous for MDB when I'm taking a lot of magic damage (Azdaja comes to mind).
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Allure's draw isn't the MP to me, but the major -enmity, which is a great keep-alive on mobs with hate reset. I use Allure on Ulhuadshi, for example.
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#11 Oct 01 2011 at 10:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly as long as you're using minikin you can use whatever other two atmas you like. I've been using MM/Rescuer/Apoc , but as im getting more cure pot I could probably switch out rescuer ( I haven't been to abyssea in a while other than to xp). It doesn't really make a huge difference as long as you have minikin. If you don't have alot of +2 i would probably go with another refresh atma. Apoc is my personal preference because I don't have to worry about RR and quickcast / TA are always nice. Also if you can't get rescuer and are low on cure pot there is another atma called Atma of Harmony which gives 10% cure pot and 10 enhancing skill.
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Allure's draw isn't the MP to me, but the major -enmity, which is a great keep-alive on mobs with hate reset. I use Allure on Ulhuadshi, for example.


Ignoring the fact that WHMs shouldn't accrue much hate on it anyway, Ulhuadshi doesn't even have any hate reset move. Are you thinking of something else? >_>
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Enmity down cap is -50, and Minikin gives more than half of that. Assuming you have -5 from merits, you're only 15 points from cap with just Minikin. Odds are you are getting most of that from equipment without even trying. For example I use Verse Strap +1, Orison Cape, Orison Earring, Tamas Ring, Marduk's Crackows, White Tathlum, Fylgja+1, and Pythia+1 in my Cures. That's Enmity-25 right there from equipment. Add 5 from merits and 30 from Minikin, and I'm actually 10 points over the enmity down cap with just Minikin atma. (It's because I don't use different equipment inside Abyssea, so I have extra enmity down for outside Abyssea. Otherwise I'd swap the White Tathlum for Aqua Sachet but it's just not worth it for 2 MND that I only get inside Abyssea.)

I understand most people don't have "ideal" equipment but I'm 10 points over cap, and that's not even considering the fact that you don't need anywhere near capped enmity down but I won't even start down that road cuz you all know how I get...
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#14 Oct 03 2011 at 5:47 PM Rating: Good
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I thought minikin was only -10 enmity.
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I also certainly don't have enmity down merits...

And sure, Ulhuadshi has a hate reset move. It's called "kill the tank when the WHM takes her eyes off him for two seconds." Smiley: lol
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#16 Oct 03 2011 at 6:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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IMO, the fact that people don't even seem to know how much -enmity Minikin gives (I've seen various sources claim -10, -20, and -30) is sort of a testament of how unimportant it really is in Abyssea. I'm not sure most people here even realize how little hate a WHM will get by abusing Cure 5/6 compared to the rest of the Abyssea-supercharged party, unless said rest of the party specializes in sucking **** and taking far more damage than they're capable of dishing out.
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It's allure which gives - 30 I think.
#18 Oct 15 2011 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I also certainly don't have enmity down merits...

And sure, Ulhuadshi has a hate reset move. It's called "kill the tank when the WHM takes her eyes off him for two seconds." Smiley: lol


Tank shouldn't be dying to Ulhuadshi until at least THREE second! And the WHM should be able to cure tank or kite (especially until hate is pulled).

Personally I enjoy MM, Undying, and Ambition. I find Allure largely useless and a filler for lack of Undying.

As for the merit side of this thread, never merit Protectra 5 and there is not much you can go wrong with.
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